EskWeston 696 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Cole had a pretty poor game by all accounts.Would there have been a story had it been JT comming on? Can't see what the difference is to be honest and what there is to get all hot and bothered about.....How quickly the tabloid garbage suddenly becomes fact when it suits your opinion/agenda, no wonder the press keep writing the Chelsea hatred stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_kura 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 now here's a question, would everyone still be questioning it had jose done it?it is not about who done it. avram just showed us what an idiot he is in term of man management. And we know Cole is pissed off how???? THE SUN..... Those bastions of truth and honesty. Seriously this isn't worth even discussing.a normal person will get pissed off or disheartened or feel being back-stabbed either in football or in other occupation.the compilation of avram's foolishness in club football management is getting thicker and thicker every week. please any roman advisor, please coax roman to sack avram it start to effect the result. btw there is no attractive football to roman's liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,362 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Cole had a pretty poor game by all accounts.Would there have been a story had it been JT comming on? Can't see what the difference is to be honest and what there is to get all hot and bothered about.....How quickly the tabloid garbage suddenly becomes fact when it suits your opinion/agenda, no wonder the press keep writing the Chelsea hatred stories.Not getting hot and bothered - it just highlights what a divisive liabilty to the team the mercenary charlatan is.Not just the tabloids The facts were he was publicly bollocked him, was left out of the squad for Fulham and it seems Grant in some wanky way is trying to curry favour with the Chelsea Bridge contingent. Grant has tried to ingratiate himself with Drogba several times . When Mourinho was there and Grant was hovering behind him -Drogba came off, Grant leant forward to pat him , and Drogba physically reeled away. That was funny in a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misschief 24 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Cole had a pretty poor game by all accounts.Would there have been a story had it been JT comming on? Can't see what the difference is to be honest and what there is to get all hot and bothered about.....How quickly the tabloid garbage suddenly becomes fact when it suits your opinion/agenda, no wonder the press keep writing the Chelsea hatred stories.Of course there wouldnt be a story if it was JT coming on, he is the captain, Drogba isnt and hasnt been so the only agenda was a pathetic attempt to kiss arse.So Cole didnt have a good game, is publicly showing no faith in him going to inspire a great performance in his next game? Hmm, great man management skills from the special needs one there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_kura 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 to who ever seem to back grunt, the point is avram's man management skills is a fart, and is does shows. it is not about how the papers try to dramatise this situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Of course there wouldnt be a story if it was JT coming on, he is the captain, Drogba isnt and hasnt been so the only agenda was a pathetic attempt to kiss arse.So Cole didnt have a good game, is publicly showing no faith in him going to inspire a great performance in his next game? Hmm, great man management skills from the special needs one there.Why wouldn't publicly showing now faith inspire him to play better? Happens all the time, sometimes a kick up the backside works a treat. Jose did it with Joe Cole plenty of times and worked.I am sure there is some sort of ranking as far as captains go, for me it would be JT, Ballack, Didier, Lamps and so on, so i see no reason to not give the armband to Drogba.Let me make myself clear, because this is turning into a "for and against Grant" debate again. I am in no way declaring my admiration for Avram Grant, nor am i trying to stick up for him - the point i am making is that this is a wanky story based on little fact or knowledge that is printed in dodgy papers to help them sell said dodgy papers and to try to destabalise Chelsea.... :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changingman2000 35 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 so, can we just clear it up then?, we are all saying Grant is a cunt?Motion carried? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misschief 24 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 As long as he keeps giving them this sort of ammunition they'll keep firing the gun. Strikes me though we wont even be needing the papers help to destabilise us if Grant continues to make uneducated and ill-thought out decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misschief 24 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 so, can we just clear it up then?, we are all saying Grant is a cunt?Motion carried?In his defence, I have just explained to a Villa fan how he's that good that luck had nothing to do with our result this weekend, he's actually that good he allowed for the OG in training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Grant has tried to ingratiate himself with Drogba several times . When Mourinho was there and Grant was hovering behind him -Drogba came off, Grant leant forward to pat him , and Drogba physically reeled away. That was funny in a way.I don't blame Drogba, he was always very loyal to Mourinho.But lets be honest if Grant tried to pat me, I'd be reeling away in horror too!I think that is what Grant has spent his whole life doing though to get where he is today, toadying up to people to try and ingratiate himself into their good books so he can leach off them later on.He's meant to be a very good at it by all accounts, hence his association with Roman and coming out of nowhere to cries of "Avram who?".If you listen to him you can hear him talking about the various figures he knows in football, this guy is a serious networker despite his anonymous looks and lack of obvious charisma.It will be interesting to see how much further Chelsea can take him, now he's got real power to do what he wants or should that be what Roman wants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 (edited) Drogba overall a better prospect. But its the fickle nature and the indecisiveness. It would have surely been sensible to keep the same captain for the whole game, rather than fucking off Cole ?That's what I think.You either trust Cole to be a leader and know he can do it or you don't and if you have doubts then don't make him captain.What is much worse and harms a player's ego (and Cole surely has one) is to strip them of the captaincy DURING a game and give it to a player (even if Drogba) who is only coming on for the last five minutes.Grant is apparently renowed for his psychological and man managements skills - well way to go Grant that is now one pissed off player for no reason. And yes if Jose had done that I would have thought exactly the same thing it is just not