Fernando 6,704 Posted September 28, 2025 Share Posted September 28, 2025 19 hours ago, Special Juan said: Middle of the road midfielder along with Enzo, too much money spent on shite and what we think are good players Makele and Essien's are a thing of the past, mid's that can play real football We need to wait with Santos.Β Many teams wanted him this summer and where mad with the club for wanting to sell him, potentially.Β I think he merits some time.Β Β Stats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,644 Posted September 28, 2025 Share Posted September 28, 2025 He will be sold next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,901 Posted September 28, 2025 Share Posted September 28, 2025 3 hours ago, Special Juan said: I'm not talking about Caicedo you said which is a general statement implying we have no MFers of that level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,644 Posted September 28, 2025 Share Posted September 28, 2025 1 hour ago, Vesper said: you said which is a general statement implying we have no MFers of that level Yep and Caicedo is one of very few, this club is still a million miles away from having players that can tie the laces of these players. We have no leaders, no players who can match the players of many years ago hence we are a million miles away from what we are looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,704 Posted November 24, 2025 Share Posted November 24, 2025 He did good in the role of Caicedo.Β But curious can they both do well like someone mentioned up top of Makele and Essien? Sadly Lavia should have been there but he is so injury prone that we can't build on him, needs to be send to Serie A where he might do good.Β We should now focus on what we can do with Caicedo and Santos in the mid, if it can work and complement each other ala Makele-Essien in their time.Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,901 Posted November 26, 2025 Share Posted November 26, 2025 On 24/11/2025 at 17:35, Fernando said: Sadly Lavia should have been there but he is so injury prone that we can't build on him, needs to be send to Serie A where he might do good.Β Inter would be perfect for him Fernando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,704 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I think he is the one that will benefit the most of Liam since he knows him well from his side in France.Β And this is what I wanted to see for a while, Caicedo and Santos in the mid.Β Strike and OneMoSalah 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 9,065 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, Fernando said: I think he is the one that will benefit the most of Liam since he knows him well from his side in France.Β And this is what I wanted to see for a while, Caicedo and Santos in the mid.Β Fully agree. He has the past relationship with him, he also impressed a lot today. Gave us a much better structure than what we get when Fernandez plays deeper IMO.Β Reddish-Blue and Fernando 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,815 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I think he is a fairly average, decent bench option type. If someone wants to overpay for him I'd gladly let him go.Β He is a subpar athlete, and doesn't open the game up. He seems tactically switched on, but just isn't it. Essugo is the bigger talent and better player but unfortunately he is injured atm.Β Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,901 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Andrey Santos: The key cog in the way Chelsea want to play under Liam Rosenior https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7007379/2026/01/30/Chelsea-andrey-santos-liam-rosenior-analysis/ βAndrey plays like heβs 32. I call him Dunga: heβs Brazilian but he doesnβt play like one. Heβs so smart and his stats are through the roof, in terms of scoring goals, winning duels. Heβs going to have an outstanding career.β WhenΒ they were uttered toΒ The AthleticΒ a year ago, Liam Roseniorβs wordsΒ were interpreted simply as fulsome praise for Andrey Santos, the impressively mature Chelsea loanee he had chosen to captain his startlingly young Strasbourg side in a rollercoaster 2024-25 season that almost yielded a surprise Champions League qualification. Much has changed in the last 12 months, and now they read as an early foreshadowing of the increasingly prominent role Santos is playing for Rosenior in the heart of Chelseaβs midfield. The 21-year-old has featured in all but one of Roseniorβs first six matches as Chelsea head coach across all competitions, starting four times (including against Arsenal and Napoli). For context, he started just eight of the first 29 matches of this season under Enzo Maresca, and was rarely trusted with significant minutes in big games. Cole Palmerβs fitness issues have factored into that shift, with Enzo Fernandez more regularly selected in an advanced midfield role. But it is already clear that Rosenior favours a true double pivot at the base of his midfield rather than inverting a full-back next to Moises Caicedo in possession, and Santos appears to be his preferred partner for the Ecuadorian. Maresca at times gave the impression of not quite knowing what to make of