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That's the treasure of Europe apparently. I will say it again, Oscar is by far the most overrated player in the EPL and possibly Europe.

What's pathetic is yanking the joy and entertainment out of football all in the name of winning at all cost and reducing a sport that is just as much about entertainment as it is about being competitive to just winning.
I will always respect teams who do not sacrifice their integrity, identity and genuine love for the game, are able to combine entertainment with success (winning with style) infinitely more than those on the other side of the spectrum.
As for your other point History remembers the revolutionary rinus Michels and his Netherland team of the 70's, 1982 Brazil and they never won anything. The zidane galatico team are also well respected despite underachieving massively, success wise.
I'm not even advocating seeking to entertain at the detriment of winning but the notion that achieving the right balance between the two is some impossible mission and a little poor us cannot strike the balance is nonsensical at best. To those that always hold this view, How could you all possibly know that we wouldn't have won the big games we either won,lost or drew in the past if we had played an attacking and pressing game?.
It's crazy how most people have been brainwashed into thinking winning and playing good attacking football are mutually exclusive. No matter how hard it may seem, the ultimate target/goal should always be to strike the perfect balance between entertaining and winning and we certainly aren't working towards achieving such feat under Jose.

The pass at 2.48 is ridiculous. I'm so glad he's finally adding productivity to his game. Happy for him.

no some obviously value trophies above all else ,, seems you are in that group , ENJOY

Absolutely this. All the teams he's managed since leaving porto have been public enemy number one from chelsea to inter to madrid. To further buttress your point on the impact a manager can have on the popularity of a team. Our popularity was the highest it's been in the Roman era under Ancelotti. even despite winning the double (The theory is always they hate us because of our success) most neutral fans and even some bitter rivals found us much more likeable and the media and FA significantly eased up on their "bias" at the time.

Actually I want to feel proud of the Club I have supported in good times and bad for over 30 years . Under Mourinho I feel constantly ashamed. Some fans want trophies at any price.
I would rather have our pride and dignity back ..

At least Aguero managed to score a hattrick against a quality team like Bayern....Costa has been almost non-existent in the Champions league with Chelsea

Absolutely this. All the teams he's managed since leaving porto have been public enemy number one from chelsea to inter to madrid. To further buttress your point on the impact a manager can have on the popularity of a team. Our popularity was the highest it's been in the Roman era under Ancelotti. even despite winning the double (The theory is always they hate us because of our success) most neutral fans and even some bitter rivals found us much more likeable and the media and FA significantly eased up on their "bias" at the time.

Absolutely this. All the teams he's managed since leaving porto have been public enemy number one from chelsea to inter to madrid. To further buttress your point on the impact a manager can have on the popularity of a team. Our popularity was the highest it's been in the Roman era under Ancelotti. even despite winning the double (The theory is always they hate us because of our success) most neutral fans and even some bitter rivals found us much more likeable and the media and FA significantly eased up on their "bias" at the time.

And mourinho has also gotten away with a few of his own. Even if the system was imperfect (which it is, just like any other systems really) An intelligent, professional and responsible manager would do everything possible to avoid giving the FA ammunition to punish him and his team. What made his controversial remark bizzare is that it wasn't even a remotely legitimate shout (That was never a penalty i a million years but ironically Southampton had two legitimate pens denied) If you are going to criticize the authorities atleast make sure you have a solid case.

Ofcourse this is the type of response I expected. biased to the core. Apparently the English FA, Spanish and Italian media and FA all have an agenda against him and his teams. It's just so happens that the controversy that seems to follow him around every club he goes are not his fault and the whole world are out to get poor old jose.

It's time he takes a hard look at himself in the mirror and start taking responsibilities for his actions (if he's ever capable of that). All things considered, he's actually gotten away with quite a few professional misconduct since he arrived, many jabs at referees and opposition managers and players that haven't been punished. Majority of his senseless rants about "conspiracy against chelsea" were ignored as well. And the gullible people that have fallen for the "He's doing it and saying it to take pressure off his players" "classic jose mind games" (as if that's a justification for being controversial and unprofessional) do not help matters either.

And mourinho has also gotten away with a few of his own. Even if the system was imperfect (which it is, just like any other systems really) An intelligent, professional and responsible manager would do everything possible to avoid giving the FA ammunition to punish him and his team. What made his controversial remark bizzare is that it wasn't even a remotely legitimate shout (That was never a penalty i a million years but ironically Southampton had two legitimate pens denied) If you are going to criticize the authorities atleast make sure you have a solid case.

And mourinho has also gotten away with a few of his own. Even if the system was imperfect (which it is, just like any other systems really) An intelligent, professional and responsible manager would do everything possible to avoid giving the FA ammunition to punish him and his team. What made his controversial remark bizzare is that it wasn't even a remotely legitimate shout (That was never a penalty i a million years but ironically Southampton had two legitimate pens denied) If you are going to criticize the authorities atleast make sure you have a solid case.

