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1. Kepa Arrizabalaga

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We never heard what Kepa wants? 

Is he OK with loan? Does he wants to stay and fight for his place? 

Cumming just got his loan move and now even rumours that Betis want Willy. 

I think Kepa will stay as number 2. 

And who knows, if he performs like in his first season here then great for us. 

Maybe he found new girlfriend :ph34r:

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5 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

We never heard what Kepa wants? 

Is he OK with loan? Does he wants to stay and fight for his place? 

Cumming just got his loan move and now even rumours that Betis want Willy. 

I think Kepa will stay as number 2. 

And who knows, if he performs like in his first season here then great for us. 

Maybe he found new girlfriend :ph34r:

He didn't actually perform that much better last season. It was that he had a team with much better defensive structure in front of him. The gf issue is a excuse. The boy is a busted flush. 

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He is the biggest issue we have in this team. If we go with him next season, it will be one long season because I dont think it will work having great attack only for defense to ruin it. At one point the team will implode because after such spending, those at the top wont tolerate a progress like Liverpool. We will need a strong season and I dont think Kepa can provide that.

Dont even need Oblak or anything; Onana, Lopes, Gulacsi would easily work. They are reliable and dependable at the back which will add much needed stability.

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34 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

He is the biggest issue we have in this team. If we go with him next season, it will be one long season because I dont think it will work having great attack only for defense to ruin it. At one point the team will implode because after such spending, those at the top wont tolerate a progress like Liverpool. We will need a strong season and I dont think Kepa can provide that.

Dont even need Oblak or anything; Onana, Lopes, Gulacsi would easily work. They are reliable and dependable at the back which will add much needed stability.

 

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47 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

He is the biggest issue we have in this team. If we go with him next season, it will be one long season because I dont think it will work having great attack only for defense to ruin it. At one point the team will implode because after such spending, those at the top wont tolerate a progress like Liverpool. We will need a strong season and I dont think Kepa can provide that.

Dont even need Oblak or anything; Onana, Lopes, Gulacsi would easily work. They are reliable and dependable at the back which will add much needed stability.

If he is the biggest issue you haven’t been watching close enough all season if I am honest

-chance conversion (more clinical we could probably have finished second based on how the season played out and not dropped points against stupid teams), 

-defending at set plays (it’s worse than its even been IMO since Villas-Boas was in charge), 

-not getting caught/so exposed on the transition (again this season almost a Villas-Boas-esque commitment to trying to play 2 defenders v 3 or 4 attackers at the back more or less everytime we lose the ball in the oppositions half at times)

...all much bigger issues than Kepa IMO. For all the bad games he had (10 or 11 I would say in the course of a season) those 3 things were more reoccurring and more of an issue than the GK and making saves or not making saves or coming for corners or not coming from corners. Okay set plays he maybe comes into it but dont tell me the set play set ups this season have filled anybody with confidence? Things like Ngolo Kante marking Virgil van Dijk (or was that last season cannot remember?), Jorginho defending the front post, zonal every fucking match giving any team with decent sizes players a head start. Was it 13 or 14 goals from set plays we conceded? More than the mistakes Kepa made all season?
 

On 18/08/2020 at 4:57 PM, King Kante said:

He didn't actually perform that much better last season. It was that he had a team with much better defensive structure in front of him. The gf issue is a excuse. The boy is a busted flush. 

Also what did you base this off of? He was pretty good and pretty consistent last season, I really dont see how you could argue with that. Saying the defensive structure bailed him out is just incredibly lazy (our defensive record and structure was better than this seasons yes but still pretty fucking awful so its not even a viable argument in my eyes), would be like saying Oblak is only world class because Atletico defend so well and have proper defensive structure. Or Courtois was only world class at Atletico for the same reason... Just doesn’t do them justice or Kepa’s performances last season any justice. Yes he wasnt world class last season and yes has his flaws but the fickleness in peoples view of him as a footballer is clear to see. Okay we know he has been under performing this season, Stevie Wonder could see that but to say he was doing that last season is just bizarre beyond belief. I suppose its just to be expected though.

