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Jason

closed Spurs 1-0 Chelsea

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Man of the Match   8 members have voted

  1. 1. Who is your Man of the Match?

    • Kepa
      0
    • Azpilicueta
      0
    • Rudiger
      3
    • Christensen
      0
    • Alonso
      0
    • Jorginho
      0
    • Kante
      2
    • Barkley
      0
    • Willian
      0
    • Hudson-Odoi
      2
    • Hazard
      1
    • Pedro (sub)
      0
    • Kovacic (sub)
      0
    • Giroud (sub)
      0

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3 minutes ago, Adnane said:

 

Can we please establish in which world the below situation is an offside ? 

 

 

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Not that analysis, the telly showed (not even the one Sarri had) a multiple verticle line shot that showed his shoulder and torso clearly offside of the verticle plane.

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2 minutes ago, Adnane said:

Kane actually covers the referee's vision, so he doesn't see Azpilicueta. 

The spaniard is playing Kane on, they're in the same line. 

I have no idea where that Chelsea line is coming from, I'd rather trust this picture with many clear lines showing you that they are accurate rather than the other one.

The decision isn't the referees, it's the linesmans. Azpilicueta is not playing Kane on, Kane is offside, that's why the linesman flagged.

Where do you get such strong weed from?

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8 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

The decision isn't the referees, it's the linesmans. Azpilicueta is not playing Kane on, Kane is offside, that's why the linesman flagged.

Where do you get such strong weed from?

They are trying to gaslight a clear error. The linesman flag fucked up all that happened after, plus they used a wrong angled shot. It was NOT his feet, it was his shoulder and torso, which IS what the rule includes.

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11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Not that analysis, the telly showed (not even the one Sarri had) a multiple verticle line shot that showed his shoulder and torso clearly offside of the verticle plane.

That was before they calibrated lines, they put this on the telly itself and started calibrating the lines until they reached this final image where you can clearly see Kane not offside. 

 

10 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

The decision isn't the referees, it's the linesmans. Azpilicueta is not playing Kane on, Kane is offside, that's why the linesman flagged.

Where do you get such strong weed from?

There is no such thing as separation between a referee's and linesman's decision in a game. The referee actually makes the decision in all cases with the help of his assistants. 

The linesman's vision was covered by Kane, he could not see that Azpilicueta was actually playing Kane on. 

Do you think I'd rather trust a totally subjective Chelsea board ( or laptop for that matter ) rather than an actual decision made by refereeing specialists in an independent box based on multiple replays ( and the actual clear picture we have on our hands here ? ). 

We're just turning into Arsenal ( and spurs for that matter ) with these lame excuses and "we played better" narrative. 

Totally not Chels values. 

Really not interested in the weed, gas lighting and whatnot discussions, seems like we can't have an objective discussion on the internet anymore without this sort of silly comments ( even worse coming from an actual moderator ). 

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Just now, Adnane said:

That was before they calibrated lines, they put this on the telly itself and started calibrating the lines until they reached this final image where you can clearly see Kane not offside. 

 

There is no such thing as separation between a referee's and linesman's decision in a game. The referee actually makes the decision in all cases with the help of his assistants. 

The linesman's vision was covered by Kane, he could not see that Azpilicueta was actually playing Kane on. 

Do you think I'd rather trust a totally subjective Chelsea board ( or laptop for that matter ) rather than an actual decision made by refereeing specialists seeing in an independent box based on multiple replays ( and the actual clear picture we have on our hands here ? ). 

We're just turning into Arsenal ( and spurs for that matter ) with these lame excuses and "we played better" narrative. 

Totally not the Chels values. 

Jesus Christ:lol:

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If the referee's using VAR technology away from the ground don't have the high level of technology somebody like Sky does then what is the point?

We watch Sky Sports week in, week out and they seem to be able to show within 10 seconds if somebody was offside, ball over the line, etc. 

Otherwise you are still basing the decision on the interpretation of a referee as opposed to a clear cut 'yes' or 'no'.

How they aren't using a central camera in line with play is farcical. It's not rocket science for them to realise that although Kane's foot may be onside, his body is leaning forward so another body part may be offside.

And even then in this situation if two camera angles suggest two different interpretations it's not clear cut so surely then they must revert back to their original decision which is trusting the linesman that it was offside as he flagged.