Ofcourse this is the type of response I expected. biased to the core. Apparently the English FA, Spanish and Italian media and FA all have an agenda against him and his teams. It's just so happens that the controversy that seems to follow him around every club he goes are not his fault and the whole world are out to get poor old jose.

It's time he takes a hard look at himself in the mirror and start taking responsibilities for his actions (if he's ever capable of that). All things considered, he's actually gotten away with quite a few professional misconduct since he arrived, many jabs at referees and opposition managers and players that haven't been punished. Majority of his senseless rants about "conspiracy against chelsea" were ignored as well. And the gullible people that have fallen for the "He's doing it and saying it to take pressure off his players" "classic jose mind games" (as if that's a justification for being controversial and unprofessional) do not help matters either.

The pass at 2.48 is ridiculous. I'm so glad he's finally adding productivity to his game. Happy for him.

Willian Borges vs Venezuela (Home) 14/10/2015



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK59yN5c1YQ

The myth that Costa has a good allround play is one of those things that actually baffles me. I watch every chelsea games and see Costa busy wasting possession and generally looking like a semi pro on the ball majority of the time then I come on the forum and see comments like "His link up and hold up play is excellent" " He's one of the best strikers in the world" and I say to myself, are we watching the same games?.
I still maintain that Costa is nothing more than a glorified, scary looking Huntelar/chicharito. A decent goal poacher and nothing more.

Use your head. It is not rocket science is it? You said Lukaku will never make it at a big club because he is scared of competition. Mourinho said the same thing about KDB and that he wanted guaranteed first team football and accused him of "crying" etc, but even though he was supposedly 'scared of competition', he is now at City who are a big club and if Aguero and Silva stay fit, think they will win the league. So KDB according to Mourinho did not want to fight for his place yet he is at a big club now so it does disprove your point. KDB left us to go to a smaller club and has now got himself back at a club on our level and right now quite a lot better than us.
Lukaku could easily follow the same route if he keeps on scoring goals. That is an inconclusive assumption you have come up with to suggest Lukaku will not make it at a big club because he is 'scared of competition'.

dude, even i have stopped arguing with him.
i mean someone who thinks aguero and costa are on the same level. or lewa and costa are on the same level. or that costa is the 2nd best striker in the world.
or that kdb is so and so and so...
i mean the amount of garbage said, the amount of fake stats put in by just that one poster is actually incredible. i mean not everyone can do it.

The myth that Costa has a good allround play is one of those things that actually baffles me. I watch every chelsea games and see Costa busy wasting possession and generally looking like a semi pro on the ball majority of the time then I come on the forum and see comments like "His link up and hold up play is excellent" " He's one of the best strikers in the world" and I say to myself, are we watching the same games?.
I still maintain that Costa is nothing more than a glorified, scary looking Huntelar/chicharito. A decent goal poacher and nothing more.

The myth that Costa has a good allround play is one of those things that actually baffles me. I watch every chelsea games and see Costa busy wasting possession and generally looking like a semi pro on the ball majority of the time then I come on the forum and see comments like "His link up and hold up play is excellent" " He's one of the best strikers in the world" and I say to myself, are we watching the same games?.
I still maintain that Costa is nothing more than a glorified, scary looking Huntelar/chicharito. A decent goal poacher and nothing more.

A good striker adapts himself to a team. Yeah, they might not suit him but you can't really give that excuse when other strikers like Paco have been scoring for them when given a chance. To use yesterday's game to say Lukaku is not good with better teams is just ridiculous. Maybe I should say the same about Belgium then that their style of play don't suit Lukaku LOL. Lukaku has been on fire last season but there are a minority on here who will wait for him to have a poor game to crucify him but when he continues to prove people wrong like he will keep doing, the same old excuse of it is because he is at a club with lower expectations will come to the fore again.

I don't know where this myth that carlo is anti youth came from. He was very pro youth at Chelsea and madrid, giving respectable opportunities to players like Josh, Sturridge,kakuta,Jese,Morata. And what do you mean by the highlighted? I hope you are not trying to imply Carlo plays the same style or poorer football than mourinho because that will be a shocking opinion and no neutral fan who have any knowledge about football will ever agree with that as carlo's teams are more attacking and better coached offensively than Mourinho's teams (well the current version of mourinho anyway).

I don't know where this myth that carlo is anti youth came from. He was very pro youth at Chelsea and madrid, giving respectable opportunities to players like Josh, Sturridge,kakuta,Jese,Morata. And what do you mean by the highlighted? I hope you are not trying to imply Carlo plays the same style or poorer football than mourinho because that will be a shocking opinion and no neutral fan who have any knowledge about football will ever agree with that as carlo's teams are more attacking and better coached offensively than Mourinho's teams (well the current version of mourinho anyway).

False. The myth that Mourinho chooses players on merit has been well and truly debunked.