Branislav Ivanovic

[CHOULO19 24,332]

1 hour ago, Belgiannutt said:

They weren't outnumbered. Terry had Ighalo. If Ivanovic picks up Capoue and Cahill picks up Deeney then it would have been a 3 on 3 with Kante being close by to offer support. 

Can see it well at 2:13.

 

 

 

When I was writing that I knew that someone would pick out the word outnumbered. I didn't mean that there were more Watford players, I said outnumbered because you need 3 players to mark 2 in the box. I know it's a stupid use of the word but I didn't want to complicate the sentence.

Yeah, he needed to to tuck in to help in 2vs2 because you can have man marking in corners and set pieces when the box is packed, but when you only have 2 attackers, having just 2 defend is basically giving your defender a 50% chance of getting the ball. Actually even less as it's harder to defender the cross than to attack it.. 

[The Skipper 20,609]

9 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

When I was writing that I knew that someone would pick out the word outnumbered. I didn't mean that there were more Watford players, I said outnumbered because you need 3 players to mark 2 in the box. I know it's a stupid use of the word but I didn't want to complicate the sentence.

Yeah, he needed to to tuck in to help in 2vs2 because you can have man marking in corners and set pieces when the box is packed, but when you only have 2 attackers, having just 2 defend is basically giving your defender a 50% chance of getting the ball. Actually even less as it's harder to defender the cross than to attack it.. 

You definitely don't need three players to mark two in the box. You don't tuck in and help your CBs mark opposition strikers when there's a threat out wide. If you do that, you're surrendering a goal scoring opportunity. You say you give your defenders 50% to defend the ball if it's 1v1. But what you've done is essentially give that 3rd player that's coming in from wide a 100% scoring chance. Capoue took it very well but Ivanovic needs to be there. Full backing 101. Cahill and Terry are great in the air, why would they need help from Ivanovic?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

33 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

You definitely do it need three players to mark two in the box. You don't tuck in and help your CBs mark opposition strikers when there's a threat out wide. If you do that, you're surrendering a goal scoring opportunity. You say you give your defenders 50% to defend the ball if it's 1v1. But what you've done is essentially give that 3rd player that's coming in from wide a 100% scoring chance. Capoue took it very well but Ivanovic needs to be there. Full backing 101. Cahill and Terry are great in the air, why would they need help from Ivanovic?

You don't give a goal scoring opportunity because someone SHOULD be there to pick up Capoue. He made a run from central midfield with no one picking him up and ran behind the fullback with the winger no where to help cover.

You definitely do need 3 players to defend a cross into the center of the box against 2 attackers. Regardless of how good your defenders are in the air. Because the attacker can either attack the ball from in front of the man marking him or from behind so the defender has to take a risk and stand either in front of the attacker and risk the ball being played above him or behind the attacker and risk the ball being played in front of him. Hence a 50-50 chance.

But if you have 3 defenders like you should, if the ball looks to be hitting the near post a defender will stand either side of the attacker there and the third will move in front of the attacker on the far post side and if the ball hits the far post a defender will stand either side of the attacker there with the third standing between the second attacker and the far post.

That's literally how coaches coach defending against those situations. Most defenders would do exactly as Iva did. 

[The Skipper 20,609]

4 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

You don't give a goal scoring opportunity because someone SHOULD be there to pick up Capoue. He made a run from central midfield with no one picking him up and ran behind the fullback with the winger no where to help cover.

You definitely do need 3 players to defend a cross into the center of the box against 2 attackers. Regardless of how good your defenders are in the air. Because the attacker can either attack the ball from in front of the man marking him or from behind so the defender has to take a risk and stand either in front of the attacker and risk the ball being played above him or behind the attacker and risk the ball being played in front of him. Hence a 50-50 chance.

But if you have 3 defenders like you should, if the ball looks to be hitting the near post a defender will stand either side of the attacker there and the third will move in front of the attacker on the far post side and if the ball hits the far post a defender will stand either side of the attacker there with the third standing between the second attacker and the far post.

