Anthon_nini

I don't think a player who has carried us numerous times can have his mentality questioned. As for his goal record, he's the type of player that won't shoot unless the shots on, Luis Figo best tally for a season was 14 and he was never questioned.

No just moronic nonsense like 'he could/should do more' with zero context or awareness of what transpired on Sunday. Stupidity runs deep at Chelsea, from the club itself right down to the supporters.

Well im not even 1% Belgium and i think most of the criticism he gets is truly ridiculous.

I agree with everything you just said except you can't compare playing false 9 in a fluent Barca system where Messi has people making runs everywhere compared to us playing Conte's weird shit where everyone is static to the point we're becoming a meme. What's the point of him dropping deep exactly playing like we did against City?

Drop back and create plays? Do you think that's what Conte put him in the false 9 role for? To drop back and create for the non existant forward? Are you saying he should have abandoned his instructed role in that retarded rigid setup, which would have basically been a big fuck you to Conte?
Either you're taking the piss or you're fecking clueless m8

Your constant passive/aggressive jabs towards Hazard are getting very tiresome mate.
You don't like him, we get it.

Doesn't affect me one little bit. He's shown great loyalty to this team especially since we appear, temporarily I hope, not to be trying to fulfil his expectations. Remember he came here because, he said, he wanted to win The Champions League. We're a long way from having a squad with a realistic chance in that competition. I think Eden has respected our club and deserves huge, and unreserved, acclaim from Chelsea fans.

Any player who can lead us to two EPL titles whilst being Chelsea player of the year 3 times and winnng the PFA award is a Chelsea legend in my book, not Lampard level but to it’s naive to say he isn’t. That’s besides counting all the memorable goals and countless times he came through when the team needed him. I’m not one who’s stuck in the past to only acknowledge past legends, I'm forward thinking and I’m willing to crown new legends whilst respecting the old ones.

Such a good post, very aware of the nuances in analysing stats. People need to analyse players in the context of their team and the systems they play in. For example we don’t think Hazard scores enough but yet feel Morata’s scoring record is okay as our lead striker even though they’ve scored the same number of goals. Salah has scored more goals than both combined but Chelsea are ahead of Liverpool in every way this season. Hazard scores less than some of his peers as we need less goals to win a game. Most of these players score loads of tap ins to beef up their stats, guy just doesn’t have that luxury. Almost every Hazard goal is due to individual brilliance as his teammates are just not capable of letting him pad his stats. There’s a reason even players like Sane, Who plays with KDB rates Hazard higher and place him in a similar bracket to Messi. I hope he stays but if he goes to a more attacking team, most of his sceptics will eat their words. 

Such a good post, very aware of the nuances in analysing stats. People need to analyse players in the context of their team and the systems they play in. For example we don’t think Hazard scores enough but yet feel Morata’s scoring record is okay as our lead striker even though they’ve scored the same number of goals. Salah has scored more goals than both combined but Chelsea are ahead of Liverpool in every way this season. Hazard scores less than some of his peers as we need less goals to win a game. Most of these players score loads of tap ins to beef up their stats, guy just doesn’t have that luxury. Almost every Hazard goal is due to individual brilliance as his teammates are just not capable of letting him pad his stats. There’s a reason even players like Sane, Who plays with KDB rates Hazard higher and place him in a similar bracket to Messi. I hope he stays but if he goes to a more attacking team, most of his sceptics will eat their words. 

Such a good post, very aware of the nuances in analysing stats. People need to analyse players in the context of their team and the systems they play in. For example we don’t think Hazard scores enough but yet feel Morata’s scoring record is okay as our lead striker even though they’ve scored the same number of goals. Salah has scored more goals than both combined but Chelsea are ahead of Liverpool in every way this season. Hazard scores less than some of his peers as we need less goals to win a game. Most of these players score loads of tap ins to beef up their stats, guy just doesn’t have that luxury. Almost every Hazard goal is due to individual brilliance as his teammates are just not capable of letting him pad his stats. There’s a reason even players like Sane, Who plays with KDB rates Hazard higher and place him in a similar bracket to Messi. I hope he stays but if he goes to a more attacking team, most of his sceptics will eat their words. 

