Multi Team Ownership

[NikkiCFC 7,589]

What happened to our Portuguese club? Just Strasbourg? 

[Fernando 6,376]

On 30/07/2023 at 08:50, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Good info. 

Well let's hope we can do other teams after the French team. Portugal as they said makes sense, but let's see if it can be done. 

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On 30/07/2023 at 14:50, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Boavista F.C. (Porto)

or

C.F. Os Belenenses (Lisbon)

in Portugal 

 

CR Vasco da Gama (Rio de Janeiro)

or

Fluminense FC (Rio de Janeiro)

or

Botafogo de Futebol e Regatas (Rio de Janeiro)

in Brasil

 

Sociedade Esportiva Palmeiras, Sport Club Corinthians, and São Paulo FC (all in São Paulo) and Clube de Regatas do Flamengo (Rio), are all likely too big to swallow, and Santos FC turned us down  

no point to buying a club not in Rio or São Paulo IMHO

 

although Sport Club Internacional and Grêmio Foot-Ball Porto Alegrense (both in Porto Alegre) might be potential buys

same for Cruzeiro Esporte Clube and Clube Atlético Mineiro (both in Belo Horizonte)

and

Club Athletico Paranaense aka CAP (Curitiba)

all 5 are big clubs

 

and (but we are really pushing it now) the last 4:

Coritiba Foot Ball Club (Curitiba) or Esporte Clube Bahia (Salvador) or Guarani Futebol Clube (Campinas) or, finally, Sport Club do Recife, (Recife)

no other Brasilian clubs are worth buying, too small and unlike Europe, it is crazy hard to attract great players to other clubs I did not list

 

 

[King Kante 1,301]

45 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Boavista F.C. (Porto)

or

C.F. Os Belenenses (Lisbon)

in Portugal 

 

CR Vasco da Gama (Rio de Janeiro)

or

Fluminense FC (Rio de Janeiro)

or

Botafogo de Futebol e Regatas (Rio de Janeiro)

in Brasil

 

Sociedade Esportiva Palmeiras, Sport Club Corinthians, and São Paulo FC (all in São Paulo) and Clube de Regatas do Flamengo (Rio), are all likely too big to swallow, and Santos FC turned us down  

no point to buying a club not in Rio or São Paulo IMHO

 

although Sport Club Internacional and Grêmio Foot-Ball Porto Alegrense (both in Porto Alegre) might be potential buys

same for Cruzeiro Esporte Clube and Clube Atlético Mineiro (both in Belo Horizonte)

and

Club Athletico Paranaense aka CAP (Curitiba)

all 5 are big clubs

 

and (but we are really pushing it now) the last 4:

Coritiba Foot Ball Club (Curitiba) or Esporte Clube Bahia (Salvador) or Guarani Futebol Clube (Campinas) or, finally, Sport Club do Recife, (Recife)

no other Brasilian clubs are worth buying, too small and unlike Europe, it is crazy hard to attract great players to other clubs I did not list

 

 

I think with a Portuguese club it doesn't really matter which one the club/Blueco eventually buys, as that league is dominated by the big three and all the others are essentially 'second teams' for the locals to see live football. For me, a team like Estoril would be a good shout as they're close to Lisbon. Another team, would be Santa Clara - although that is maybe just me thinking of how cool it would be to have a team based in the Azores. 

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2 hours ago, King Kante said:

I think with a Portuguese club it doesn't really matter which one the club/Blueco eventually buys, as that league is dominated by the big three and all the others are essentially 'second teams' for the locals to see live football. For me, a team like Estoril would be a good shout as they're close to Lisbon. Another team, would be Santa Clara - although that is maybe just me thinking of how cool it would be to have a team based in the Azores. 

If you wanted to boost up a club to take on the Big 3, then Braga would be it, bit they are under the Qatari umbrella already

Other options (besides Boavista (2001) and Belenenses (1946), who are the only 2 non Big clubs to have won the topflight league) would be Vitória Futebol Clube, from Setúbal, a suburb of Lisbon, Académica de Coimbra (Coimbra), who have collapsed, down the the third tier, Vitória de Guimarães (Guimarães), G.D. Estoril Praia (who you already mentioned), Rio Ave Futebol Clube (Via do Conde), F.C. Paços de Ferreira (Porto area), Gil Vicente F.C.(Barcelos, near Braga), Sporting Clube Farense (Faro in the Algarve), and Marítimo da Madeira, based in Funchal, on the island of Madeira.