Santos. Last summer, he said he saw the Brazilian as more of an attacking than a defensive midfielder, βmore like Enzo than Moi or (Romeo) Laviaβ, before claiming in December that Chelseaβs squad lacked a natural replacement for Fernandez and that Santos is βmore of a No 6β. Rosenior has no such doubts, and Santosβ position in his team is clearly defined. He is invariably Chelseaβs deepest midfielder, making himself available to receive the ball from his defenders and goalkeepers and trusted to direct passages of possession largely with short, sensible passes. His consistently deep presence allows Caicedo to operate slightly in advance of the ball, as illustrated below against Crystal Palaceβ¦ β¦ and against Napoliβ¦ Without the ball at Selhurst Park, Santos also took on the responsibility of man-marking Brennan Johnson, tracking the Wales international back into his own penalty area to neutralise danger when circumstances required him to do soβ¦ βItβs like a semi-four or semi-five at the back with Andrey in between,β Rosenior said of Chelseaβs tactical structure after the Palace win. βIβm lucky with Andrey because heβs done it for me before (at Strasbourg last season). The beauty of having Andrey there allows Moi to stay in the middle of the pitch where I love him to be and have him and Enzo at the top.β Freed from the responsibility of anchoring the entire Chelsea midfield, Caicedo can become more of a roaming destroyer and even push more regularly towards the opposition box, where his exceptional ball striking makes him a genuine additional goal threat. It also gives Fernandez greater midfield cover as he seeks to impact the game in the final third. This balance between Santosβ positional discipline and Caicedoβs broader range of influence can be seen in their respective touchmaps against Palaceβ¦ Santos is confident and generally comfortable receiving the ball under pressure in his own defensive third. When he first broke through at Vasco da Gama, it was not uncommon to see him dribble the ball out of his own penalty area from short goal kicks. Chelsea would be brave to attempt something similar against a Premier League opposition press, but there is no reason to believe he will be a liability in this role, particularly when Caicedo is close enough to help him. That was not the case in Chelseaβs Carabao Cup semi-final first-leg defeat against Arsenal at Stamford Bridge. Caicedoβs suspension left the more defensively limited Fernandez as Santosβ pivot partner, and the Brazilian endured some hairy moments playing out from the back when the Premier League leaders decided to hunt the ball with intentβ¦ Santos and Caicedo were also pulled too far apart in the lead-up to Napoliβs first goal against Chelsea on Wednesday. The Brazilianβs attempted pass upfield fell short of finding any of his team-mates, and the result was Antonio Vergara running at an isolated Wesley Fofana with both of Roseniorβs midfield pivots caught badly out of position. Occasional costly errors are an unavoidable consequence of trusting a 21-year-old to control such a key area of the pitch. Santos has also flashed plenty of promise operating in tandem with Caicedo, adding more physicality to Roseniorβs midfield out of possession as well as presenting a more technically capable option for progressing the ball than Marc Cucurella or Malo Gusto whenever they are shunted infield. One aspect of Santosβ game which may recede in his current Chelsea role is his goalscoring. Last season, he found the net on 10 occasions in Ligue 1, at times displaying outstanding instincts for when to arrive in the opposition penalty area. But a sizeable chunk of his goal threat also derives from his ability to convert in the box from set-piece deliveries, and there is no reason why set-piece coach Bernardo Cueva should not be able to harness this particular talent. Santos will face greater competition for regular midfield minutes at Chelsea when Palmerβs health improves, and if Lavia can ever find a way to conquer his own injury demons. But all the signs are that he will be given his most substantial opportunity yet to establish himself as a key figure at Stamford Bridge. Brazil legend Dunga was 30 when he anchored a team of world champions at the 1994 World Cup in the United States. Thanks to Rosenior, Santos is already beginning to do the same. ByΒ Liam TwomeyΒ andΒ Anantaajith Raghuraman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,704 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago I'm disappointed, even with Liam who managed him at France and is not getting ahead of James in the mid.Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 9,065 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, Fernando said: I'm disappointed, even with Liam who managed him at France and is not getting ahead of James in the mid.Β I dont get Maresca and now Rosenoir religiously using James in MF. Is this a club driven thing? Do the decision makers see him as a MF? Says a lot when Rosenoir says James is the best RB in the world after he signs a new deal, yet plays him as a central midfielder the following gameβ¦. Vesper and Fernando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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