Neymar wouldn't be able to do what he does at PSG or did at Barcelona. Here you can't lose the ball as many times as he does. 
In the 16/17 CL season he was in the top 5 most wasteful performances 3 times. http://www.givemesport.com/1034576-neymar-recorded-an-embarrassing-champions-league-statistic-against-juventus
Lost possession 46 times, 41 times, 38 times. That's a lot.
Even this season comparing Hazard and Neymar.
Hazard:  in the PL: dispossessed 1.8, Unsuccesful touches 1.5 in the CL : dispossessed 1.5 Unsuccesful touches 2.8
Neymar: in Ligue 1: dispossessed 3.1, Unsuccesful touches 3.3 in the CL : dispossessed 3 Unsuccesful touches 5.8
Neymar loses the ball nearly double as much as Hazard does and Neymar plays in a weaker league. If Neymar came here he wouldn't have that luxury.
He wouldn't have as many opportunities to try things as he does at PSG or Barca and that would certainly effect his output. 
Here Hazard simply doesn't have the luxury of losing the ball 46 times in a game. 
 I don't believe i said we were an extremely poor team but you have to admit that for a topteam we sure have a lot of average and defensive players in our squad. 
Alonso, Moses,  Cahill, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Zappa, Rudiger. All average players. Willian wouldn't be a starter for a top club. Fabregas and Pedro were considered surplus to requirements and sold by Barcelona and both are past their best. . 
Neither of them would be starting for a top team nowadays.
Morata was a super sub for Real but is struggling to be the main guy here.(jury's still out on him.) Our only real quality players are Courtois, Azpi, Christensen, Kante and Hazard. 1 gk, 2 cb's, 1 dm and 1 am/ss. 
1 attacking player, 4 defensive ones.
 Fabregas wouldn't be starting ahead of Veratti or Rabiot. Morata wouldn't start ahead of Cavani. The only players who have a chance of playing in that PSG team are the 5 players i mentioned above. 
No it's not lame, the quality of your team mates matters. How attacking or how defensive your team plays matters. There's a reason PSG bought Neymar AND Mbappe. 
"Brought them up a level" There's no doubt that their attack has been improved with the additions of Neymar and Mbappe but they've won the league 4 times in the last 5 without them. 
They were already a quality side before them.
"He can play poor and still score 2 goals" that's kinda ties in with what i was saying in the beginning of my post .The luxury Neymar has that Hazard doesn't.
Neymar can/could play like shit for PSG/Barca and his team would still be able to get him into good positions and still dominate the opposition. 
If Hazard has a poor game our attack is pretty much a dead stick and the chances of us dominating opponents, let alone actually creating dangerous chances for him to score are extremely unlikely. 
If Hazard isn't heavily involved in our attack then our attack just goes nowhere most of the time. There's a massive burden on Hazard to create openings and chances . He never had a Messi/Mbappe to share the burden.
Ofcourse Hazard has done it for us before but it's a lot more difficult to do when you don't have another quality partner to share the burden.
 Teams know Hazard is our focal point. A lot of times they'll  put multiple players on him and we don't have a Messi/ Mbappe to exploit that or force that level of attention unto themselves.
I agree he should be scoring more. While i agree that part of that is because of himself and his reluctance to shoot at times, i also think what i said above about not having a quality partner,being marked by multiple players, us playing with a lot of average and defensive players, playing in a defensive system plays a part in him not being able to reach the 20 goal mark here.
Also how many times do we actually push for more goals when we're up by a goal. How many times has Hazard been subbed 10-20 minutes before time for a more defensive approach to defend a 1-2 goal lead.
 
I honestly don't like Hazard in the false 9 role it makes it more difficult to get him on the ball and i don't think a false 9 goes with the way Conte likes to play.
Srry for the long post.

You can't compare Neymar playing with Iniesta, Messi and Suares to Hazard playing alone.... 

Hazard improving in a more attacking side is just logical. Sure it's a hypothetical because he hasn't left us for one (yet) but it's based on logic. A more attacking side + more quality will no doubt help attacking players.
Especially if they've been playing for one of the most pragmatic top teams in the world before and still managed to perform at a high level.
 
.Because Hazard doesn't have a release clause. Hazard is our best player. Aslong as Hazard isn't pushing for a move himself i don't think we could be persuaded to sell for any kind of money. 
 
Now why hasn't he pushed for a move himself ? Well there are a number of reasons.
His personality is one. He's a laid back, family man type of guy. He's not a money grabbing a'hole. He's not a diva looking to be in the spotlights all the time.
There's also the fact that even if he'd push for the move it would still take a considerable amount of money to make it happen. Most teams don't have the money to buy Hazard.
He's also not interested in leaving to any other club but Real or Barcelona.(mostly Real though) PSG have been wanting Hazard for years but Hazard himself doesn't want to go back to the french league. 
The german and Italian leagues don't interest him at all. 
So the amount of clubs that can afford him and that Hazard would want to go to are just 2.
People can complain about wanting Hazard to be more ambitious but if Hazard were more ambitious i don't think he would have stayed with us for as long as he has.
About it affecting his game. Look people have different personalities. Not every football player in the world has to be as driven as Ronaldo to succeed. 
Hazard is who he is. His primary goal is to enjoy his football (his life). Considering he's making millions and is widely viewed as one of the top players in the world i'd say it's working for him.
 
Have you actually been watching us ? During and since the European Cup KDB has been the one who's been subdued while Hazard has been the one that performs.
KDB is actually going through a considerable goal drought for our NT. The last time he scored dates back to the 26th of march 2016 against Switserland before the EC.
20 games without a goal.  Hazard on the other hand has 8 goals and 9 assists in 16 games since the EC (including the EC)
 

Over Sterling or Sane 🙈... Really? Well we are all entitled to our opinions. I’m sure most players, ex players and managers think otherwise. Matter of fact, the only players in City that come close to being mentioned in the same breath as Hazard are KDB and Silva. Hazard will elevate any team in the world atm. Imagine what he does for CFC even without seeing much of the ball and playing from deep. He will be so much more devastating when receiving the ball a lot, in better positions and a lot close to goal. My opinion, unless you’re Messi, Ronaldo or maybe Neymar he certainly will take your place if he comes to your team. His options if he wants to leave are only limited by finances of the buying club and not by if he will get to play much. He seems a loyal guy so that’s a positive for us.