But again as I mentioned, more worried about the shape without the ball, defending set plays and conversion rate right now. Werner and Ziyech offer more in to the last one but still plenty to do and not all of it can be sorted by recruitment either. 

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7 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

If he is the biggest issue you haven’t been watching close enough all season if I am honest

-chance conversion (more clinical we could probably have finished second based on how the season played out and not dropped points against stupid teams), 

-defending at set plays (it’s worse than its even been IMO since Villas-Boas was in charge), 

-not getting caught/so exposed on the transition (again this season almost a Villas-Boas-esque commitment to trying to play 2 defenders v 3 or 4 attackers at the back more or less everytime we lose the ball in the oppositions half at times)

...all much bigger issues than Kepa IMO. For all the bad games he had (10 or 11 I would say in the course of a season) those 3 things were more reoccurring and more of an issue than the GK and making saves or not making saves or coming for corners or not coming from corners. Okay set plays he maybe comes into it but dont tell me the set play set ups this season have filled anybody with confidence? Things like Ngolo Kante marking Virgil van Dijk (or was that last season cannot remember?), Jorginho defending the front post, zonal every fucking match giving any team with decent sizes players a head start. Was it 13 or 14 goals from set plays we conceded? More than the mistakes Kepa made all season?

Just because we have other problems, it doesn't mean Kepa isn't a problem. Months ago, I was still willing to be patient with Kepa but as the season went on, the situation had reached breaking point because he has let in goals that he should have saved and he has rarely even made any sort of saves. Every shot from opposing teams was like turning into a goal every time, might as well not have any keeper in goal at all. Go through the games last season and am sure he cost us like 10 points, a few additional wins because of his paper-esque wrists, pathetic reflexes, technical flaws. The stats do not lie when they state he has the worst save % in the league and heck on top of not saving shots, he appeared to have even forgotten how to do the basics, which culminated to all the defenders screaming at him for not coming for the cross late on at Anfield. It feels so alien that when you see other teams' keeper makes save after save after save, big or small and then realize that your team's keeper does not do that. Having the likes of Werner, Ziyech, Havertz etc would likely help with the chance conversion this coming season but at the same time, that would be pointless if the keeper, who is supposed to be our last line of defence, makes a blunder in goal. It would be like taking a step forward and then two steps back. 

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8 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

If he is the biggest issue you haven’t been watching close enough all season if I am honest

-chance conversion (more clinical we could probably have finished second based on how the season played out and not dropped points against stupid teams), 

-defending at set plays (it’s worse than its even been IMO since Villas-Boas was in charge), 

-not getting caught/so exposed on the transition (again this season almost a Villas-Boas-esque commitment to trying to play 2 defenders v 3 or 4 attackers at the back more or less everytime we lose the ball in the oppositions half at times)

...all much bigger issues than Kepa IMO. For all the bad games he had (10 or 11 I would say in the course of a season) those 3 things were more reoccurring and more of an issue than the GK and making saves or not making saves or coming for corners or not coming from corners. Okay set plays he maybe comes into it but dont tell me the set play set ups this season have filled anybody with confidence? Things like Ngolo Kante marking Virgil van Dijk (or was that last season cannot remember?), Jorginho defending the front post, zonal every fucking match giving any team with decent sizes players a head start. Was it 13 or 14 goals from set plays we conceded? More than the mistakes Kepa made all season?
 

Also what did you base this off of? He was pretty good and pretty consistent last season, I really dont see how you could argue with that. Saying the defensive structure bailed him out is just incredibly lazy (our defensive record and structure was better than this seasons yes but still pretty fucking awful so its not even a viable argument in my eyes), would be like saying Oblak is only world class because Atletico defend so well and have proper defensive structure. Or Courtois was only world class at Atletico for the same reason... Just doesn’t do them justice or Kepa’s performances last season any justice. Yes he wasnt world class last season and yes has his flaws but the fickleness in peoples view of him as a footballer is clear to see. Okay we know he has been under performing this season, Stevie Wonder could see that but to say he was doing that last season is just bizarre beyond belief. I suppose its just to be expected though.

