🇧🇷 17. Andrey Santos

[NikkiCFC 8,326]

Just now, OhForAGreavsie said:

Unusual and irrelevant unless first he is an excellent DM. Andrey may well be an excellent DM but I haven't seen evidence of it in any of the all touches videos I've viewed. Looking forward to seeing him play for real.

Is at least very unusual grammatically correct? 

[Vesper 30,195]

I hope this lad makes the haters eat their words.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,076]

2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Is at least very unusual grammatically correct? 

Most definitely. 🙂 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,076]

4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I hope this lad makes the haters eat their words.

I am a non-believer but, when the time comes, I will gladly ask you to pass the salt. 🙂 

(In my defence, the best evidence I have viewed are 5 all touches videos. In those I saw nothing which supports the decision to buy him. In time I expect I'll see more of him and maybe form a better opinion.)

Edited January 26, 2023 by OhForAGreavsie

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

 

[NikkiCFC 8,326]

Guess who scored another one. 

4/4 

He was rested game before. But now another group. Weirdest tournament system. 

And why is he listed on loan on this forum? 

[Vesper 30,195]

8 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Guess who scored another one. 

4/4 

He was rested game before. But now another group. Weirdest tournament system. 

And why is he listed on loan on this forum? 

I know many think he is a not good enough

but not me

I have a decent feeling about him

he is by far the most rated teen MFer Brasil has atm

here are all the top 15 25yo and under Brasil MFers

(amazing fact, other than one player, (and he is in 21st place), Igor Gomes, a 24yo in-one-month AMF from Atlético Mineiro, NONE  in the top 30 of ALL, (every single type), of Brasilian 25yo and under MFer are AMFs or RMFs, or LMFs atm)

 

here are ALL the 5m euro and over valued Brasilian CMF/DMF's

CMFs rate €10m and up in bold

Bruno Guimarães    
Casemiro   (30yo)
Fabinho (30yo in 8 months)
Lucas Paquetá  
Douglas Luiz 
Danilo  
Wendel  
Fred  (30yo in one month)
Éderson 
Gerson  
Arthur Melo 
João Gomes 
Andrey Santos 
André  

all below are under €10m

Evander 
Matheus Henrique 
Allan (the 32yo ex Napoli/Everton player)
Thiago Mendes (31yo in one month)
Marcos Antônio 
Walace 
Maycon 
Rodrigo Nestor 
Jean Lucas 
Gabriel Menino
Vinicius Souza  
Patrick de Paula
Willian Arão  30yo
Allan    Clube Atlético Mineiro 
Bruno Praxedes  
Christian  
Thiago Maia 
Otávio  
Gabriel Sara 
Jair 
Zé Rafael (30yo in 4 months)
Pablo Maia
Du Queiroz 

 

some to keep an eye on

including a shit tonne of youth (as young as 15yo, I have been really digging deep into South America, especially Argentina and Brasil)

 

and finally one who plays CMF as well

 

[DDA 9,941]

 

@OhForAGreavsie

He is showing more in this game. Look at the way he celebrates the tackles and clearances... a born leader with the kind of fight I want too see at this club.

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by DDA

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

3 minutes ago, DDA said:

 

@OhForAGreavsie

He is showing more in this game. Look at the way he celebrates the tackles and clearances... a born leader with the kind of fight I want too see at this club.

 

Finally a video of him playing some forward passes lol.

Still, bit lucky with the assist but nice to see he can actually play a bit quicker and forward more although I still think he’s going to find the PL a whole different level of fast.

Technically still not overly impressive though but doesn’t mind getting stuck in. Suppose a good loan in the summer could fasten his development because he doesn’t look PL ready for me.

[James 5,331]

 

[Superblue 6,372]

I don't want to pigeon hole someone who's 18 years old, as I'm sure the club has it's own plans for how to develop and eventually utilise him.

For me I don't see an out and out defensive midfielder. I know he's operating for the Brazil side at present in a deeper role and has fulfilled similar at club level (I've seen clips where he's even taken goal kicks, etc to bring the ball out from the defence) but I wonder whether that has more to do with him just being the best they have for that role to anchor the whole side down.

I actually see his game being more suited to a box to box role, perhaps more on the defensive side than the offensive side, but given the licence to hunt the ball, win the ball, and use that energy and athleticism.

I'm thinking along the lines more of a Kante, or as a Brazilian equivalent, Ramires. I think a player like that could work pretty well with someone like Enzo who can dictate the game.

[Simon1991 233]

10 hours ago, Superblue said:

I don't want to pigeon hole someone who's 18 years old, as I'm sure the club has it's own plans for how to develop and eventually utilise him.

For me I don't see an out and out defensive midfielder. I know he's operating for the Brazil side at present in a deeper role and has fulfilled similar at club level (I've seen clips where he's even taken goal kicks, etc to bring the ball out from the defence) but I wonder whether that has more to do with him just being the best they have for that role to anchor the whole side down.

I actually see his game being more suited to a box to box role, perhaps more on the defensive side than the offensive side, but given the licence to hunt the ball, win the ball, and use that energy and athleticism.

I'm thinking along the lines more of a Kante, or as a Brazilian equivalent, Ramires. I think a player like that could work pretty well with someone like Enzo who can dictate the game.

I agree with that, and can clearly see him in a double pivot, next to Enzo for instance, but just not yet. Unlike some people who see him slot in in our midfield directly (hype around newly signed players is a wonderful thing isn't it), he does not seem to be PL ready, as @OneMoSalahpointed out. Technically very raw still, and will need to hone his skills. Loads of potential though, and seems to possess a warrior mentality which is always a plus!