Over Sterling or Sane 🙈... Really? Well we are all entitled to our opinions. I’m sure most players, ex players and managers think otherwise. Matter of fact, the only players in City that come close to being mentioned in the same breath as Hazard are KDB and Silva. Hazard will elevate any team in the world atm. Imagine what he does for CFC even without seeing much of the ball and playing from deep. He will be so much more devastating when receiving the ball a lot, in better positions and a lot close to goal. My opinion, unless you’re Messi, Ronaldo or maybe Neymar he certainly will take your place if he comes to your team. His options if he wants to leave are only limited by finances of the buying club and not by if he will get to play much. He seems a loyal guy so that’s a positive for us.

Over Sterling or Sane 🙈... Really? Well we are all entitled to our opinions. I’m sure most players, ex players and managers think otherwise. Matter of fact, the only players in City that come close to being mentioned in the same breath as Hazard are KDB and Silva. Hazard will elevate any team in the world atm. Imagine what he does for CFC even without seeing much of the ball and playing from deep. He will be so much more devastating when receiving the ball a lot, in better positions and a lot close to goal. My opinion, unless you’re Messi, Ronaldo or maybe Neymar he certainly will take your place if he comes to your team. His options if he wants to leave are only limited by finances of the buying club and not by if he will get to play much. He seems a loyal guy so that’s a positive for us.

Over Sterling or Sane 🙈... Really? Well we are all entitled to our opinions. I’m sure most players, ex players and managers think otherwise. Matter of fact, the only players in City that come close to being mentioned in the same breath as Hazard are KDB and Silva. Hazard will elevate any team in the world atm. Imagine what he does for CFC even without seeing much of the ball and playing from deep. He will be so much more devastating when receiving the ball a lot, in better positions and a lot close to goal. My opinion, unless you’re Messi, Ronaldo or maybe Neymar he certainly will take your place if he comes to your team. His options if he wants to leave are only limited by finances of the buying club and not by if he will get to play much. He seems a loyal guy so that’s a positive for us.

He would comfortably be considered 2nd best player in the world (which he is now Ronaldo is finally declining) had he been playing under Pep.

Over Sterling or Sane 🙈... Really? Well we are all entitled to our opinions. I’m sure most players, ex players and managers think otherwise. Matter of fact, the only players in City that come close to being mentioned in the same breath as Hazard are KDB and Silva. Hazard will elevate any team in the world atm. Imagine what he does for CFC even without seeing much of the ball and playing from deep. He will be so much more devastating when receiving the ball a lot, in better positions and a lot close to goal. My opinion, unless you’re Messi, Ronaldo or maybe Neymar he certainly will take your place if he comes to your team. His options if he wants to leave are only limited by finances of the buying club and not by if he will get to play much. He seems a loyal guy so that’s a positive for us.

Over Sterling or Sane 🙈... Really? Well we are all entitled to our opinions. I’m sure most players, ex players and managers think otherwise. Matter of fact, the only players in City that come close to being mentioned in the same breath as Hazard are KDB and Silva. Hazard will elevate any team in the world atm. Imagine what he does for CFC even without seeing much of the ball and playing from deep. He will be so much more devastating when receiving the ball a lot, in better positions and a lot close to goal. My opinion, unless you’re Messi, Ronaldo or maybe Neymar he certainly will take your place if he comes to your team. His options if he wants to leave are only limited by finances of the buying club and not by if he will get to play much. He seems a loyal guy so that’s a positive for us.

Maybe the big fish wants more room to swim ?
Ever stop to think that a big reason for Sané and Sterling's form might be Guardiola's sytem ? 
Ofcourse it could just be a coincidence that every single attacking player under Guardiola is currently flourishing in his ultra attacking, heavily focused possession system...
Let's get real though. Hazard would start in Pep's system and he'd flourish there with all the quality around him and possession he'd get.

So we are basically fielding a team, with Hazard and 10 other guys. Hazard and a guy that currently can only score headers, guy that can't run and dribble and is only good at passing, two very unproductive wingbacks and two midfielders who aren't good offensive.
Could it be any easier for other teams to focus ALL their strength on marking and kicking Hazard, especially if they set up for defending? Well, I don't think so, I think Messi would struggle here too sometimes.

You’re mostly right but people are blinded by hype and media narrative. There is also a myth that Hazard is not consistent and that’s because they use the Messi/Ronaldo goal scoring yardstick to beat him. If you check his match ratings, average player ratings and MOTM awards, you quickly realize he mostly drops 7/10 at least with 9/10 every other game.

You’re mostly right but people are blinded by hype and media narrative. There is also a myth that Hazard is not consistent and that’s because they use the Messi/Ronaldo goal scoring yardstick to beat him. If you check his match ratings, average player ratings and MOTM awards, you quickly realize he mostly drops 7/10 at least with 9/10 every other game.