But again as I mentioned, more worried about the shape without the ball, defending set plays and conversion rate right now. Werner and Ziyech offer more in to the last one but still plenty to do and not all of it can be sorted by recruitment either. 

No it's not lazy. What was lazy, was last season everyone made out he was a better GK than TC because everyone hated TC and wanted to make out as if he wouldn't be missed. Apart from the Fulham save (which was close to him anyway) what did he do in his first season that was so amazing? Save a penalty hit right at him in the Ropey League? Also, if you go back over the season, you will see his stay at home style at set pieces, so this is something teams picked up and started to exploit rather than something he only started doing this season. 

Lastly, here is a statistical break down of Kepa for 2.5 years up to January. What you should find most concerning is that in the months leading up to January he was actually performing better than he was in his first season: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2020/5/14/21257561/solving-chelseas-kepa-conundrum-part

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11 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

If he is the biggest issue you haven’t been watching close enough all season if I am honest

-chance conversion (more clinical we could probably have finished second based on how the season played out and not dropped points against stupid teams), 

-defending at set plays (it’s worse than its even been IMO since Villas-Boas was in charge), 

-not getting caught/so exposed on the transition (again this season almost a Villas-Boas-esque commitment to trying to play 2 defenders v 3 or 4 attackers at the back more or less everytime we lose the ball in the oppositions half at times)

...all much bigger issues than Kepa IMO. For all the bad games he had (10 or 11 I would say in the course of a season) those 3 things were more reoccurring and more of an issue than the GK and making saves or not making saves or coming for corners or not coming from corners. Okay set plays he maybe comes into it but dont tell me the set play set ups this season have filled anybody with confidence? Things like Ngolo Kante marking Virgil van Dijk (or was that last season cannot remember?), Jorginho defending the front post, zonal every fucking match giving any team with decent sizes players a head start. Was it 13 or 14 goals from set plays we conceded? More than the mistakes Kepa made all season?
 

Also what did you base this off of? He was pretty good and pretty consistent last season, I really dont see how you could argue with that. Saying the defensive structure bailed him out is just incredibly lazy (our defensive record and structure was better than this seasons yes but still pretty fucking awful so its not even a viable argument in my eyes), would be like saying Oblak is only world class because Atletico defend so well and have proper defensive structure. Or Courtois was only world class at Atletico for the same reason... Just doesn’t do them justice or Kepa’s performances last season any justice. Yes he wasnt world class last season and yes has his flaws but the fickleness in peoples view of him as a footballer is clear to see. Okay we know he has been under performing this season, Stevie Wonder could see that but to say he was doing that last season is just bizarre beyond belief. I suppose its just to be expected though.

But again as I mentioned, more worried about the shape without the ball, defending set plays and conversion rate right now. Werner and Ziyech offer more in to the last one but still plenty to do and not all of it can be sorted by recruitment either. 

There are many thing that I disagree with you there. With any player my question what is your weaknesses and strength. If you have a glaring weakness, you better have strong skill set at other area. Take one Chelsea most hated player Alonso. He is freaking slow for a fb but his passing is very good, his finishing is fantastic and aerially he is very2 good. 

With Kepa, his shot stopping skill has been awful. That is clear to see. He also can't catch crosses. His distribution is ok. So what is he good at. So GK is a big problem. The bigger problem is that it is very2 difficult to move him. So I hope he can get better, this is a question that I can't answer. 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, communicate said:

His distribution is ok

No it's not, it's appalling like the rest of his play, every time I see his name on the team sheet I cringe.

