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Special Juan

4. Cesc Fàbregas

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8 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

One thing I absolutely dont get is he can make a pinpoint pass through half of field during the play, but his corners and freekick deliveries are absolutely average. How is that possible for someone with such good pass? Pirlo, Kroos, Iniesta can all do it. What is with Cesc that he cant? If he had this threat from corners and freekicks he would be alot more usefull.

He has good technique but poor at holding the ball and dribbling, good in passing but poor at setpieces....so so limited player.

The rest of our squad is shit in corners and freekick deliveries too, so Im happy whenever Cesc plays because just maybe he can give a good ball, but generaly we are so poor in this.

Iniesta isn't good at crossing or delivering good set-pieces.

In the Netherlands there's a football term called 'traptechniek'. It translates to kick(ing) technique in English, refering to the ability of kicking/striking the ball with finesse, power, swerve and dip. Quality corner deliveries are about power, swerve and dip. Players like Pirlo and Kroos are capable of striking the ball with those techniques in a very controlled fashion. Long passing is mostly about finesse. It's more of a stroke than an actual kick/strike. Those typical Fabregas passes from around 25-35m from goal is a subtle technique. Pirlo is a master of both. It's arguably what made his career. Kroos not so much, more of a cross passer.

There's a bigger correlation between direct FKs and corners than long passes and corners. But they're still different techniques. Messi is a FK and long passing master but his set-piece delivery is a 6, 6.5 out of 10 at best. I relate because my traptechniek is my specialty as an amateur. Too big for corner delivery duty though.

But like Greavsie said above, if most can't do it, it's obviously an extremely hard skill to master and a rare talent.

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9 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

One thing I absolutely dont get is he can make a pinpoint pass through half of field during the play, but his corners and freekick deliveries are absolutely average. How is that possible for someone with such good pass? Pirlo, Kroos, Iniesta can all do it. What is with Cesc that he cant? If he had this threat from corners and freekicks he would be alot more usefull.

He has good technique but poor at holding the ball and dribbling, good in passing but poor at setpieces....so so limited player.

The rest of our squad is shit in corners and freekick deliveries too, so Im happy whenever Cesc plays because just maybe he can give a good ball, but generaly we are so poor in this.

I do understand where you're coming from.

When you see some of the pinpoint passes he's made with opposition all round him yet hes got all the time in the world for crosses (not ONLY Cescy but others too) then you would expect he could take the gonads off a fly given time and space.

And these lads practice these kicks for hours at a time. Look at that Eden practice corner when he scored from well behind the touchline.

So its understandable how we can hammer our heads into a wall sometimes when the ball doesn't get past the closest guy to him at a corner kick.

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On 4/5/2017 at 11:29 AM, DYC. said:

In the Netherlands there's a football term called 'traptechniek'. It translates to kick(ing) technique in English, refering to the ability of kicking/striking the ball with finesse, power, swerve and dip. Quality corner deliveries are about power, swerve and dip. Players like Pirlo and Kroos are capable of striking the ball with those techniques in a very controlled fashion. Long passing is mostly about finesse. It's more of a stroke than an actual kick/strike.

Someone else who's got beautiful traptechniek is Xhaka at Arsenal. 

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9 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Someone else who's got beautiful traptechniek is Xhaka at Arsenal. 

Xhaka has that but has nothing else in his locker lol.

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Just now, Yeboii said:

Xhaka has that but has nothing else in his locker lol.

He's a good player. Hasn't settled in yet imo. I think he'll have a good season next year, and show everyone what he's really about. He's a very rare player, proper regista. In the right system he would thrive.

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Actually, after another so so attempt by Cesc to deliver a free kick yesterday, I remembered Frank Lampard. With all the traptechniek discussion above, I can't reminisce over this player, one of the best midfielders of his generation. Had it all.

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3 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

That was front page headlines yesterday, the day after a terrorist attack in Germany on the Dortmund team bus.....After all it is the Sun.

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1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

That was front page headlines yesterday, the day after a terrorist attack in Germany on the Dortmund team bus.....After all it is the Sun.

If it wasn't a famous footballer- it would be a non story 

The kid is probably embarrassed that his Mum is such a money whore! 

Married to an Investment Wanker and now chasing a few quid from a footballer. That's equality for you right there! 😂😂😂

Amy head "injury" is monitoring for 48 hours - A&E would have told her that 

Not even any proof Fabregras kicked the ball - absolute shambolic reporting - sad times indeed

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4 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

57 seconds -From Cesc coming on to Hazard scoring............... just saying :dance:

He makes a difference.

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What a man. The ultimate professional. Doesn't moan about not playing, but he comes on and gives everything. Made a huge impact, from the moment he was on, rather than being on the back foot, we were pressing forward with more urgency. He changes the entire psyche of the team when he's on. 

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What a performance. My MOTM. Our football is just so much better when he's on the pitch. Loved his role as the floater between the forwards and midfielders.

He really wants that second PL medal. He deserves it. Has quietly had a very good season imo. 

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6 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

What a performance. My MOTM. Our football is just so much better when he's on the pitch. Loved his role as the floater between the forwards and midfielders.

He really wants that second PL medal. He deserves it. Has quietly had a very good season imo. 

My next favorite sight when watching Chelsea play after Hazard dribbling at opponents is watching Cesc receive the ball in the middle of the pitch and picking out a pinpoint pass. Just a beautiful footballer when allowed space. Having legs around him with Kante and Matic obviously help. You can see all of our other players try to get the bal to Cesc's feet at every opportunity. Even a world class dribbler like Eden makes a big effort to get Cesc on the ball because he knows how good he is and that says it all.

Today was the exact way Cesc should be utilized. Get him on the ball orchestrating for about 70 minutes until his legs start to go and replace him with Willian or Pedro.

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1 minute ago, Pizy said:

My next favorite sight when watching Chelsea play after Hazard dribbling at opponents is watching Cesc receive the ball in the middle of the pitch and picking out a pinpoint pass. Just a beautiful footballer when allowed space. Having legs around him with Kante and Matic obviously help. You can see all of our other players try to get the bal to Cesc's feet at every opportunity. Even a world class dribbler like Eden makes a big effort to get Cesc on the ball because he knows how good he is and that says it all.

Today was the exact way Cesc should be utilized. Get him on the ball orchestrating for about 70 minutes until his legs start to go and replace him with Willian or Pedro.

Can you imagine him being flanked by two B2B destroyers next season? He's going to be a vital part of the squad next year. Tonight's performance proved it. What a man. Nothing but respect for how he's done here so far. 

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13 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Can you imagine him being flanked by two B2B destroyers next season? He's going to be a vital part of the squad next year. Tonight's performance proved it. What a man. Nothing but respect for how he's done here so far. 

Hopefully he's not sold! He'll have some big offers I would imagine and might be enticed by more regular playing time.

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5 hours ago, Pizy said:

My next favorite sight when watching Chelsea play after Hazard dribbling at opponents is watching Cesc receive the ball in the middle of the pitch and picking out a pinpoint pass. Just a beautiful footballer when allowed space. Having legs around him with Kante and Matic obviously help. You can see all of our other players try to get the bal to Cesc's feet at every opportunity. Even a world class dribbler like Eden makes a big effort to get Cesc on the ball because he knows how good he is and that says it all.

Today was the exact way Cesc should be utilized. Get him on the ball orchestrating for about 70 minutes until his legs start to go and replace him with Willian or Pedro.

Not to mention the 1-2's with Hazard....After Mata and Oscar (yes, that Oscar) left, I think Cesc is the one guy on the team that Hazard can count to quickly link up play, (and of course Diego when he's in the mood)

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