The Ancelotti Thread

[DYC. 7,542]

Well that goes both ways really.

As a matter of fact, some regulars of this forum insist that Carlo won us the double and the players are at fault for the current situation.

Yeah i don't get that too.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Well that goes both ways really.

As a matter of fact, some regulars of this forum insist that Carlo won us the double and the players are at fault for the current situation.

Yeh agree thats a bit odd.Takes two and all

Carlo fault really for same ole team selection sending subs on mega late.Players for their piss poor attitude and ablity to not run or pass the ball to the right team!! And the defending at times being like the red sea just parting randomly letting them through

[Term-X 7,891]

Our key players have never truly recovered from champions league defeats. Liverpool ghost goal, Barca 09, Moscow. Especially Drogba, our key players have what Barcelona will never have to worry about, Bad Attitude.

a complex mental state involving beliefs and feelings and values and dispositions to act in certain ways.

It's not Carlo's fault.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Our key players have never truly recovered from champions league defeats. Liverpool ghost goal, Barca 09, Moscow. Especially Drogba, our key players have what Barcelona will never have to worry about, Bad Attitude.

Very good point. Especially when the whole chemistry of your team relies on players who've witnessed all these events; Lampard & Drogba (Terry too, but he hasn't been so bad). That's why vs Inter we played so cautiously, the did not want all those painful emotions coming back because of a lapse in concentration.. Yet in over thinking, that very thing happened.

It's a good point certainly. Which is why fresh players are essential.

[Term-X 7,891]

Very good point. Especially when the whole chemistry of your team relies on players who've witnessed all these events; Lampard & Drogba (Terry too, but he hasn't been so bad). That's why vs Inter we played so cautiously, the did not want all those painful emotions coming back because of a lapse in concentration.. Yet in over thinking, that very thing happened.

It's a good point certainly. Which is why fresh players are essential.

Player psychology is a no-go area for fans, because the subject is far too expansive and it's something we can never truly prove. Although the recent crisis is all the proof you need imo.

[Kostas 1,468]

I'd say the fans never recovered from those moments. Doubt it affects the players during non-CL games.

[Term-X 7,891]

I'd say the fans never recovered from those moments. Doubt it affects the players during non-CL games.

Watching and experiencing something are two different things.

sort of like watching clips of the 9/11 terror attacks and actually being there.

[Ollie 4,400]

That psychological UCL thing will just stop us from winning the UCL, they've won the league 3 times recently so they should be more relaxed in the prem.

The lack of form in the league is really about not having a fully fit first 11 throughout the season, lack of creativity and a cutting edge and a settled team.

[Term-X 7,891]

That psychological UCL thing will just stop us from winning the UCL, they've won the league 3 times recently so they should be more relaxed in the prem.

2 was with Mourinho, and before moscow & barca 09.

The other was the year Ronaldo left united, and even then it went down to the last game of the season! lmao.

[Ollie 4,400]

True but they all feel pressure to win the UCL, they won the league last season, they've been there, done it. They've never won the UCL and that means that even against copenhagen, we'll struggle. We haven't been convincing in any Champions League game for a long time. Specially in the KO rounds. Even when we're flying in the league, banging goals in for fun, a UCL match brings a completely different mindset on certain players. Even DD has witnessed those horrible moments except 2004.

2004 Semi, 2-0 up, cruising. Monaco get a handball goal before h/t, game changes, match ends 2-2. All because of a handball goal from Ibarra. People forget that.

2005 Semi, from handball goal to ghost goal and that Gudjohnsen miss at the end

2006 round of 16, very dubious Del Horno red card helped us lose to Barca

2007 semi, Bloody pens and DD misses a sitter from under the bar...

2008 final, hit the woodwork twice, goes to pens, miss penalty to win, then lose

2009 semi, denied at least 3 clear penalties, concede in the last minute to get KO'd

2010 round of 16, shoulda had 2 pens for blatant pulling in the area from corners, but tbh we were 2nd best because of the psychology of previous years.

2011, You cannot be surprised the players go into a UCL match thinking "WTF next!" We'll get through the copenhagen game probably but definitely get screwed or bottle it later on.