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They are not messing around if this is real. Sporting?!? Wow if it actually happens

 

[Jype 6,398]

4 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

They are not messing around if this is real. Sporting?!? Wow if it actually happens

Would probably be good for Chelsea but that just feels wrong tbh. Sporting are a great club in their own right so reducing them to being a feeder/satellite club for Chelsea would be terrible in the larger scheme of things.

Can't say I'd be in favor of something like that. 

[OneMoSalah 8,615]

Yeah can’t see Sporting going for that.

Overly ambitious for us to try such a deal. Unless their seeing the $$$ signs based off of Boehly & Clearlakes first year in charge here and think fuck it free money but that would be a bad move for us if so.

A smaller club in the mould of Strasbourg would be the ideal. The likes of a Rio Ave, Vitoria, Boavista, Estoril etc. Much more beneficial that way, guys have more likelihood of playing, guys do well there then the likes of Porto/Sporting/Benfica maybe take notice and try get them on a loan following season. After that season, they come back, compete for places/are moved on for huge profit. That would be a pretty sound plan.

Going in and buying a huge stake in Sporting would be insane I think, plus they are competitive and usually involved in the CL so wouldn’t that not cause issues also with the multi club model when we get back in to the CL? If we get back in 😂

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23 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Boavista

💪

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[OneMoSalah 8,615]

On 23/12/2023 at 22:36, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

All well and good but maybe focus on getting things right here first. New directors of football, new medical team, some experienced guys to help the squad. Once we start getting some progress here then maybe think about feeder clubs.

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Chelsea, Strasbourg, BlueCo and a multi-club model yet to convince a sceptical fanbase

https://theathletic.com/5309634/2024/03/07/strasbourg-Chelsea-blueco-boehly-clearlake-vieira/

A young team struggling in mid-table despite significant investment. Fans regularly making their displeasure known. Constant negative scrutiny over the direction the club appears to be heading.

Chelsea followers can be forgiven for thinking this sounds familiar but this is not a piece dissecting the latest goings on at Stamford Bridge. Instead, it is about their sister club, Racing Club de Strasbourg Alsace, who are experiencing a very similar season in France.

It has been nine months since BlueCo, the company the Todd Boehly-Clearlake Capital consortium created when buying Chelsea for £2.3billion ($2.93bn) in 2022, made Strasbourg the first member of its multi-club model, purchasing 99.97 per cent of the Ligue 1 side for €76.3m (£64.9m; $83.1m).

Strasbourg president Marc Keller has been at the helm since 2012, helping the team recover from severe financial problems and demotion to the fifth tier of the French football pyramid to establish them in Ligue 1. This season is their seventh successive campaign in the top flight.

Keller felt he had to find greater investment because of increased competition from foreign takeovers at other French sides and the decision, from this season, to reduce Ligue 1 from 20 to 18 clubs. Failure to act would run the risk of Strasbourg being left behind.

It is early days in the partnership and, inevitably, there have been a few teething problems. Keller has remained in charge to run things locally and, perhaps unsurprisingly, with Strasbourg mirroring Chelsea’s plan to lower the average age of the squad, consistency has been an issue on the pitch.

Patrick Vieira’s side are the only club not to have won a Ligue 1 fixture in 2024.

That run of three draws and four defeats has seen them drop to 12th, three points above the relegation zone. Qualifying for Europe has become very unlikely and their hopes of winning any silverware ended last week with defeat on penalties to Lyon in the quarter-finals of the Coupe de France.

On the surface, there are not many reasons to be positive but, as at most clubs, the situation is nuanced. The Athletic has taken a closer look at how things are progressing.

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How is the relationship working?

Let’s start with logistics.

Every two to three months, a board meeting is held either in Strasbourg or London between Keller and BlueCo representatives. Keller reports on the situation at the Ligue 1 club, providing updates on the financial situation. 