Very excited about this young lad, but for the long game. 

Edited February 2, 2023 by Simon1991

[Vesper 30,195]

2 hours ago, Simon1991 said:

I agree with that, and can clearly see him in a double pivot, next to Enzo for instance, but just not yet. Unlike some people who see him slot in in our midfield directly (hype around newly signed players is a wonderful thing isn't it), he does not seem to be PL ready, as @OneMoSalahpointed out. Technically very raw still, and will need to hone his skills. Loads of potential though, and seems to possess a warrior mentality which is always a plus!

Very excited about this young lad, but for the long game. 

that's the utter beauty of buying the best the globe has to offer in terms of high potential teenagers

just wait until our multi-club model is up and steaming

[NikkiCFC 8,326]

5/5 😂

[DDA 9,941]

25 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

5/5 😂

He just can't stop scoring. Go on Santos my son.

[lucio 5,418]

Can't be worse than Gallagher.

[Fernando 6,585]

We need midfielders he should be brought here. 

Gallagher in the mid next to Enzo is not going to be the solution. 

Dang I would have loved Caicedo and Enzo. We would have been resolved. 

[Vesper 30,195]

Fabrizio Romano: Chelsea want teenager to join their first team immediately

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/club-news/fabrizio-romano-Chelsea-want-teenager-to-join-their-first-team-immediately/

Chelsea want January signing Andrey Santos to join their first-team ranks as soon as possible, but the young midfielder’s work permit status remains unclear, according to Fabrizio Romano.

The 18-year-old is currently away on international duty with the Brazil youth side in the Sudamericano Sub-20 tournament in Colombia.

The tournament will reach its conclusion in just a few days, on 12 February, and then Chelsea will have to make a decision on how the teenager will spend the rest of the season.

Of course, ideally, Chelsea would want him to be part of Graham Potter’s first-team squad.

Speaking on The Beautiful Game podcast, Romano claims Chelsea are keen to keep the player this season and are continuously working on his work permit.

This is hardly a surprise considering how highly the Chelsea staff reportedly rate the midfield talent.

 

Chelsea still working on Santos working permit but have prepared contingency plan

According to The Evening Standard, the Blues are currently working on a second submission to secure the former Vasco da Gama a visa to play in England.

The first attempt was reportedly unsuccessful after Santos missed out by just one point on the initial work permit application.

The report also mentions that Chelsea promised the player that he would be part of Graham Potter’s first-team squad immediately upon his arrival.

Chelsea are said to be confident that after captaining the Brazil U-20 side, Santos will have enough points for a work permit.

If these prove unsuccessful, however, the Evening Standard adds Chelsea already have a Plan B in mind, which is to send Santos back to Brazil on loan to continue his development and earn more points for a work permit.

Brazilian clubs who are playing in the Copa Libertadores — South American equivalent of the Champions League — would be the preferred options.

There are eight Brazilian sides in the competition;  Palmeiras, International, Fluminense, Corinthians, Flamengo, Athletico Paranaense, Fortaleza and Atlético Mineiro.

 

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Belief Chelsea have signed “very, very, very good player” – Puts other PL signing who cost more “in his pocket”

https://sportwitness.co.uk/belief-Chelsea-signed-good-player-puts-pl-signing-cost-pocket/

With Chelsea signing Andrey Santos and Nottingham Forest buying Danilo, the Premier League sides landed two of the most talented young midfielders in Brazil last month.

But the Blues haven’t been able to use their player yet, and that’s because he’s currently out with the U20 national team and is still to be given a work permit to feature in the Premier League.

And it turns out that in case the visa isn’t given, there’s a Brazilian club who are in talks to sign him. That’s Palmeiras, who lost Danilo to Nottingham Forest and now need a player for his position.

This potential triangle makes it inevitable to compare Andrey Santos and Danilo. And that was done by journalist Jorge Nicola in a video about the situation.

“Andrey is a very, very, very good player. He puts Danilo in his pocket. He is much more of a player than Danilo. He is only 18 years old and has a bright future,” said Jorge Nicola, on Youtube.

It’s interesting that Chelsea paid less for Andrey Santos, having spent €12.5m, while it took €20m for Nottingham Forest to land Danilo.

However, the Blues signed a promising player who had been playing in the second division, and that’s why he was cheaper.

Nottingham Forest, on the other hand, purchased a 21-year-old who had won several important titles and had already been called up by the national team.

 

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‘99% chance’ player will be registered by Chelsea – Previous claims turned down

https://sportwitness.co.uk/99-chance-player-will-registered-Chelsea-previous-claims-turned/

Despite reports from Brazil today saying that Chelsea should loan out Andrey Santos, who’s still to be granted a work permit to play in the Premier League, we now get to see conflicting claims about that.

Even though journalist Lucas Pedrosa confirms that the player still doesn’t have the necessary points to receive the visa, he claims there’s actually a 99% chance that will happen.

The reason for it is that Andrey Santos has been doing very well at the U20 South American Championship. The midfielder, who captains Brazil, has five goals in six games, and Chelsea can use that as an argument to register him as a special talent.

In case the working visa isn’t given to him, then Pedrosa also rules out the chance of his return to Vasco, despite claims today saying the player’s former club would have a priority clause for that. It’s now reported that such a clause does not exist.

Pedrosa says that only Palmeiras and Flamengo would have the conditions to sign Andrey, and the former have already shown an interest, leading the race for now. The youngster would also not like to play for another club in Rio de Janeiro, and that ends Flamengo’s chances.

However, the possibility of this loan is said to be ‘practically null’, as Chelsea are expected to get his work permit.