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A lot of shit for Christensen for the goal which I do think is warranted as he should have gotten up for but does nobody think Mendy could have done a lot better for El Ghazi’s goal? Through his legs? Surely? I know El Ghazi is hardly that far out and he’s hardly got a lot of power on it either so I would of thought the GK would of done better? No?

Some cracking goals by Leeds tonight v WBA. Would Bielsa come here and manage us if it came to it 😉?

I didnt mention signing him. I specifically said I doubt we would sign him. Just his ruthless mentality is something this squad misses. Maybe he will get that China move now... money wont be the same though. Then theres Cavani at United who has 5 PL goal involvements in 9 PL matches. I think Costa is done more or less at top top clubs but its not always a cert although I do think he wont get another club like us or Atletico. Thiago Silva is another case here looks very well and playing at a very consistent standard for his age.

I agree in a way but if there is one thing this squad lacks it is a more abrasive, nastier win at all costs attitude that Costa displayed in games for us here under Jose. Also the way he got in Seamus Coleman’s after he scored an OG in that 6-3 game to taunt him, I loved that. Just as Mourinho would also wind people up prior to a game. Also before we got him from Atletico he was one of the only CFs who would go toe to toe with Ramos in every game, who is a nasty cunt, with the same win at all costs mentality. We talk about good character and troublemakers but was he really not a good character or a troublemaker? Ok on the pitch he would go at times but you could argue we have too many boys and not enough men, so to speak. Not expecting to see Mason, Tammy, Timo, Kai or that getting up in someones face about something or giving other boys in the team a kick up the arse. Or as if Frank is going to do anything more than sit with his arms folded. Think hes only ever overstepped (well maybe not overstepped but regretted it was heard on tv as he put it) once and was when he told Klopp or his staff to fuck off. We lack this sort of win at all costs mentality. If Diego could keep it to the point where it gives him that edge and that extra bit of performance, as we seen in that period he was here, he would be an incredible player. Obviously his age now he’s slowing down a lot so doubt we’d go for him but the troublemaker and good character thing, I don’t think he was any of that away from the pitch or in the dressing room. Ok he wanted to leave the previous season and didn’t return the following summer but Conte also pushed him to that with that daft text message. Worked out okay in the end of the fee we got etc but not as if Morata, Higuain, Giroud or Abraham fully improved or have done than him.

Tbf I still think Sarri with these attacking players such as Havertz, Werner, Ziyech, even guys like Mount would have us doing a lot lot better than Frank does just now. It never felt like we were a million miles away we just lacked something extra in attack and midfield in terms of being creative. I think the likes of Havertz and Ziyech would of been so much better suited than Hazard and Willian tbf. Even then, at least you seen the teams identity with Sarri and there was a clear style of play. Just lacked some players to make it work. Hazard was a world class player but never in the same mould as Insigne or Callejon. Willian the same. Pedro was more similar to Callejon which is why he scored all those goals. Probably similar to why Juventus struggled in attack also because Ronaldo and Dybala are more individualistic players than team players. I know Juventus sacked him but Juventus are still far from a much improved or better side. They had/still have ageing players and changing that squad to play in Sarri’s system and his sort of high energy high pressing football was always going to be difficult. Hence why even with Pirlo now your still seeing Juventus do well one game then struggle the next because he is trying to also change them in a way to suit his philosophy. They’ve dropped points at teams you would expect them to win at. Atalanta, Fiorentina, Lazio, Roma, Verona, Benevento....

Yet many thought Atletico was a very good draw. Said it at the time they will have seen our game plan and tactics of fullbacks crossing and been happy as thats their bread and butter, going narrow and defending crosses. Yet many thought na we will be fine.

We are 6th on 26 points after spending 200m on top quality players. 7 wins 5 draws 4 losses. Looks ok until you realise Villa and United have played less games than us and are above us. Tottenham, Man City and Southampton have played less games than us and will likely leapfrog us by the time they catch up. This is the tipping point of the season, for me he has to go and soon if we want to get any chance of making top 4 yet alone pushing for an improvement on last seasons position. If it were any other manager and it would not be acceptable to be outside top 4 with these group of players and to also be sitting wondering how are we going to score goals or create chances.