That's literally how coaches coach defending against those situations. Most defenders would do exactly as Iva did. 

A defender should always be goal side of a striker. If he is, he minimising the chance for the shot on goal quite significantly. You don't need another player in there to negate the threat.

Coaches teach full backs to patrol the area around the far post, and Ivanovic failed in that aspect. Was ball watching. Nothing more to it. Apart from that mistake he had a solid game (defensively anyway). He was definitely at fault for the goal. 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

2 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

A defender should always be goal side of a striker. If he is, he minimising the chance for the shot on goal quite significantly. You don't need another player in there to negate the threat.

Coaches teach full backs to patrol the area around the far post, and Ivanovic failed in that aspect. Was ball watching. Nothing more to it. Apart from that mistake he had a solid game (defensively anyway). He was definitely at fault for the goal. 

How would a defender stop a header on goal if he is goal side of an attacker on the near post and the cross is played in front of him? 

In that scenario, and here we're talking about a totally different case, defenders are usually told to do the opposite and stand between the attacker and the crosser and not goal-side.

[The Skipper 20,609]

10 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

How would a defender stop a header on goal if he is goal side of an attacker on the near post and the cross is played in front of him? 

In that scenario, and here we're talking about a totally different case, defenders are usually told to do the opposite and stand between the attacker and the crosser and not goal-side.

He challenges for it, quite simple... Anyway! In this scenario, Ivanovic doesn't help at all even if he is the 3rd defender near goal. He is completely irrelevant if the ball is crossed near post. That'll be for Terry to deal with, and he usually does very well in this scenario. 

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

He challenges for it, quite simple... Anyway! In this scenario, Ivanovic doesn't help at all even if he is the 3rd defender near goal. He is completely irrelevant if the ball is crossed near post. That'll be for Terry to deal with, and he usually does very well in this scenario. 

Btw Cahill asked Ivan to pick up the Watford player, even though Cahill should have been marking him. You can see on the replay Cahill clearly asking Ivan for help. And then Cahill was marking no one. Its def Cahill fault and whoever else that should have ran back with Capoue.

[The Skipper 20,609]

50 minutes ago, Bir_CFC said:

Btw Cahill asked Ivan to pick up the Watford player, even though Cahill should have been marking him. You can see on the replay Cahill clearly asking Ivan for help. And then Cahill was marking no one. Its def Cahill fault and whoever else that should have ran back with Capoue.

Fair enough. Didn't see that. Well, Cahill is at fault then for asking for help when he didn't need it at all. If Cahill doesn't ask for that Ivanovic would've probably been in the right zone and would've made it extremely harder for Capoue to get a shot off. 

[Fernando 6,585]

If he is so bad then the younger players must be even worse as they can't get ahead of him. 

Or its like I been saying, the clubs wants youth but continually get managers that are not good for this..... 

[whats happening 1,612]

another vintage performance by ivanovic vs ireland.

[the wes 7,212]

Good news lads According to reports Ivan will be facing for his future 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/06/branislav-ivanovic-faces-fight-for-chelsea-future-as-antonio-con/

[Jase 43,479]

24 minutes ago, the wes said:

Good news lads According to reports Ivan will be facing for his future 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/06/branislav-ivanovic-faces-fight-for-chelsea-future-as-antonio-con/

Close relationship with Roman? No wonder he plays week in week out even when he's in totally shit form!

[LAM09 7,043]

Good news lads According to reports Ivan will be facing for his future 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/06/branislav-ivanovic-faces-fight-for-chelsea-future-as-antonio-con/

Let's hope he loses it. Dave wants his natural spot back

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I wont be surprised to see Ivanovic, once he retires, rejoin Chelsea board and become "negotiator" for new transfers, add some motivation to potential targets.

You know, the dirty work. The players will have to think twice before turning us down.

[The Chels 2,502]

3 hours ago, the wes said:

Good news lads According to reports Ivan will be facing for his future 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/06/branislav-ivanovic-faces-fight-for-chelsea-future-as-antonio-con/

I'll believe it when I see it.