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[LDN Blue 7,903]

Are you debating this again?

Just the labelling part, honest :unsure:

[eldo 868]

Just the labelling part, honest :unsure:

If you are then I would like to see how would you include Milan under Max Allegri into your debate.

[spuz 143]

Alright then, i hope not to see some of these fans that want Carlo out praising Carlo if we win the CL or miraculous win the PL.

And even then I think a lot of these fans where praising the ground Carlo walk on when he won the double with a historic record of goals...

But then if we don't praise him for winning,what would you call us then?

Can we praise when someone is doing a good job and criticise and give an opinion when someone is doing a bad job?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

If you are then I would like to see how would you include Milan under Max Allegri into your debate.

What do you mean?

[eldo 868]

What do you mean?

Well Milans this season. I heard that Milan fans are saying that he is playing the same players, not giving youth a chance... Same things that Carlo was accused of.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Well Milans this season. I heard that Milan fans are saying that he is playing the same players, not giving youth a chance... Same things that Carlo was accused of.

Well I'm not following Serie A to that extent currently. There are 2 things I can perhaps comment on, about that.

1. The pace of Serie A. Admittedly the pace of the football has improved over the last few years but generally it is still a very tactical battle in Italy, attacking is done systematically and is organised. It why the "old guard" don't have problems when it comes to lasting the entire game, because there's not as much running as there is in the Premier League & La Liga. Milan have some good youth amongst their ranks; Pato, Boateng, Amelia, Merkel (who will be amazing one day!), Sokratis ect.. I was very shocked to see them sign 35-year old Yepes & 33-year old Van Bommel in January. The singing of Cassano was positive, though he's 28, he still plays very well. I'd agree with those fans that players like Gattuso, Ambrosini & Zambrotta need to make way now.
2. The decline in form of Inter Milan & Juventus. Everyone knows what happened when Mourinho left Inter Milan and Rafa took the hotseat.. In a word, chaos. The players weren't happy, the fans weren't happy & Moratti was unhappy. This reflected in the performance of the Nerazzurri, where they failed at basic defending (probably Benitez using zonal marking again!), basic attacking & basic logic. Standard policy when Mourinho leaves a team, hell breaks loose . Juventus have been on the decline for a while now, they haven't been as competitive as they used to be, and they've basically become the Liverpool of Serie A. Del Piero will not last long now & Buffon's having his share of problems. Even Roma (AC's other rivals last season) were in disarray, their sacking of Ranieri epitomised that!

Like I said, I don't follow Serie A as much any more, so those are the only explanations I can offer currently.

[Guest justin_3d]

Shut up you plastic glory hunter.

I have to admit that Carlo has won me over slghtly in the past few weeks (more importantly he's won Roman over for the short term for now)

It took him along time but he finally realised what was needed , however he is still learning and for a 51 yr old that's not good.

e.g. Just this weekend when subbing Torres. And despite having umpteen amount of games this season the likes of Josh and co. have not seen much playing time.

I'll stand by my views of we shouldn't have got him in the first place,it was a risk with him winning only 1 league title in 10 years with Milan and Juve.

And I still stand by last season was very fortunate and we could have easily finished empty handed.

So for the record if he wins us the CL and PL,I still have no worries about Roman getting rid or him leaving for Roma.

We can find better (please no more Italians).

Overall verdict:

A lovely man,quiet and doesn't bring the dramas of Mourinho.Which I like.

Never bad mouthed a ref,or blamed a linesman for a loss,unlike other poor loser managers.

Still learning his trade.

Doesn't give youth much of a chance.

Takes a while to click on that something isn't working.

Some very pointless subs for which I think he's finally realising.

If he goes,I thank him and we move onwards and forwards,just like we have without Mourinho.

You do have to realize that for Milan they value mostly CL then league. So in that aspect he did really good.

Now for Roman i think his view has changed just like Milan. He wants CL more. It is why Carlo is the best man there is.

But then if we don't praise him for winning,what would you call us then?

Can we praise when someone is doing a good job and criticise and give an opinion when someone is doing a bad job?

You have to be consistent and take other factors into consideration. The same man that won the double with a historic record of goals does not becomes bad over night.

It is here where the plastics fan cannot see this.

As I stated before Carlo is building a good team with Yossi, David Luiz, and Ramires. So I am sure he can continue buying more good players and building a good team like Mourinho did!

