The Cricket Thread

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:14, LDN Blue said:

It's not cricket.

I'm not "anit-IPL" per se, I think it's a good exhibition. But it has major draw backs

• The evidence of corruption is overwhelming
• It takes so much time to get through and so many games that players return fatigued
• Represents the decline of proper cricket. Batting technique has gone out the window.
• The money is ridiculous and just makes the sport seem a bit shit.
• It's costing India, on the international scene, a lot!

Isn't the money making IPL better? Channels like Set Max r making analysis more interesting (I'm mainly referring to Gaurav Kapoor and Sidhu). More players r getting a chance to prove themselves due to the IPL. Players like James Faulkner, Sir Ravindra Jadeja, Shane Watson, Yusuf Pathan (well for the short time he was in the Indian team) have all played more international cricket due to the IPL. Hasn't the IPL given chances to more players? David Miller's also become more famous and has received more recognition since his performances with KXIP in the IPL. Due to IPL maybe even Morris could get a chance to represent South Africa.

Also how has IPL affected batting technique? I am not so sure about that.

  On 23/05/2013 at 15:16, Madmax said:

Because it's about everything other than actual cricket.

Isn't the aim of the IPL to make cricket more popular world wide? I mean the NBA has an all star weekend (I am referring to the 'entertainment' factor which ppl r criticising) and people claim the IPL is a lot like the NBA, but I've not really heard the same complaints about the NBA.

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:30, NishC300 said:

Isn't the money making IPL better? Channels like Set Max r making analysis more interesting (I'm mainly referring to Gaurav Kapoor and Sidhu). More players r getting a chance to prove themselves due to the IPL. Players like James Faulkner, Sir Ravindra Jadeja, Shane Watson, Yusuf Pathan (well for the short time he was in the Indian team) have all played more international cricket due to the IPL. Hasn't the IPL given chances to more players? David Miller's also become more famous and has received more recognition since his performances with KXIP in the IPL. Due to IPL maybe even Morris could get a chance to represent South Africa.

Also how has IPL affected batting technique? I am not so sure about that.

It's not giving players a proper platform. We've seen it over and over with India, players who are prominent in IPL can't apply those same skills into ODI and even Test match. Players like Yusuf are fantastic in IPL where it's about strength in batting. But in an ODI &/or test they're useless because they don't know how to pace their innings and play proper cricket. How many players that have come through the Indian national team, after being seen in the PL, have done well across the different formats? Jadeja. Just about, I'm not convinced by him in the test format, though he is useful in ODI.

IPL has severly affected batting technique. Proper batting in cricket is about timing, shot selection and pacing your innings. In T20 it's about strength. You can miss time the ball, but if you hit it with enough power it's gone for 6. That's not proper batting. You don't see the classic on-drive and off-drive in T20. Test match cricket is what developed the legacies of Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Zaheer Khan. If IPL was around in that era, these players would've never gotten their chance.

The Ranji Trophy is the only thing India should base their selections on. After all, that where Virat Kholi was picked from.

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Also many ppl r saying how T20 is not actual cricket and is destroying technique etc due to which they are blaming IPL but IPL isn't the only T20 tournament. There's the Big Bash, BPL and other tournaments too. Also T20 cricket was created in England so why is everyone saying IPL is a source of 'problems' in cricket.

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:30, NishC300 said:

Isn't the money making IPL better? Channels like Set Max r making analysis more interesting (I'm mainly referring to Gaurav Kapoor and Sidhu). More players r getting a chance to prove themselves due to the IPL. Players like James Faulkner, Sir Ravindra Jadeja, Shane Watson, Yusuf Pathan (well for the short time he was in the Indian team) have all played more international cricket due to the IPL. Hasn't the IPL given chances to more players? David Miller's also become more famous and has received more recognition since his performances with KXIP in the IPL. Due to IPL maybe even Morris could get a chance to represent South Africa.

Also how has IPL affected batting technique? I am not so sure about that.

Isn't the aim of the IPL to make cricket more popular world wide? I mean the NBA has an all star weekend (I am referring to the 'entertainment' factor which ppl r criticising) and people claim the IPL is a lot like the NBA, but I've not really heard the same complaints about the NBA.

