You Don't Know What Your Doing.........

[joe_kura 0]

to who ever seem to back grunt, the point is avram's man management skills is a fart, and is does shows. it is not about how the papers try to dramatise this situation

[EskWeston 696]

Of course there wouldnt be a story if it was JT coming on, he is the captain, Drogba isnt and hasnt been so the only agenda was a pathetic attempt to kiss arse.

So Cole didnt have a good game, is publicly showing no faith in him going to inspire a great performance in his next game? Hmm, great man management skills from the special needs one there.

Why wouldn't publicly showing now faith inspire him to play better? Happens all the time, sometimes a kick up the backside works a treat. Jose did it with Joe Cole plenty of times and worked.

I am sure there is some sort of ranking as far as captains go, for me it would be JT, Ballack, Didier, Lamps and so on, so i see no reason to not give the armband to Drogba.

Let me make myself clear, because this is turning into a "for and against Grant" debate again. I am in no way declaring my admiration for Avram Grant, nor am i trying to stick up for him - the point i am making is that this is a wanky story based on little fact or knowledge that is printed in dodgy papers to help them sell said dodgy papers and to try to destabalise Chelsea.... :thumbsup:

[changingman2000 35]

so, can we just clear it up then?, we are all saying Grant is a cunt?

Motion carried?

[misschief 24]

As long as he keeps giving them this sort of ammunition they'll keep firing the gun. Strikes me though we wont even be needing the papers help to destabilise us if Grant continues to make uneducated and ill-thought out decisions.

[misschief 24]

so, can we just clear it up then?, we are all saying Grant is a cunt?

Motion carried?

In his defence, I have just explained to a Villa fan how he's that good that luck had nothing to do with our result this weekend, he's actually that good he allowed for the OG in training.

[pluto 0]

Grant has tried to ingratiate himself with Drogba several times . When Mourinho was there and Grant was hovering behind him -Drogba came off, Grant leant forward to pat him , and Drogba physically reeled away. That was funny in a way.

I don't blame Drogba, he was always very loyal to Mourinho.

But lets be honest if Grant tried to pat me, I'd be reeling away in horror too!

I think that is what Grant has spent his whole life doing though to get where he is today, toadying up to people to try and ingratiate himself into their good books so he can leach off them later on.

He's meant to be a very good at it by all accounts, hence his association with Roman and coming out of nowhere to cries of "Avram who?".

If you listen to him you can hear him talking about the various figures he knows in football, this guy is a serious networker despite his anonymous looks and lack of obvious charisma.

It will be interesting to see how much further Chelsea can take him, now he's got real power to do what he wants or should that be what Roman wants?

[pluto 0]

Drogba overall a better prospect. But its the fickle nature and the indecisiveness. It would have surely been sensible to keep the same captain for the whole game, rather than fucking off Cole ?

That's what I think.

You either trust Cole to be a leader and know he can do it or you don't and if you have doubts then don't make him captain.

What is much worse and harms a player's ego (and Cole surely has one) is to strip them of the captaincy DURING a game and give it to a player (even if Drogba) who is only coming on for the last five minutes.

Grant is apparently renowed for his psychological and man managements skills - well way to go Grant that is now one pissed off player for no reason.

And yes if Jose had done that I would have thought exactly the same thing it is just not good man management. But you know what? I don't think Jose would ever have done something so stupid, unlike Grant he actually has genuine intuition as to how to handle players for almost every occasion (Sheva excluded he's a lost cause) and he would never have wanted to embarrass Cole in such a way. He would have found some other method to let him know he was not that happy.

Grant should know by now who his leaders are not just pass the parcel with the armband.

So if this story is true he has embarrassed Cole, made him feel bad and generated antipathy when he is meant to be creating a feeling of all for one and one for all kind of mentality.

He needs to learn from some things Mourinho did and not dismiss everything in the past as not being good enough for "new Chelsea".

Edited January 7, 2008 by pluto

[pluto 0]

Let me make myself clear, because this is turning into a "for and against Grant" debate again. I am in no way declaring my admiration for Avram Grant, nor am i trying to stick up for him - the point i am making is that this is a wanky story based on little fact or knowledge that is printed in dodgy papers to help them sell said dodgy papers and to try to destabalise Chelsea.... :thumbsup:

I never thought otherwise actually but I can believe this story, I can believe a lot of stories that come out, are dismissed by fans, players, managers and clubs alike as bullsh*t and weeks or months later come out as being true.

So being cynical helps but being realistic that some stories do have an element of truth in that at times - may be - helps as well.

Well it works for me.

[joe_kura 0]

Why wouldn't publicly showing now faith inspire him to play better? Happens all the time, sometimes a kick up the backside works a treat. Jose did it with Joe Cole plenty of times and worked.

I am sure there is some sort of ranking as far as captains go, for me it would be JT, Ballack, Didier, Lamps and so on, so i see no reason to not give the armband to Drogba.

Let me make myself clear, because this is turning into a "for and against Grant" debate again. I am in no way declaring my admiration for Avram Grant, nor am i trying to stick up for him - the point i am making is that this is a wanky story based on little fact or knowledge that is printed in dodgy papers to help them sell said dodgy papers and to try to destabalise Chelsea.... :thumbsup:

sorry, i had misunderstood your intention but i think the players already know that what kind of situation that roman had put them into when he hired grunt. by judging on his reaction, i do believe that a.cole is kinda pissed off or sullking when he was told to give the armband to drogba.

jose had done the public comments on joe cole but he added up with some honesty, about j.cole's show boating, didnt help the team to defend etc so that the player could learn from his mistake. while avram just claimed that drogba is a leader, not on how bad a.cole had been performing that day. unfortunately, joe cole has become his former self, after mourinho had gone.

grunt has called himself a ordinary one, an attractive football merchant, a person who know to handle big ego, a motivator etc but the only none is true. he is not ordinary, he is an ignorant.

Edited January 7, 2008 by joe_kura

[misschief 24]

Grant is apparently renowed for his psychological and man managements skills

You have to be kidding me???? Shipman was more tactful than him.

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

If I'm wrong on this please say so.......

Even if it was JT coming on I dont thin that Jose would have taken the armband off Cole and given it to Terry.

I cant think of any other time when this has ever happened. I have seen players who were the club captain come on as a sub and the vice captain continues to wear the armband. I know Cole isnt the vice captain, but he's a very experienced player. wether he had a shit game or not thats not the way to treat a player no matter who he is. If you trust him with the armband at least stick it out and do something about it after the game.

What he has done is draw attention to something that didnt need to be made a big deal out of. All he had to do was not give Cole the armband again and this would never have been a topic at all. If he wanted to take it off him he should have subbed him and any problems would have been gone.

[pluto 0]

You have to be kidding me???? Shipman was more tactful than him.

I kid you not.

Grant according to an article I read in The Guardian a month or so back, is renowed for his ability to get on with players and make them do what he wants and to get inside their heads so to speak.

He apparently has read every coaching manual in the book and even went to the USA to study coaching techniques with the gridiron teams to see how they manage players.

So when you next see Grant and think "what a smug git" remember that for Grant there is a reason for this smugness, he really does think he knows it all.