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4 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

Overlapping runs are all about pace and timing. Creating that temporary 2 on 1 situation where the defending fullback has to make a decision "do i track the overlapping run or stay with the player on the ball".

Agree with you and on the above, high tempo and lots of movement are also important to creating the 2 v 1 situation. Otherwise, opponents will always be in place to deal with our attacks - e.g full back defend against the wide player and the wide player defend against the full back.

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14 hours ago, Jason said:

 

This is my only problem with Sarri's system. We are allergic to the 18 box, players dont surge in there and we dont deliver balls into the area when many players finally do. Compared to Mancity where Aguero, Sterling, Silva and Debruyne all enter the box at the same time waiting for a Sane cross. We almost always have just 2 players in the box instead of 4...

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

The Bundesliga is great at VAR. Superb even. American football too, BUT they have downs so it isn't continuous play.

Will ultimately ruin football.. we will lose the immediacy of the thrill of a goal being scored, dodgy challenge etc..turning into American Football.

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12 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Will ultimately ruin football.. we will lose the immediacy of the thrill of a goal being scored, dodgy challenge etc..turning into American Football.

Water polo was always being refereed like that.
But yesterday the VAR officials were cretins.

 

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

The Bundesliga is great at VAR. Superb even. American football too, BUT they have downs so it isn't continuous play.

Still in 2019 watch teams the time they take throw ins or the time keepers fluff around with the ball that mounts up to alot of non continuous play , think every man and his dog wouldnt mind 2mins for var to get a major decision correct... lol . Yeah can't believe this is the major talking point of the game... darth Vadar would be more use.

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The biggest refereeing con in the days before var:
Watch what happens. The no 2 standing next to the post handles. But it appears the ref has blue players infront of him and the 4th ref behind the goalmouth also has his view obstructed by the post,
If that is not outrageous enough, the tv shows two (2) replays while the two refs were still conferring.
The tv crewe -known for their bias in favour of the red team- admit of course it's a penalty and a sending off.
But after the end of the replays we see the ref giving a corner kick - no pen !
The match was a cup final - 2 million viewers.
A similar thing happened during Concacaf 2015 when Peru scored a handball against Brazil. The only difference was that the Americans did not broadcast the replays while the refs were in conference.
But they showed them afterwards.
The refs had no right to call the tv studio for advice in both cases.
 

 

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15 hours ago, Jason said:

 

This is echoed in this article:  https://statsbomb.com/2019/01/chelsea-and-the-challenge-of-sarriball/

The problem isn’t that Chelsea don’t create scoring opportunities. In both the loss and the draw, they more than their season average of 15.81 shots, an average which is itself the second highest in the league. The problem is that so few of those shots are good. Their xG per shot of 0.10 is exceedingly average. Only nine teams take worse quality shots on average than Chelsea do. The combination of high volume attack and average quality makes for the third best attack in the league by expected goals, clocking in at 1.51 per game.

We are currently taking high volume, low quality shots.  Our xG looks good because it all adds up, but we need to find ways to fashion better chances.

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8 hours ago, eemanyooel said:

Lol...

Even if Pulisic doesn't end up coming here...that means he has a terrible football future if he can't play better than willian... Willian is terrible...

Then you agree that merely being better than Willian is not enough. We need players who match the profile of the footballers we need, not ones who are simply less bad than those we have now.

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31 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

This is echoed in this article:  https://statsbomb.com/2019/01/chelsea-and-the-challenge-of-sarriball/

The problem isn’t that Chelsea don’t create scoring opportunities. In both the loss and the draw, they more than their season average of 15.81 shots, an average which is itself the second highest in the league. The problem is that so few of those shots are good. Their xG per shot of 0.10 is exceedingly average. Only nine teams take worse quality shots on average than Chelsea do. The combination of high volume attack and average quality makes for the third best attack in the league by expected goals, clocking in at 1.51 per game.

We are currently taking high volume, low quality shots.  Our xG looks good because it all adds up, but we need to find ways to fashion better chances.

We don't get enough players into the box when we attack, we don't do enough cut backs or low crosses. Thats why we take low quality shots. We need to get CHO, Hazard, Willian and Barkley into the box, we always stay outside the box and end up playing like a Louis Van Gaal team.

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