Interesting is not the word. Entertaining is! Interesting is when you hear Dravid, Border and Bhogle talking about cricket.

Yes, players have gained recognition and have been selected in their national teams but have they made the cut for the test team which is considered the holy form of Cricket? Have you heard of Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi? He was India's first captain to win a series abroad. I was reading his son's interview! His son did not have a sound technique according to the man himself and he told him "Don't bother making you career in Cricket, you will never play test cricket"

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:36, LDN Blue said:

It's not giving players a proper platform. We've seen it over and over with India, players who are prominent in IPL can't apply those same skills into ODI and even Test match. Players like Yusuf are fantastic in IPL where it's about strength in batting. But in an ODI &/or test they're useless because they don't know how to pace their innings and play proper cricket. How many players that have come through the Indian national team, after being seen in the PL, have done well across the different formats? Jadeja. Just about, I'm not convinced by him in the test format, though he is useful in ODI.

The Ranji Trophy is the only thing India should base their selections on. After all, that where Virat Kholi was picked from.

Case in point, Vinay Kumar, Dinesh Karthik, Amit Mishra and Rohit Sharma picked for Champions Trophy because of IPL

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:38, NishC300 said:

Also many ppl r saying how T20 is not actual cricket and is destroying technique etc due to which they are blaming IPL but IPL isn't the only T20 tournament. There's the Big Bash, BPL and other tournaments too. Also T20 cricket was created in England so why is everyone saying IPL is a source of 'problems' in cricket.

We are talking about India's problem here! Hence IPL bashing. But on the other hand, do you see bollywood and politics being involved in Big Bash, English T20 league. No, they have atleast kept the sanity of the game. IPL hasn't even kept that! In the name of entertainment, they are banging the actual cricket left, right and center!

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:40, Strike said:

Case in point, Vinay Kumar, Dinesh Karthik, Amit Mishra and Rohit Sharma picked for Champions Trophy because of IPL

Exactly.

Out of all those, only Rohit Sharma should be there because he's actually a good over all player, that's yet to be given his chance. Karthik, Kumar & Mishra are all coming from on-form of a T20 competition to a format 30 overs longer. Hence, why I have no hopes India will make it to the semi's.

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:36, LDN Blue said:

It's not giving players a proper platform. We've seen it over and over with India, players who are prominent in IPL can't apply those same skills into ODI and even Test match. Players like Yusuf are fantastic in IPL where it's about strength in batting. But in an ODI &/or test they're useless because they don't know how to pace their innings and play proper cricket. How many players that have come through the Indian national team, after being seen in the PL, have done well across the different formats? Jadeja. Just about, I'm not convinced by him in the test format, though he is useful in ODI.

IPL has severly affected batting technique. Proper batting in cricket is about timing, shot selection and pacing your innings. In T20 it's about strength. You can miss time the ball, but if you hit it with enough power it's gone for 6. That's not proper batting. You don't see the classic on-drive and off-drive in T20. Test match cricket is what developed the legacies of Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Zaheer Khan. If IPL was around in that era, these players would've never gotten their chance.

The Ranji Trophy is the only thing India should base their selections on. After all, that where Virat Kholi was picked from.

I guess I agree that technique can suffer now that u stated it but players can adapt. I made the point about T20 cricket is not just IPL in the above post. Even if IPL wasn't around, players would still play other tournaments of T20 so their technique (which some ppl claim) would have been destroyed anyways.

Also nobody is forcing selectors to select for ODI/Test based on IPL.

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:38, NishC300 said:

Also many ppl r saying how T20 is not actual cricket and is destroying technique etc due to which they are blaming IPL but IPL isn't the only T20 tournament. There's the Big Bash, BPL and other tournaments too. Also T20 cricket was created in England so why is everyone saying IPL is a source of 'problems' in cricket.

T20 cricket isn't the problem though. T20 is fine, occasionally, the T20WC was a great showing.

It's the impact it's having on the national squad, the corruption etc.

