25. Moisés Caicedo

[dimmas 130]

On 07/07/2024 at 22:48, NikkiCFC said:

It's up to manager. We have everything you want in our midfielders. Are we gonna have best midfield in the world or getting outplayed by Bournemouth It's completely on Maresca. First of all, they need to be played on right positions because everyone seems to have different idea where Enzo and Caicedo should play. Imo best for both is number 8 with Lavia behind. I don't see them working as solo 6 or in pivot together. Caicedo is fine in pivot with Gallagher or Lavia. Also Enzo is not good up as number 10. If Palmer or KDH are involved in MF Enzo should be dropped. 

enlighten me, did Maresca use Caicedo as a solo 6 in City's match? It was a truly atrocious performance from him.
I hope Maresca never uses Caicedo in that role again, but I'm afraid he will keep trying. He looks poor as a DM, don't ask him to fill that role.

What worries me more is that Caicedo doesn't even have good positional play. He still has very poor awareness. He can't shield the critical area in the center of the pitch, and he makes amateurish mistakes under slight pressure. It's sad to see.

In this current setup, Lavia is much, much better than Caicedo. While Lavia looks very capable as DM, Caicedo seems too amateurish to play this role

Edited August 6, 2024 by dimmas

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

6 hours ago, dimmas said:

enlighten me, did Maresca use Caicedo as a solo 6 in City's match? It was a truly atrocious performance from him.
I hope Maresca never uses Caicedo in that role again, but I'm afraid he will keep trying. He looks poor as a DM, don't ask him to fill that role.

What worries me more is that Caicedo doesn't even have good positional play. He still has very poor awareness. He can't shield the critical area in the center of the pitch, and he makes amateurish mistakes under slight pressure. It's sad to see.

In this current setup, Lavia is much, much better than Caicedo. While Lavia looks very capable as DM, Caicedo seems too amateurish to play this role

And you based all that on his first pre season game? Even though he's had less time to get to grips with the system, good work fella 👌

[Mhsc 1,091]

11 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

And you based all that on his first pre season game? Even though he's had less time to get to grips with the system, good work fella 👌

Am I losing my mind or did Caicedo not finish the season playing as a 6 with Cucu inverting to play next to him? And did he not look absolutely world class at all times?

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

17 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

Am I losing my mind or did Caicedo not finish the season playing as a 6 with Cucu inverting to play next to him? And did he not look absolutely world class at all times?

No mate, your not loosing your mind, I fear a few others have though 

[robsblubot 3,595]

He did improve a lot from his early games, in which he was pretty much a liability costing us points.

You take the whole season tho, and for me, he wasn't that great; certainly not the player people claimed he was at Brighton.

I expect him to resume playing at a good level (not his early season form), but I wouldn't project his end of the season form towards this season. Way too many variables esp around fitness levels and other sides losing interest. We were one of the few clubs still playing for something in the end.

We also need to take into account the new manager and system.

[King Kante 1,643]

On 06/08/2024 at 11:03, Mhsc said:

Am I losing my mind or did Caicedo not finish the season playing as a 6 with Cucu inverting to play next to him? And did he not look absolutely world class at all times?

Erm, no. Caicedo played well in the last month of the season, however I wouldn't say it was world class and I would also point to the fact that this only happened due to Cucu and Gallagher doing the heavy lifting that he had proven to be incapable of doing all season. 

I said last season that when Lavia gets fit, he takes Caicedo's place owing to his better technical skill and understanding of the deep lying CM role - I base this on what I saw of Lavia at Soton and Caicedo last year. For me, Caicedo either ends up:

a) in the utility role RDZ put him in at Brighton (as he also recognised his technical limits/physical gift to run around a lot - a fact that gets brushed over)

b) his starting minutes in CM will come when we have to play really defensive as he isn't getting in ahead of Fernadez as the ball playing CM. 

c) we move to a midfield three. 

He may start for the first couple of months owing to his fee, but if Lavia can stay fit and pick up Enzo's system, he will soon lose his place to him in a double pivot.

[ulvhedin 525]

any news about yesterday injury?

[Fernando 6,585]

I remember dreaming of having Caicedo and Enzo for midfielder before we sign them. 

And last season I was a bit worried about this dream but I'm staring to see why I so much wanted this partnership.

Edited September 21, 2024 by Fernando

[Thor 2,689]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

I remember dreaming of having Caicedo and Enzo for midfielder before we sign them. 

And last season I was a bit worried about this dream but I'm staring to see why I so much wanted this partnership.

Caicedo is holding up his end - Enzo needs to step up his level of play. Feel like Enzo needs to be in a 3 man midfield. 

[Fernando 6,585]

10 hours ago, Thor said:

Caicedo is holding up his end - Enzo needs to step up his level of play. Feel like Enzo needs to be in a 3 man midfield. 

This is where lavia would have fit like a glove. But he is always injured..... 

[Stats 7,136]

I always stood up for him in this thread. I remember he was getting unfairly bashed. I said people need to look at his age and the fact that he has not fully settled, however once fully settled he is going to be the player we saw at Brighton and we are starting to see that. Brilliant performance yesterday. Won virtually all his duels and also controlled the tempo. He played an identical pass for Jackson last season when we beat the Hammers 5-0 at the Bridge.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Caicedo had an excellent game against a very poor WHU (us vs them too soon to tell), but I thought Enzo was also good. Cuccu movement behind them worked last season and seems to be working once again.

The trick is to make the midfield look like a five-people midfield without having 5 CMs in there.
When I started watching football, teams routinely employed 4 CMs. 2 holding + 2 in more advanced positions with lots of variations of course. That's no longer the case because it's no longer necessary given the intensity and movement from all players. Teams do not end up with fewer players in that area though... quite the opposite esp the better sides.

WHU match was very weird like a training session. I think we played well, but WHU did not show that day.

Edited September 23, 2024 by robsblubot