[spuz 143]

2011. This will be the first year where no decisions will go against us. We will just get beat,out fought,out played,fair and square. We can't go on a Luis Garcia ghost goal from 6 years ago and let it affect us. Anyway we've revenged that by knocking them scouse bastards out a few times ,so it's not the reason. Last season we should of had pens but overall Jose out thought Carlo plain and simple.

[Ollie 4,400]

yeah can imagine it, we get all the decisions in our favour but this year we just aint good enough to win it so still no UCL trophy.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

yeah can imagine it, we get all the decisions in our favour but this year we just aint good enough to win it so still no UCL trophy.

To be honest, I'd rather have us not going through, because we weren't good enough, as opposed to being screwed out of it.

[strong centreback 157]

To be honest, I'd rather have us not going through, because we weren't good enough, as opposed to being screwed out of it.

Would make a change wouldnt it.

[Swoopz 183]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/01/07/2294751/chelsea-manager-carlo-ancelotti-unfazed-by-protest-banner-at

Interesting interview.

WARNING GOAL.COM

[GodZola 630]

I see this as a test for Carlo's man management skills. He has to find the core of the problem and solve the problem before it rots away. But i hope there is no stubborness in the way to resolve the main problem, the fact is that we have had a system that has worked for a couple of years, and like every system, it comes to a point where it is needed to be updated to keep it up to the highest standard. We have already gotten read of the 'dead wood' as to say, but where is the new components to replace?

Either we need to start giving people Kakuta, Sturridge, McEarhan, PvA, Bruma, etc. a chance, or dip into the transfer pond or otherwise we are going to dwell into the abyss.

This has been my point for weeks, Ancelotti needed to shake things up after 5 or 6 games into this poor run of results, the senior players who are simply not performing need a big size 11 up their overpaid arse to get them playing and giving 100% again and you will get reaction if you start dropping them, Ancelotti has failed to do this and consequently the players know they can continue playing badly and still be picked every week. We have 5 quality young players that are champing at the bit to play so why not use them to give them some much needed experience and for me its a win-win situation for Ancelotti as he can use them to drop the senior players and therefore get a reaction to spur them into performing again.

I also agree that Ancelotti has to change the formation, we are playing far too deep and with Mikel, Ramires and or Essien playing behind the back four there is little or no service to the attackers, i would like us to go back to a 4-4-2 formation with Drogba and Anelka up top, with Lamps in behind and Sturridge and Kakuta flying on the flanks, Essien mopping up the scraps and i would also put in Van Aanholt ahead of Cole. I would also give Bruma a run at right back and make sure MacEachran gets more game time, lets face it we can't do any worse than we are now!

Ancelotti has kept with the same formation and the same personnel through this poor spell when Jose for example would of ripped things apart long ago including some of the senior players, he would also not let the likes of Carvalho or Ballack leave and would of made a stand for Wilkins so for me he has to -;

1, Grow some bollocks.

2, Stop being underminded.

3, Ask to be given a kitty to get at least 2 quality players in the window.

4, Change Personnel and give youth a chance.

5, Change formation.

If all that fails then we Fucked!

[Kostas 1,468]

^ He has got himself in such a position that he can't afford taking such risks in the league anymore. Shaking things up would be far easier in November and December but now we'll be practically fighting "relegation" to the Europa league spots.

If dropping Drogba for 45 minutes was the best he could do in December then I can't expect anything more than Kalou>Anelka or Ferreira>Bosingwa from now on.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

^ He has got himself in such a position that he can't afford taking such risks in the league anymore. Shaking things up would be far easier in November and December but now we'll be practically fighting "relegation" to the Europa league spots.

If dropping Drogba for 45 minutes was the best he could do in December then I can't expect anything more than Kalou>Anelka or Ferreira>Bosingwa from now on.

Sad, but true.

Perhaps once we do have a good foot placed on 4^th he may become a bit more adventurous. Though, this is more of a fantasy than it is a possible reality.

[Term-X 7,891]

Roman Abramovich to fly in for Chelsea showdown with Carlo Ancelotti

http://www.dailymail...-Ancelotti.html

[Cloudy 6]

From the pre-match press conference:

"Roman never asked me to win. He asked me that his team play exciting football, this is our aim."

Sounds like Arsenal. How would most of our fans cope with not winning anything for the next 5 years?