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NOOOOO.. Nope, still don't get it

Sorry, it's not us, it Syria. You'll have to ask @ if you want to get your hands on the tapes

Apparently the card was for the initial foul. At least, that's what the mail said. The rules are stupid and it is unfair, but again, that does not excuse Torres's action and he can have no complains if he does get a ban.

I agree in principle, it is not fair. But the ref saw Vertongen take the Villa players short off while Mike Dean did not see Torres scratch Vertongen so the FA will have to look into the Torres incident and not the Vertongen case. There is also no retrospective punishment for dives so Vertongen gets away with his play acting. It's not fair, but it's the rules. But all that would have been irrelevant if Torres didn't raise his hands to Vertongen's face.

Yeah, Steaua is the weakest team in the group and we absolutely MUST get the 3 points after the home defeat if we want to finish first.

This isn't boxing! It's not 4 it's 3 plus the one match suspension he already has for 2 yellow cards.

Let's try a picture since you don't seem to actually be reading what everyone is writing: That is violent conduct and therefor a 3 match ban. You are right, though, he should not have been given a second yellow card, but it is FA rules that you cannot appeal yellow cards. It has nothing to do with Chelsea or united. It's the rules.

Wrong incident. You're talking about the one where he got wrongly the second yellow. The incident where he might get a 3 match ban for is the one where he scratched Vertongen's face after the ref had blown for a foul at the start of the second half. But the two are not related. He will get a one match ban for getting two yellows. We can't appeal that, even if it was the wrong call. The one that he might get 3 extra matches for is the scratch that the ref says he didn't see. So the FA steps in and if they decide it was violent conduct, he directly gets a 3 match ban unless they decide it merits more. I don't think a two match ban is an option.

It would be 3 + the one that he already has for the 2 yellow cards he got. He intentionally put his hand in an opponents face and scratched him. It is not fair when you consider the whole events, but he really can't have any complaints once he does that.

I agree. But that's not reason to stop the debate, nor is it what makes it futile. It's the internet, you'll always have someone who cares more about being proven right than anything else in the world, you just have to ignore it if it annoys you.

Can't really complain if he does get a 4-match ban, it was a stupid thing to do.

Of course it is, this a football forum, all debates are futile, none of what anyone says here will ever effect what the club actually does. That kinda goes without saying...

And being above both Manchester clubs while already playing united, Everton and Tottenham away is not bad at all.

Your world, not mine.

What the US gets from this is the security of Israel. Al Asad is the last Arabic regime that supports the Palestinian cause. Syria is also where Hizboullah get all their weapons through. Ending the Asad regime isolates Iran and basically ensures that no Palestinian would ever get their land back or that anyone ever questions Israel's "right" to occupy Palestine.

I wouldn't be too sure, Frank played 90 minutes at WHL, so Mikel will be fresher. He also seemed to pick up a knock right at the end.

It's not that Boolean though. It's not either the current world or Utopia. You can make improvements that can go a long way without really going against the human nature. And it's not just human nature that causes the huge financial gap, capitalism plays a huge part in that. Instead of system that encourages the widening of the gap, you can have a system that decreases the gap. I don't think anyone expects to change human nature, but just start with the small things like don't leave the water running needlessly when people are dying because they don't have water, don't waste food when starvation is the biggest humanitarian issue in the world, use paper bags instead of plastic ones...etc If I, a university student who doesn't work, can donate something like $5-10 per month to the poor or the orphans, then why can't multi-billion dollar companies donate 0.1% of their profit? Equality and harmony are ideals that will never happen, but that should never mean that you should settle for their opposites.

Yeah, that's right. There was a pic of him from training a couple of days ago. Doesn't necessarily mean he's 100% fit though. On any account, he was originally supposed to be out for only 1 month.

He had to start 100% of the meaningful games before. Marco was in no way ready to play any big game unless we had injuries and were forced to play him.

No return date according to physioroom

Torres had one stupid moment. Vertongen was an absolute cunt all match. Actually I watched their match against Villa, so make that all week.

He wasn't bad yesterday. He wasn't great but he wasn't bad. But the problem is, as you eluded to, we expect great from Eden because we know he can deliver.

Right...come back when he starts again vs Steaua

Traitor!

Vertongen went down when he thought that the ball had got away from him and even if Fernando did touch him, he over exaggerated.