There is less formal weekly communication, though, mainly with Chelsea co-owner Behdad Eghbali and co-sporting director Laurence Stewart, but nothing is set in stone. Others, including co-owner Boehly, are also involved on occasion.

Eghbali, Stewart and their families attended Strasbourg’s final Ligue 1 game of 2023, a 2-1 win over Lille on December 20. The BlueCo contingent joined Keller and his son, Mehdi, for lunch at Les Haras, one of Strasbourg’s finest restaurants. They also met with local dignitaries, including Strasbourg’s mayor, Jeanne Barseghian, and club staff.

Staff numbers have grown since BlueCo arrived. There have been hires to work in specialised fields such as physiotherapy, data and video analysis. Kristian Wilson, who was at New York City, Nice and Crystal Palace with Vieira, and Paul Nevin, previously with West Ham United, were added to the coaching staff. In January, a player liaison officer, who speaks English, Portuguese, French and Spanish, was brought on board. The club feel they are becoming more professional behind the scenes.

They do not automatically share the same views on everything but Strasbourg see it as a partnership rather than being subservient to an absentee owner.

Is the ‘buy young’ transfer policy BlueCo’s idea? 

It is understandable why people would draw this conclusion given targeting youth and potential has been BlueCo’s policy since taking over at Chelsea, but Keller had been planning a significant revamp of Strasbourg’s squad anyway.

The president felt too many players had been at the club for too long and that it was time for a change — but to instigate the makeover, Keller needed BlueCo’s funding.

Strasbourg spent significant amounts of money. Abakar Sylla joined from Club Bruges for a club-record €20million (plus €2m in potential add-ons). Emanuel Emegha arrived from Sturm Graz for €12m. Saidou Sow was bought from Saint-Etienne for around €4m, while Dilane Bakwa and Junior Mwanga were acquired from Bordeaux for a combined €20m. Those five players are either 20 or 21 years old.

 

Academy graduates Habib Diarra, 20, Marvin Senaya, 23, and Dion Moise Sahi, 22, have also been promoted to the senior squad. The average age of the side that lost to Paris Saint-Germain last month was 22.8, the lowest recorded in France’s top division since Reims played Brest in February 2022.

Some of the sales were sanctioned to fulfil promises made to players in the past.

Strasbourg fans were furious when Belgium goalkeeper Matz Sels was sold to Nottingham Forest for €6million on February 1, seeing it as a sign of BlueCo’s interference. However, two years earlier, Strasbourg had rejected a big offer from another club and convinced Sels to sign a new deal. As part of the negotiations, Sels insisted that, if another bid came in for him, it would have to be discussed. On hearing Forest’s offer, Sels, who turned 32 in February, made it clear he wanted to leave.

Keller spoke with Vieira, head of recruitment Loic Desire and BlueCo before the deal was ratified.

Similarly, Senegal forward Habib Diallo made a similar request after a sizeable offer for his services was rejected in 2022. In return for staying, he asked to be sold the following year should a suitable bid come in. So when Saudi Pro League club Al Shabab offered €20million last August, it was accepted, even though Strasbourg wanted to keep Diallo, 28.

Even so, there have been some issues.

Strasbourg were making progress on acquiring Davinson Sanchez, 27, from Tottenham and Gent’s Joseph Okumu, 26, last summer only for BlueCo to determine they were too old. The players ended up moving to Galatasaray and Reims.

In the months leading up to the January transfer window, Strasbourg began planning with a budget of €30million-€35m in mind. With just Chelsea loanee Angelo Gabriel, 19, and Bakwa to choose from to play on the flanks, Vieira wanted another winger as a priority, plus a left-back, but neither arrived. The only acquisitions for the second half of the season were Andrey Santos, 19, on loan from Chelsea, and 34-year-old goalkeeper Matthieu Dreyer on a free from Saint-Etienne.   

One source close to the club — who, like others in this article, spoke anonymously to The Athletic to protect relationships — claims BlueCo told Strasbourg not to sign another winger because they did not want the possibility of Angelo’s minutes being reduced.