good man management. But you know what? I don't think Jose would ever have done something so stupid, unlike Grant he actually has genuine intuition as to how to handle players for almost every occasion (Sheva excluded he's a lost cause) and he would never have wanted to embarrass Cole in such a way. He would have found some other method to let him know he was not that happy.Grant should know by now who his leaders are not just pass the parcel with the armband. So if this story is true he has embarrassed Cole, made him feel bad and generated antipathy when he is meant to be creating a feeling of all for one and one for all kind of mentality.He needs to learn from some things Mourinho did and not dismiss everything in the past as not being good enough for "new Chelsea". Edited January 7, 2008 by pluto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Let me make myself clear, because this is turning into a "for and against Grant" debate again. I am in no way declaring my admiration for Avram Grant, nor am i trying to stick up for him - the point i am making is that this is a wanky story based on little fact or knowledge that is printed in dodgy papers to help them sell said dodgy papers and to try to destabalise Chelsea.... :thumbsup:I never thought otherwise actually but I can believe this story, I can believe a lot of stories that come out, are dismissed by fans, players, managers and clubs alike as bullsh*t and weeks or months later come out as being true.So being cynical helps but being realistic that some stories do have an element of truth in that at times - may be - helps as well.Well it works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_kura 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 (edited) Why wouldn't publicly showing now faith inspire him to play better? Happens all the time, sometimes a kick up the backside works a treat. Jose did it with Joe Cole plenty of times and worked.I am sure there is some sort of ranking as far as captains go, for me it would be JT, Ballack, Didier, Lamps and so on, so i see no reason to not give the armband to Drogba.Let me make myself clear, because this is turning into a "for and against Grant" debate again. I am in no way declaring my admiration for Avram Grant, nor am i trying to stick up for him - the point i am making is that this is a wanky story based on little fact or knowledge that is printed in dodgy papers to help them sell said dodgy papers and to try to destabalise Chelsea.... :thumbsup:sorry, i had misunderstood your intention but i think the players already know that what kind of situation that roman had put them into when he hired grunt. by judging on his reaction, i do believe that a.cole is kinda pissed off or sullking when he was told to give the armband to drogba. jose had done the public comments on joe cole but he added up with some honesty, about j.cole's show boating, didnt help the team to defend etc so that the player could learn from his mistake. while avram just claimed that drogba is a leader, not on how bad a.cole had been performing that day. unfortunately, joe cole has become his former self, after mourinho had gone.grunt has called himself a ordinary one, an attractive football merchant, a person who know to handle big ego, a motivator etc but the only none is true. he is not ordinary, he is an ignorant. Edited January 7, 2008 by joe_kura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misschief 24 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Grant is apparently renowed for his psychological and man managements skillsYou have to be kidding me???? Shipman was more tactful than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesthetic Relic 301 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 If I'm wrong on this please say so.......Even if it was JT coming on I dont thin that Jose would have taken the armband off Cole and given it to Terry.I cant think of any other time when this has ever happened. I have seen players who were the club captain come on as a sub and the vice captain continues to wear the armband. I know Cole isnt the vice captain, but he's a very experienced player. wether he had a shit game or not thats not the way to treat a player no matter who he is. If you trust him with the armband at least stick it out and do something about it after the game.What he has done is draw attention to something that didnt need to be made a big deal out of. All he had to do was not give Cole the armband again and this would never have been a topic at all. If he wanted to take it off him he should have subbed him and any problems would have been gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto 0 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 You have to be kidding me???? Shipman was more tactful than him.I kid you not.Grant according to an article I read in The Guardian a month or so back, is renowed for his ability to get on with players and make them do what he wants and to get inside their heads so to speak. He apparently has read every coaching manual in the book and even went to the USA to study coaching techniques with the gridiron teams to see how they manage players.So when you next see Grant and think "what a smug git" remember that for Grant there is a reason for this smugness, he really does think he knows it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misschief 24 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I kid you not.He apparently has read every coaching manual in the book and even went to the USA to study coaching techniques with the gridiron teams to see how they manage players.Whatever he paid for that, he was robbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesthetic Relic 301 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I kid you not.Grant according to an article I read in The Guardian a month or so back, is renowed for his ability to get on with players and make them do what he wants and to get inside their heads so to speak. He apparently has read every coaching manual in the book and even went to the USA to study coaching techniques with the gridiron teams to see how they manage players.So when you next see Grant and think "what a smug git" remember that for Grant there is a reason for this smugness, he really does think he knows it all.I did hear that before.....That was one of the reasons he was brought in...apparently to get the best out of Sheva, and also because they were close friends..... Didnt Jose do all that too.......wasnt a great player, but learnt his stuff by educating himself.God knows what manuals Grunt was reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,362 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I kid you not..... to study coaching techniques with the gridiron teams to see how they manage players.This the book he tried to read...I kid you nothttp://www.archwaysbooks.com/si/13462.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesthetic Relic 301 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 This the book he tried to read...I kid you nothttp://www.archwaysbooks.com/si/13462.htmlThats were the problem is......he thinks its American football and not....."sokker" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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