Perhaps so. People Fans are still allowed to change their opinions though, it is not only based on results that fans have made judgements on Carlo. It's also things like his track record with AC Milan, his youth policy, him being a "yes man" and other, valid, points. You may not agree, but calling them plastic is a cheap come back, a much better option would be to debate their views - not label them glory hunters or plastic.

So flip flopper is ok??? Sorry but this type seems like plastic fans to me. Support your team in the good and the bad!

And last his track record for Milan is mostly gear for CL. In which in that regard is the best there is.

[Kostas 1,468]

Late contender for most useless poster of the season?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

So flip flopper is ok??? Sorry but this type seems like plastic fans to me. Support your team in the good and the bad!

And last his track record for Milan is mostly gear for CL. In which in that regard is the best there is.

You're still not grasping the concept. Of course, all of us here, will back the club through thick and thin! We support our players & management regardless of if we think they should be there or not. Support and opinion is completely different. It's like saying you support your country (out of a deluded sense of 'patriotism') but not favouring your President. You support everyone, but you have your own opinion about things like management.

For example myself, I don't think Kalou is a Chelsea-required player. But when he comes on, I hope he does well & I support him. Doesn't mean I think he should be here though. Do you get what I mean?

[spuz 143]

Sorry but this type seems like plastic fans to me. Support your team in the good and the bad!

There's the key word right there. Support your team,which we all do. The manager is someone to be rated or not ,liked or not just like any player.

[Henri 115]

Plastic fan hmm...

So you got the answer to the question what is a real fan?. I prefare

ignorance is bliss.

[eldo 868]

Well I'm not following Serie A to that extent currently. There are 2 things I can perhaps comment on, about that.

1. The pace of Serie A. Admittedly the pace of the football has improved over the last few years but generally it is still a very tactical battle in Italy, attacking is done systematically and is organised. It why the "old guard" don't have problems when it comes to lasting the entire game, because there's not as much running as there is in the Premier League & La Liga. Milan have some good youth amongst their ranks; Pato, Boateng, Amelia, Merkel (who will be amazing one day!), Sokratis ect.. I was very shocked to see them sign 35-year old Yepes & 33-year old Van Bommel in January. The singing of Cassano was positive, though he's 28, he still plays very well. I'd agree with those fans that players like Gattuso, Ambrosini & Zambrotta need to make way now.
2. The decline in form of Inter Milan & Juventus. Everyone knows what happened when Mourinho left Inter Milan and Rafa took the hotseat.. In a word, chaos. The players weren't happy, the fans weren't happy & Moratti was unhappy. This reflected in the performance of the Nerazzurri, where they failed at basic defending (probably Benitez using zonal marking again!), basic attacking & basic logic. Standard policy when Mourinho leaves a team, hell breaks loose . Juventus have been on the decline for a while now, they haven't been as competitive as they used to be, and they've basically become the Liverpool of Serie A. Del Piero will not last long now & Buffon's having his share of problems. Even Roma (AC's other rivals last season) were in disarray, their sacking of Ranieri epitomised that!

Like I said, I don't follow Serie A as much any more, so those are the only explanations I can offer currently.

Yes players can be good in Serie A even when they are in their mid/late thirties. But they are much injury prone then, that's the reason behinf Milans troubles this season. They do need some of the strengthening in midfield and defence.

Imo it was the same story when Carlo was their coach. Their squad wasn't balanced.

Rafa was awful choice for Inter, but Leonardo is leading them into a right way now. The next round in Serie A will be important becouse Inter are only 2 points behind Milan.

[Guest justin_3d]

<br />You're still not grasping the concept. Of course, all of us here, will back the club through thick and thin! We support our players & management regardless of if we think they should be there or not. Support and opinion is <b>completely different</b>. It's like saying you support your country (out of a deluded sense of 'patriotism') but not favouring your President. You support everyone, but you have your own opinion about things like management.<br /><br />For example myself, I don't think Kalou is a Chelsea-required player. But when he comes on, I hope he does well & I support him. Doesn't mean I think he should be here though. Do you get what I mean?<br />

<br /><br /><br />yeah but who goes from praising somebody and see him as a genius to a bad manager after a bad spell?

only flip floppers plastic fans!

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Look guys I said I was sorry for these already!

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Look guys I said I was sorry for these already!

Aha, it all makes sense! Where's the TalkChelsea advertising though