Strasbourg dispute this, saying they had been given the go-ahead but could not secure their principal targets. One was Jean-Matteo Bahoya, who rejected them in favour of an €8million switch to Frankfurt. The Ligue 1 club were prepared to match their valuation. They also looked at Ibrahim Osman and Mohamed-Ali Cho, but Osman is joining Brighton in the summer after Nordsjaelland accepted a €19.5m bid and they could not agree a fee with Nice for Cho.

 

Before Santos made his loan move, Chelsea offered 18-year-old Brazilian forward Deivid Washington on loan instead, but sources close to the French club suggest Vieira was not keen on the idea.

There were purchases made with the future in mind in January. Milos Lukovic, an 18-year-old striker, was signed from IMT Belgrade for €4.7million plus €500,000 in add-ons and a 10 per cent sell-on. He has been loaned back to the Serbian club for the rest of the season. Pape Daouda Diong, who has already been capped by Senegal, is training with Chelsea before joining Strasbourg when he turns 18 in June.

Is Vieira under any pressure?

In the same way that Mauricio Pochettino is suffering at Stamford Bridge, Strasbourg’s form is giving Vieira difficult questions to answer.

His players were jeered by supporters during the 3-0 loss at home to Brest last month, with many fans leaving the Stade de la Meinau well before the final whistle. “It’s easy to sum up: the public were right to whistle, to leave the stadium, because the performance wasn’t up to scratch,” Vieira told Canal+. “You can’t hide. You have to take responsibility.

“Too young a team? There’s a big frustration. We’re not going to call everything into question — it’s been a long season with good and bad moments. We have to question ourselves and get back to work. We have to get our act together, take the criticism and it’s important to work.”

This calm response is typical of Vieira, who took over in the summer. Keller knows him well from their time together playing for France’s national team and, given Vieira’s record of working with young players at Manchester City, New York City, Nice and Crystal Palace, he was regarded as a good fit. The decision was discussed with BlueCo before being ratified.

Vieira, 47, likes to play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. He has his own ideas but he is prepared to listen to what his players think. For example, one of the summer signings — 21-year-old striker Emanuel Emegha — felt he would benefit from having Kevin Gameiro play more often behind him, so Vieira began using the 36-year-old more.

That was an indication of how Vieira makes decisions he thinks are right for the team and does not simply adopt everything BlueCo dictate from above.

Another example of this came with how he handled Sylla. Vieira kept the centre-back on the bench for two months this season. Weaker coaches might have felt under pressure to play the most expensive signing in the club’s history and it became one of the subjects for discussion during the regular talks between Keller and BlueCo representatives, but Vieira was left to manage as he saw fit. Sylla has started regularly since being recalled in December and looked much better in defence.

Strasbourg are content with the job Vieira is doing.

The run of eight games without defeat, which extended from December 7 to January 28 in all competitions, was a source of optimism. There were signs of progress, reminiscent of Vieira’s first season at Palace two years ago. The unbeaten streak ended in a 2-1 home defeat to PSG last month but the display against the champions perhaps warranted a draw. The subsequent run of three defeats and a draw have curtailed the team’s momentum.

The club always felt patience would be required. The plan from day one was for Strasbourg to be challenging for the top six within a few years rather than expecting it from the outset.

How are the Chelsea loanees doing?

A further indication that Strasbourg and Vieira are not simply going to cow down to what Chelsea want is provided by how Angelo and Santos have been treated.

Both Brazilians were signed on loan, Angelo agreeing a season-long deal in August and Santos joining him for the rest of the campaign in January. Chelsea, as the parent club, would like the duo to feature regularly but are not going to force it.

Angelo, a €15million signing from Brazilian club Santos last July, has made 25 appearances in all competitions, of which 15 have been starts. The 19-year-old is still adjusting to life in a new continent, let alone his loan club’s style of play.

After being in and out of the side playing as a right-winger, Angelo has established himself on the left flank. Keller’s son Mehdi, who is the general secretary of the academy, speaks fluent Portuguese and has helped the teenager settle.

“I’m very happy to be here,” Angelo said last week. “I have adapted very well, I have very good relationships with my team-mates and the staff. Everything is going well. I took a few English and French lessons before arriving. There is a very good understanding with everyone, the welcome really facilitated my integration. I feel like I’m at home.”

A groin injury will rule out Angelo for up to two months so he will struggle to add to his tally of four assists. The setback has added to the criticism over the failure to add another wide player in January.