Hopefully Lampards last game. Piss poor. Dont believe we will finish top 4 with him at all.

More to management than purely recruiting well. Having good players is all well and good but if your team plays predictable football which is orientated around your fullbacks crossing and nothing else, you will come unstuck, I dont care if the name is Frank Lampard, Sir Alex Ferguson or Pep Guardiola. Even more so with quality players such as Ziyech, Pulisic, Werner, Havertz which we have. The last 2 who look an absolute shadow of the players they were last season in his system. Not completely sold on Tuchel, decent manager but stubborn and abrasive if he doesn’t get his own way. Left Mainz on bad terms. Sackes from Dortmund after being on bad terms with key figures at the club and now has left PSG on bad terms after taking shots at Leonardo.

His failure to adapt his tactics and abrasive nature would be a disaster here. Worse than Conte was. He’s an decent coach yes and ok he won in France, he reached a CL final but a team with Mbappe, Di Maria, Neymar, Icardi, Thiago Silva, Marquinhos... that sort of calibre, that should be the expectation every season. Not celebrated as if it was a major achievement.

Was same last season with Mason and Tammy when they were playing poorly and it only led to folk on here slaughtering them to the death despite the fact they’d probably played about 17 games in a row.

Try tell that to Leeds, Man City, Liverpool, Bayern and countless other teams around Europe who press well. We pressed much much better under Sarri. And you could see what we were trying to do with the ball. Now we are very much a if the fullbacks cant do anything we are fucked side. Pressing is coached. Nothing to do with the players being good at it or not. Look at Aguero at City when Pep came in, considered lazy but a world class player. Look at the difference in him now over last few seasons without the ball. Sterling too. Also whoever posted Allegri did shit at Milan but they want Simeone here? Please. Allegri every day of the week. Simeone good coach no doubt but the squads not mentally tough enough for someone like him.

Come on man its no coincidence he misses a penalty and the get out shit starts 🤣 its a typical knee jerk reaction because of a penalty and its very embarrassing. If you cant see that then I don’t know. Nobody had posted anything in this thread between the West Ham game which was the Monday and the 17th of November. Which further backs my point because he didnt play in many of the games in between. It is an embarrassing overreaction because of a penalty miss in which there were easily 7/8 players who I would think people should be going off on their threads and commenting regarding their performances or whatever. But here we are.

Rarely changes a game when he comes on, lets be honest if your going to tag him with that today especially, that is lazy and is precisely what I am on about in the above comment, instead of people mentioning the guys who started and were horrendous/have been the last month or so, they will come back to player X who isn’t a regular started in all realism isnt good enough. If he played every week I would get it but he doesn’t. If you were expecting anyone in our squad to change that game today you must of been dreaming. We gifted that to Arsenal and you could tell after the first 5-10 minutes how it would pan out. I am wondering if we are ever going to see Werner or Havertz score a goal in the upcoming games. Am actually wondering if Havertz will even be back starting at this rate. Yet people are more concerned because Jorginho who played 45 minutes missed a penalty....

Probably here saying he played shit. If someone plays shit they play shit. But we played Arsenal tonight not West Ham? Just a bit ironic if he never took the penalty or even if he scored it, those get out comments wouldn’t be mentioned... its funny though he played 45 minutes and only had one memorable involvement in the game with the pen but his all round performance was definitely better than Kante’s and Kovacic’s in MF and better than most. Yet I dont see much in Reece’s thread, Ben’s thread, Mateo’s thread, Timo’s thread.... all who were piss poor tonight. Not much mention. The get out comments in a season where he’s largely been out of the side as well? It is very embarrassing if I am honest 😂

Would say I am surprised by this thread but I am not. Yes he missed a penalty but when he came on he was better than Mateo by a country mile. Wasnt difficult but it’s embarrassing saying ‘get him out’ etc because he missed a penalty in a game where we were shocking 😂

You’d think he was a championship manager reading this. His style may not be the most attractive but even then its hardly that bad. The one thing that is never mentioned regarding Allegri is his tactical flexibility. Juventus played 352 under Conte for 3 seasons after a brief go with 442. Under Allegri they played 352, 433, 442, 4231. He lost guys such as Vidal, Pogba, Pirlo and rebuilt their team with some very good players. I suppose the younger and talented players he had during his tenure at Juve such as Dybala, Pogba, Kean, Coman, Morata, Bentancur, all struggled under him and he limited them as players?? Behave.

