Stingray 9,441 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 The going forward and passing/crossing was abysmal .... I think this needs attention if this is our rb ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I really don't know where I stand on Ivanovic. He's a big old unit and mostly proves difficult to play against but that's about where the line is drawn. I see him going forward consistently and do the same check inside body movement only for him to twist back, rinse and repeat. Massive menace from set-pieces but I really cannot put my finger on it why he looks distinctly average at most parts of his game.Our wing backs of him and Cole have to be the worst crossers of a ball in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Our wing backs of him and Cole have to be the worst crossers of a ball in the league.I think I actually prefer Cole not even getting in a position to cross to Iva's horrid crossing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 a defenders primary objective is to defend and iva has been a beast in that. he has been briliant and solid defensively. and we have to commend his work rate to keep running up and down the bloody pitch to get himself into good positions so many times.his crossing does need a little work on it, but it still does not change the fact that he has been our best and 2nd best defender (after JT) this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 a defenders primary objective is to defend and iva has been a beast in that. he has been briliant and solid defensively. and we have to commend his work rate to keep running up and down the bloody pitch to get himself into good positions so many times.his crossing does need a little work on it, but it still does not change the fact that he has been our best and 2nd best defender (after JT) this season. No one is faulting his defensive work but in a modern world where a FB's contribution offensively is getting important, you need the FB to provide at least some form of threat going forward as well. There is no point in Ivanovic's case to bomb up and down the flanks all day along if he can't even produce something decent in the final third. Mufassir08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I hope mourinho trains him on his crossing. Schalke just marked all the other chelsea players and left him free. (It is beginning to look like a tactics for opposition since they know he's our worst technical player) And he couldn't complete one pass in the final third. It was just bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 No one is faulting his defensive work but in a modern world where a FB's contribution offensively is getting important, you need the FB to provide at least some form of threat going forward as well. There is no point in Ivanovic's case to bomb up and down the flanks all day along if he can't even produce something decent in the final third.that is a very poor view of iva's workrate. i admit his use of the ball is poor but his runs always stops the opposition from doubling on our RW. i mean look at AC and hazard situtation this season. AC simply is never able to take a defender along with him and give hazard the space he requires. specially the man city match. if u remember, how many times did iva pull off silva/nasri along with him just by his runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 that is a very poor view of iva's workrate. i admit his use of the ball is poor but his runs always stops the opposition from doubling on our RW. i mean look at AC and hazard situtation this season. AC simply is never able to take a defender along with him and give hazard the space he requires. specially the man city match. if u remember, how many times did iva pull off silva/nasri along with him just by his runs. Like I said, no one is faulting him on his defensive duties which you are highlighting above. I am just mentioning his extremely obvious deficiencies going forward like I did in the last post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Like I said, no one is faulting him on his defensive duties which you are highlighting above. I am just mentioning his extremely obvious deficiencies going forward like I did in the last post.i was highlighting iva's attacking contribution in my last post. about how he helps our RW find space because of his continous runs up and down the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 He's been fantastic this season and last season people were moaning about Azpi's crossing. I said then that the problem was a lack of decent targets in the area and that hasn't changed. He's also struggled from a lack of consistency in the right wing position, but now Willian seems to have earned a second successive start then maybe they can start to build a rapport.His presence in set-pieces is also a powerful tool, as well as the tactic of pushing him on and using him to win first-phase ball from goal-kicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 i was highlighting iva's attacking contribution in my last post. about how he helps our RW find space because of his continous runs up and down the field. Oops. Sorry, was reading it with a sleepy eyes (brain!). :banghead:What you pointed out there may be true but that is what, only 1 game? His off the ball work offensively may well be decent but ON it, he's extremely rubbish at it, which is what has been mentioned from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Oops. Sorry, was reading it with a sleepy eyes (brain!). :banghead:What you pointed out there may be true but that is what, only 1 game? His off the ball work offensively may well be decent but ON it, he's extremely rubbish at it, which is what has been mentioned from the beginning.why do i feel that both of us are saying the same thing. the only difference being, i am giving iva the benefit of doubt as he has been brilliant defensively, working really hard for the team and he gives an awesome tactical advantage to mou to go 3-4-3 when in need for a goal.while u and others are , rightly, condemning him for his malfunctioning in the last 3rd. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Either bench him or tell him to not cross the halfway line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Either bench him or tell him to not cross the halfway line. zyzz and xPetrCechx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 He's scary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Rant- read at your own riskHow did someone so technically terrible on the ball get a shirt in a big club like chelsea. I've never seen a footballer that is so terrible with the ball at his feet.He cant passHe cant crossHe cant shootHe cant do basically anything with the ball at his feet,His terrible pass was what caused that second goal, wtf. I was complaining to my friends that i can swear ivanovic cant jog a ball more than 10 times. If he was a brazilian, he'll never play football. He's only good with his head and has strength.The opposition have developed a tactics to let ivanovic have the ball and mark every other person. Fuck off/Rant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 His crossing and passing is really just something else. Have to applaud him for having this 'extraordinary' quality... ChelseasMessiah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Stinker of a game today.Don't blame him though, Mourinho needs to select Azpi on the right in games like these. It was infuriating how comfortable WBA were with Ivanovic having the ball, and it was also embarrassing how we always searched out for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidzeret 2,257 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Poor technique on his crosses. I way Willian was crossing was something he can work on- low chips which rises in the air...very hard to defend. The Baggies defenders had a field day with Ivanovic with such crosses- no real intent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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