Angelo was a long-term target of Strasbourg anyway having been scouted by Desire, but the club did not have the finances to compete for his signature. The deal with Chelsea was seen as a win-win for both parties as Chelsea wanted the player but could not offer regular game time.

Santos was not quite the same situation. Chelsea bought him from Vasco da Gama for around £18million last year. He was initially loaned to Nottingham Forest, but the season-long agreement was ended because the 19-year-old had made only two appearances.

Having missed out on a winger, Strasbourg were happy to strengthen their midfield with Santos. Even so, he has only made a couple of substitute appearances totalling 33 minutes. He has not walked straight into the first XI as some cynics might have expected.

Chelsea are regularly kept informed on the pair’s progress in dialogue with their counterparts at Strasbourg.

What of supporter unrest?

Strasbourg supporters were against BlueCo’s takeover from the start, although the club believe the opposition represents a minority of the fanbase and their views are not shared by all.

Banners voicing their displeasure have been displayed at La Meinau over the campaign. At the PSG game last month, one read: “All of our fears about the BlueCo project confirmed in this transfer window.” A similar sentiment was expressed during the Brest defeat.

In November, Strasbourg’s largest supporters group, Ultra Boys 90, released a statement saying multi-club ownership is “a blight on football” and expressing its opposition.

“Racing is no longer independent,” they wrote. “Racing no longer has any ambitions of its own. Racing is being stripped of its substance. The consequences, of which there are many, have appeared at a speed no one could have imagined:

• “A team unworthy of Racing, with a catastrophic style of play
• “A rebellious Meinau, whose stands are already becoming overcrowded
• “The threat of relegation in November, despite the good start to the season

“BlueCo is not welcome at the Meinau, and never will be. For more than 30 years, we have been involved in every battle. We’ve fought (former owners) Mark McCormack, Alain Fontenla and Jafar Hilali. We’ll fight BlueCo. We don’t have short memories. We are not ungrateful people. We are, however, true to our values and convictions.”

Strasbourg and BlueCo believe opinions have been negatively influenced by the toils of other clubs in France who are part of multi-club groups, rather than judging their relationship on its merits. City Football Group bought Troyes in 2020, with the club now 16th in Ligue 2.

Keller had been meeting with fan representatives two or three times a year since returning to the club in 2012 but increased that to once every two months following the takeover to explain how things are working. The hope is that people will trust Keller given his achievements in re-galvanising the club but it is going to take time to convince the masses.

The idea of BlueCo representatives meeting with Strasbourg supporters to relay their message first-hand is under consideration. Yet another strongly worded statement followed from the same fan group on Wednesday saying their requests for the face-to-face talks have been ignored for months.

“By the end of January our patience had run out and we asked for a final meeting with the shareholders, to be held no later than the end of February,” read the statement. “Here we are in March and we still haven’t seen anyone.”

Ultra Boys 90 also doubled down on their criticism of BlueCo’s involvement and, perhaps significantly, publicly questioned Keller for his role in the struggles Strasbourg are experiencing. “It is now clear that BlueCo requires the recruitment of players aged 23 years or less. We’re not fooled! No professional club can be competitive under these conditions.

“Without balanced recruitment, the tens of millions invested in these young players will not serve Racing but only the interests of the new owners. That’s why we’re asking: what is BlueCo’s real plan for Racing?

“With all his experience and past successes at the club, how can Marc Keller endorse such a senseless sporting policy without saying a word?

“Racing is now nothing more than a financial asset, owned by an investment fund that already owns another football club. Two transfer windows have also come and gone, and all we can do is watch helplessly as our club is stripped of all its experienced players. In favour of young up-and-coming players.”

It should be noted that, despite all the angst, home games are consistently selling out.

Are there plans to develop the stadium?

There was an aspiration to redevelop La Meinau before BlueCo’s arrival, with discussions beginning in 2016. Rather than move to a new site, they decided to increase capacity from 26,000 to 32,000.

The cost of the project will come to €160million, but Strasbourg are paying just €20m towards it. BlueCo does not have to contribute, either, with the rest of the money provided by the Eurometropole, the wider Grand-Est region, Strasbourg City Hall and the European Community of Alsace. Work on the site, which will take around three years to complete, began in October.