And the other bad news is we also need a number 2 [No i don't mean a dump] we need to replace Willy, IMO we should have gone or Ben Foster.

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7 hours ago, Jason said:

Just because we have other problems, it doesn't mean Kepa isn't a problem. Months ago, I was still willing to be patient with Kepa but as the season went on, the situation had reached breaking point because he has let in goals that he should have saved and he has rarely even made any sort of saves. Every shot from opposing teams was like turning into a goal every time, might as well not have any keeper in goal at all. Go through the games last season and am sure he cost us like 10 points, a few additional wins because of his paper-esque wrists, pathetic reflexes, technical flaws. The stats do not lie when they state he has the worst save % in the league and heck on top of not saving shots, he appeared to have even forgotten how to do the basics, which culminated to all the defenders screaming at him for not coming for the cross late on at Anfield. It feels so alien that when you see other teams' keeper makes save after save after save, big or small and then realize that your team's keeper does not do that. Having the likes of Werner, Ziyech, Havertz etc would likely help with the chance conversion this coming season but at the same time, that would be pointless if the keeper, who is supposed to be our last line of defence, makes a blunder in goal. It would be like taking a step forward and then two steps back. 

I said isnt our biggest problem. Not that he isnt a problem. 

He is a problem but hes further down the list for me. If we dont improve without the ball defensively or at set plays (maybe he is a reason as I said) or convert more chances into more goals it wont matter if we have Kepa or Oblak in goal. Sure Oblak would save more but a team conceding too many chances is never good. Even if the GK can bail them out. You dont want your GK to have to make a lot of saves. 

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2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I said isnt our biggest problem. Not that he isnt a problem. 

He is a problem but hes further down the list for me. If we dont improve without the ball defensively or at set plays (maybe he is a reason as I said) or convert more chances into more goals it wont matter if we have Kepa or Oblak in goal. Sure Oblak would save more but a team conceding too many chances is never good. Even if the GK can bail them out. You dont want your GK to have to make a lot of saves. 

We don't want our keeper to have to make a lot of saves, sure, but at the same time, we also want a keeper who can makes saves when called upon and Kepa very, very rarely did that in the last couple of months. 

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3 hours ago, Jason said:

We don't want our keeper to have to make a lot of saves, sure, but at the same time, we also want a keeper who can makes saves when called upon and Kepa very, very rarely did that in the last couple of months. 

Yes but I think your missing the point.

Improvement in the organisation and defending as a whole has to be our number 1 priority next season as it was a huge reason as to why our season had that slump midway through and uncertainty towards the end (along with chance conversion - when the Havertz deal happens then I think its fair to say that issue has been almost resolved or so you would think looking at us on paper). Even with Havertz, Ziyech, Pulisic, Werner if we don’t improve the structure and organisation as a whole unit, teams will continue to create plenty of chances be it from corners, FKs, open play whatever against us. Its not necessarily just personnel that needs to change as we’ve mentioned so many times this last season its more than just one or two players, it comes from the way we try to play and the naiveness of a young manager who is trying to make his mark at times (mistakes will be made we cannot say that isnt going to happen but it has to be reflected on and changed in the longrun and set plays/fks/transitions were a huge issue last season).

I think thats got to be more a realistic priority as a collective with the signing of a LB and maybe another a CB first and foremost than trying to offload a 71m GK 2 years into a 7 year contract in the middle of a financially crippling global pandemic, dont you? I think Kepa will get replaced but its not going to be as easy as okay Ajax heres 35m for your GK now we have to try offload a high earner with 5 years left on his deal who cost 71m 2 years ago who will undoubtedly not want to sit on the bench. If we are to replace Kepa I think a club has to make a move first to come and get him, theres plenty of talk the club still have faith in him and expect him to turn it around and pay back the investment. Whether you believe that or not I dont know if Frank or the club will think at this moment replacing a GK is top of the list. If we get this triple deal yes then absolutely but we still need to wait and see. I do expect him to be replaced but I dont think its our number 1 concern right now. 