Honestly, Klopp said we were title contenders basically and since then we have crumbled. Not purely just on Frank’s head but with a much better squad than last season and new players such as Thiago Silva, Werner and Havertz to be this bad and miles off it. Its bad. If hes still in charge next season I would be surprised.

Wow. Embarrassing. Relegation candidates strolling it.

This aged well. Doing well for Bayern. Hats off to the guy.

If we don’t beat these hopeless cunts, players need a long hard look at themselves. They are one of the most out of form teams in Europe never mind the PL. I get it wont be as simple as show up and just win but surely to fuck we must go out and get a result here. Not winning here right now would be the equivalent of losing to like a relegation candidate side and thats not even a joke they are so poor just now.

Agree with everything bar Werner, he’s had plenty of chances even playing from the left. Its been poor finishing as opposed to his positioning some times. He had the chance v West Ham from Pulisic hits it straight at Fabianski which for me a player of his quality should be scoring, the one he hits the bar again okay maybe unlucky but again you’d expect him to score 9/10 times because of his quality and that shouldn’t even be debated. Hes also missed big chances a player of his quality should do much better with against v West Brom, Newcastle, Rennes, Liverpool and Leeds off the top of my head this season. Unfortunately he has always had a big amount of big chances missed throughout his career but as he has progressed from the 2nd Bundesliga to Bundesliga to the PL and his time as an international player for Germany you’d expect that to improve because the higher the level you play the higher the stakes and the less likely you are to get big numbers of chances. I do agree as a CF he maybe will score more goals or get better chances but he’s still had huge chances playing off the left and missed them and this is becoming a recurring theme. You would be lying if you said it was purely positioning as to why hes not playing well or scoring goals. I know he’s not a out and out winger but hes still playing poorly and missing chances a player of his calibre should be scoring.

Not just that. Its the criticism these guys got who were undoubtedly top/very good players for years on end and maybe had the odd poor period when they started slowing down although people clearly thought they could be a top player all their career and never slow down (or at least hold them to that standard). Guys like Malouda, Ivanovic, Cahill (he is in there for me what he did for us for a £7m player from Bolton was excellent), as well as the obvious ones such as Terry, Drogba, Lampard, Cole, Cech throughout their spells here. Even then others, who werent as good but still decent players like Mikel and Kalou, guys who weren’t ever gonna be on the same level or even half the level as some of these others guys but guys who were good servants and solid players who gave a lot, instantly dismissed and undervalued, despite respectable numbers of trophies and the big big matches they started in. What some of these guys did will never be beaten. Re Drogba: I dont think people will ever understand how good Drogba was though, like he is a PL all time great. Obviously football has moved on from his style of CF but if you didnt get to see him on the flesh or at the time on sky etc when he played youll never appreciate him as a player.

Quite a poor performance again I thought. Without Pulisic and Mount we would have struggled. Werner although playing on the left still has to do much much better. £52m. Need much more. Cant say that the few chances he had tonight and in other games that were missed were due to his positioning, just poor finishing. For all the money spent this summer we still haven’t progressed hugely imo. Well not exaclty true, we have defensively but offensively, its not good, its been disappointing. Ok missing Ziyech is big but Havertz has been a dud so far really, Werner has been pretty bad last while, Pulisic has barely been fit to play every week.

Cant believe he’s even passed that to Ronaldo first and foremost. Just stick it in the fucking net. You play for Juventus not Ronaldo. Embarrassing.