  On 23/05/2013 at 15:46, NishC300 said:

Also nobody is forcing selectors to select for ODI/Test based on IPL.

No-one is forcing them. But the fact is, they are..

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:30, NishC300 said:

Isn't the aim of the IPL to make cricket more popular world wide? I mean the NBA has an all star weekend (I am referring to the 'entertainment' factor which ppl r criticising) and people claim the IPL is a lot like the NBA, but I've not really heard the same complaints about the NBA.

I've never watched NBA. Just can't get into those American sports lol.

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:39, Ankit said:

Interesting is not the word. Entertaining is! Interesting is when you hear Dravid, Border and Bhogle talking about cricket.

Yes, players have gained recognition and have been selected in their national teams but have they made the cut for the test team which is considered the holy form of Cricket? Have you heard of Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi? He was India's first captain to win a series abroad. I was reading his son's interview! His son did not have a sound technique according to the man himself and he told him "Don't bother making you career in Cricket, you will never play test cricket"

Saif Ali Khan wanted to be in cricket!?!?

Hasn't Shane Watson played more test matches than before he was in IPL? Did Faulkner not get selected for the Ashes due to his performance in the IPL?

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:50, Madmax said:

I've never watched NBA. Just can't get into those American sports lol.

Neither have I but I am just saying from what I have heard. I saw the final Game 6 in 2011 though and it was gr8!

The nba commissioner, David Stern, was saying that the IPL is a lot like the NBA when he came to see an IPL match earlier this season.

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:50, NishC300 said:

Saif Ali Khan wanted to be in cricket!?!?

Hasn't Shane Watson played more test matches than before he was in IPL? Did Faulkner not get selected for the Ashes due to his performance in the IPL?

Faulkner's selection wasn't based on IPL. He was a natural selection for Australia prior.

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:46, NishC300 said:

I guess I agree that technique can suffer now that u stated it but players can adapt. I made the point about T20 cricket is not just IPL in the above post. Even if IPL wasn't around, players would still play other tournaments of T20 so their technique (which some ppl claim) would have been destroyed anyways.

Also nobody is forcing selectors to select for ODI/Test based on IPL.

That's the point. Most of the T20 player can never adapt to Test Cricket. Eg: Yusuf Pathan, but on the other hand you have Rahul Dravid.

Selectors here are blind fucks!

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:48, LDN Blue said:

T20 cricket isn't the problem though. T20 is fine, occasionally, the T20WC was a great showing.

It's the impact it's having on the national squad, the corruption etc.

No-one is forcing them. But the fact is, they are..

If T20 cricket isn't the problem then why r we saying IPL is a problem since IPL is T20? I didn't really get the corruption part.

tbh it's the selector's selection stupidity (alliteration lol!), we can't blame the IPL for their poor selection.

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:50, NishC300 said:

Saif Ali Khan wanted to be in cricket!?!?

Hasn't Shane Watson played more test matches than before he was in IPL? Did Faulkner not get selected for the Ashes due to his performance in the IPL?

Saif Ali Khan was told not to pursue it when he was young by his dad. Who wouldn't want to follow their legendary father's footsteps.

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:53, Ankit said:

That's the point. Most of the T20 player can never adapt to Test Cricket. Eg: Yusuf Pathan, but on the other hand you have Rahul Dravid.

Selectors here are blind fucks!

As I stated in my above post we can't destroy IPL due to fucked up selectors.

Sorry m8 but I still fail to realise how IPL is destroying technique when even if there wasn't an IPL there would still be T20 around to 'destroy technique'.

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  On 23/05/2013 at 15:44, LDN Blue said:

Exactly.

Out of all those, only Rohit Sharma should be there because he's actually a good over all player, that's yet to be given his chance. Karthik, Kumar & Mishra are all coming from on-form of a T20 competition to a format 30 overs longer. Hence, why I have no hopes India will make it to the semi's.

Patience will be the key. Too often teams go for 300+ and end up with 220 in ODI's. Keeping wickets in hand more important in England and this team, Kohli aside, doesn't have players who can tuck in and build an innings.

Why wasn't Pujara picked again?