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7 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Yes but I think your missing the point.

Improvement in the organisation and defending as a whole has to be our number 1 priority next season as it was a huge reason as to why our season had that slump midway through and uncertainty towards the end (along with chance conversion - when the Havertz deal happens then I think its fair to say that issue has been almost resolved or so you would think looking at us on paper). Even with Havertz, Ziyech, Pulisic, Werner if we don’t improve the structure and organisation as a whole unit, teams will continue to create plenty of chances be it from corners, FKs, open play whatever against us. Its not necessarily just personnel that needs to change as we’ve mentioned so many times this last season its more than just one or two players, it comes from the way we try to play and the naiveness of a young manager who is trying to make his mark at times (mistakes will be made we cannot say that isnt going to happen but it has to be reflected on and changed in the longrun and set plays/fks/transitions were a huge issue last season).

I think thats got to be more a realistic priority as a collective with the signing of a LB and maybe another a CB first and foremost than trying to offload a 71m GK 2 years into a 7 year contract in the middle of a financially crippling global pandemic, dont you? I think Kepa will get replaced but its not going to be as easy as okay Ajax heres 35m for your GK now we have to try offload a high earner with 5 years left on his deal who cost 71m 2 years ago who will undoubtedly not want to sit on the bench. If we are to replace Kepa I think a club has to make a move first to come and get him, theres plenty of talk the club still have faith in him and expect him to turn it around and pay back the investment. Whether you believe that or not I dont know if Frank or the club will think at this moment replacing a GK is top of the list. If we get this triple deal yes then absolutely but we still need to wait and see. I do expect him to be replaced but I dont think its our number 1 concern right now. 

Oh no, I am not missing the point. That the defence needs to be improved is well documented at this point. I myself have talked endlessly about it. But those problems can't be used as excuses for Kepa's own individual flaws. 

And yes, I am aware that moving Kepa out is not easy. That has been reported by the media as well but it doesn't mean we can't try to do so. The club are certainly trying to make moves on it.

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Kepa just costed too much. He is the most expensive goalkeeper in history. We have to rely on our scouting and give him confidence and hope he just needed a lot of time like De Gea. We don't have another choice imo. I don't think he will ever be Cech or Courtois level, but he can do a lot better than now.

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13 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Will be interesting if we buy a new GK or give Kepa one more chance. 

You can't throw away that much money. With FFP we have to give Kepa another chance. If we'd have an unlimited budget, we could take a 50M loss on Kepa. Now it's impossible.

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5 hours ago, MCM4PR3Z said:

You can't throw away that much money. With FFP we have to give Kepa another chance. If we'd have an unlimited budget, we could take a 50M loss on Kepa. Now it's impossible.

I don't think the club are concerned about FFP at all especially when it's relaxed this summer because of the pandemic.

The problem is, finding someone to take Kepa, be it on loan or just outright buy him. The former is obviously more likely at this point but there does not seem to be any takers. 

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

I don't think the club are concerned about FFP at all especially when it's relaxed this summer because of the pandemic.

The problem is, finding someone to take Kepa, be it on loan or just outright buy him. The former is obviously more likely at this point but there does not seem to be any takers. 

I dont even think it makes a difference. Even assuming FFP was still in full force and we were forced to keep Kepa around we need to sign a 3rd senior keeper, which will cost 30m max. That keeper should be expected to challenge poor gks like Willy and kepa anyway so while we are at that we can as well sign a proper one.

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

I don't think the club are concerned about FFP at all especially when it's relaxed this summer because of the pandemic.

The problem is, finding someone to take Kepa, be it on loan or just outright buy him. The former is obviously more likely at this point but there does not seem to be any takers. 

Its relaxed only for this year. The same FY will be counted in the next window. Infact the next monitoring period will have 4 FYs. So I think the club will take FFP as seriously as they have in the past. We have not got in trouble with FFP, and dont think we would want to in the future

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