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UEFA relaxes multi-club rules to allow teams owned by same group to compete in different competitions

https://theathletic.com/5362029/2024/03/22/uefa-multi-club-rules-champions-europa-league/

European football’s governing body UEFA has quietly relaxed its rules on multi-club ownership groups ahead of next season’s changes to its club competitions.

From the 2024-25 campaign, clubs under common ownership that are prevented from playing in the same UEFA club competition will now be allowed to play in different UEFA competitions.

For example, it is possible that one of Manchester United or Nice, both now under the control of Sir Jim Ratcliffe and his company INEOS, could play in the Champions League, while the other plays in the Europa League or Conference League.

The same would apply to City Football Group’s Manchester City and Girona, Red Bull’s Leipzig and Salzburg sides or Qatar Sports Investment’s Paris Saint-Germain and Braga.

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The relevant changes to UEFA’s competition regulations are found in articles 5.04 and 5.05, which come into force on 1 May.

Under the previous provisions of Article 5, which has not changed much in 20 years, clubs blocked from competing in Europe because they were under the control of an investor or group that controls another qualified team, were simply replaced by the next team from their domestic competition.

But now, Article 5.04 says a club that is replaced in one competition “may still be admitted to another UEFA club competition (i.e. in descending order: UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League) to which the relevant national association has access”.

The list of qualified clubs for the national association in question would then have to be adjusted, with the relevant cap for that association still being applied.

For England and the four top nations, that means a total of seven places, but any nation can earn more spots if one of its teams wins one of the three UEFA competitions but finishes outside the qualification places in their domestic league, as happened in the Premier League with West Ham last season.

They won the Conference League, earning them a place in the Europa League this season, but finished in 14th in the Premier League. This gave England an eighth team in Europe.

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While the change to UEFA’s rules on “the integrity of the competition/multi-club ownership” may not seem to be dramatic, the direction of travel is interesting, as it is clearly a loosening of the regulations, not a tightening.

With the number of clubs under common ownership growing each season, the integrity risks are obvious, particularly as the three men’s competitions are all moving to single-table formats and expanding to 36 teams each.

What was previously only a once-a-decade problem, is now likely to come up multiple times every season.

Last summer, Aston Villa, Brighton & Hove Albion and Toulouse were only allowed to take their places in this season’s European competitions when their owners put more distance between them and Vitoria de Guimaraes, Union Saint-Gilloise and AC Milan, respectively.

The latter three had already been cleared to play as they had finished in a higher position in their domestic leagues, which is how UEFA settles these disputes, but Villa and Brighton were only permitted to participate when their owners reduced stakes in their stablemates to below 30 per cent. Toulouse were allowed to play when Milan’s majority owner Gerry Cardinale quit the French side’s board.

All three of the pairs of clubs were also banned from transferring players to each other this season, entering into commercial joint ventures or sharing scouting data.
UEFA has been grappling with this issue since the late 1990s, when English investment firm ENIC owned stakes in multiple clubs across the continent.

In the 1997-98 season, three of them — AEK Athens, Slavia Prague and Vicenza — all reached the quarter-finals of the Cup Winners’ Cup. UEFA blocked AEK Athens from playing in the UEFA Cup the following season, as Slavia Prague had a higher finish in their league. This prompted a legal challenge from ENIC that ended up at the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

The result of that row was the drafting of Article 5 in 2001, which established the idea that “control or influence” over more than one team would not be allowed.

That left a lot of room for interpretation but the concept of “control” did not come up again until 2017, when RB Leipzig and Red Bull Salzburg both qualified for the Champions League. That prompted a tweak of the language, so that “decisive influence” was now the key issue. In practice, however, the Red Bull group was able to fairly easily create enough separation between the two clubs by moving some staff around and ring-fencing their budgets.

The current explosion in the number of multi-club groups, however, has raised issues that neither UEFA nor FIFA, which has expanded and revamped its Club World Cup, can ignore. So far, UEFA seems happy to take each case on its own merits, as we saw last summer. Whether that will be possible with the sheer number of cases that are likely to come up each year from now on, remains to be seen.

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