🇷🇸 Branislav Ivanovic

[themightyblue 443]

Not nearly good enough for a starter at Chelsea. Ivanovic is a good CB, but he's at best an average RB.

Opinions I guess, but 3 or 4 Chelsea managers have disagreed with you

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

One of the worst performances I've seen in a Blue shirt. Got turned too easily one-on-one, his position was bad and his decision making even worse. He should have been sent off..twice! I don't want to see him at RB for a very long time after this.

One of the worst posts I've seen here.

Thank fuck our team is not managed by yourself or anybody who thinks like this. I clicked reply, but I can't even make a reply to this post, its just plain wrong. Dont take this as a personal insult, because its not.

Nobody is perfect, and Ivanovic has had some fair share of mistakes made, especially last season, but fuck me there are some people here just waiting for one mistake, one bad game, to jump on the bandwagon. The same may be applied to Lamps' thread aswell. When I read stuff like that I feel embarrassed by our own supporters.

[Stats 7,142]

One of the worst posts I've seen here.

Thank fuck our team is not managed by yourself or anybody who thinks like this. I clicked reply, but I can't even make a reply to this post, its just plain wrong. Dont take this as a personal insult, because its not.

Nobody is perfect, and Ivanovic has had some fair share of mistakes made, especially last season, but fuck me there are some people here just waiting for one mistake, one bad game, to jump on the bandwagon. The same may be applied to Lamps' thread aswell. When I read stuff like that I feel embarrassed by our own supporters.

The thing is many people think Ivanovic had a good game and some differ. Apart from couple moments he was excellent, won nearly every single aerial duel and Agbonlahor did not rip him to shreds. He got past him about once but apart from that Agbonlahor was well marked and struggled to make a similar impact like he did against Arsenal. Ivanovic done ver well. Got the winning goal and was defensively solid IMO. A neutral fan I went to the game with game with randomly complemented his performance and I agreed. I don't think he had a bad game at all.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Opinions I guess, but 3 or 4 Chelsea managers have disagreed with you

And who was the alternative we had? The only season we had a proper alternative in Azpi, Ivanovic ended up playing at CB.

One of the worst posts I've seen here.

Thank fuck our team is not managed by yourself or anybody who thinks like this. I clicked reply, but I can't even make a reply to this post, its just plain wrong. Dont take this as a personal insult, because its not.

Nobody is perfect, and Ivanovic has had some fair share of mistakes made, especially last season, but fuck me there are some people here just waiting for one mistake, one bad game, to jump on the bandwagon. The same may be applied to Lamps' thread aswell. When I read stuff like that I feel embarrassed by our own supporters.

I've been saying that Iva should not play at RB ever since I joined here, so it's hardly "jumping on the bandwagon". The game highlighted exactly what's wrong with him playing at RB.

I've explained why I never want to see him at RB again:

That is in no way based on yesterday, alone. I've said many times that I don't want to see him at RB. He doesn't close down crosses, he gets turned way too easily and he gets beaten for pace. He's not a RB, he's a CB.

Do you have a football answer to that? Because "I'm embarrassed by your opinion" is not really a valid argument.

[themightyblue 443]

And who was the alternative we had? The only season we had a proper alternative in Azpi, Ivanovic ended up playing at CB.

I've been saying that Iva should not play at RB ever since I joined here, so it's hardly "jumping on the bandwagon". The game highlighted exactly what's wrong with him playing at RB.

I've explained why I never want to see him at RB again:

Do you have a football answer to that? Because "I'm embarrassed by your opinion" is not really a valid argument.

So you were saying Ivanovic shouldn't play at RB even in our double winning season when he was the best RB in the country and got in the PFA team of the year? The problem is you're being so selective, the next time he has a good game someone could come on here saying 'this game highlighted exactly why he's an excellent RB'. Fact is Ivan has a lot more good games than bad games at RB, and to say he is average at best there is just a bit silly.

He played at CB more last season largely due to Luiz moving to midfield and Terry picking up his injuries and suffering a loss of form. Even then while he's been here, Ivan has seen off competition from Bosingwa (who was good at one stage) and Ferreira

[CHOULO19 24,332]

So you were saying Ivanovic shouldn't play at RB even in our double winning season when he was the best RB in the country and got in the PFA team of the year? The problem is you're being so selective, the next time he has a good game someone could come on here saying 'this game highlighted exactly why he's an excellent RB'. Fact is Ivan has a lot more good games than bad games at RB, and to say he is average at best there is just a bit silly.

He played at CB more last season largely due to Luiz moving to midfield and Terry picking up his injuries and suffering a loss of form. Even then while he's been here, Ivan has seen off competition from Bosingwa (who was good at one stage) and Ferreira

Yes he had a good season at RB, but he's had more than two bad seasons there since. It's not a fact that he has more good games there than bad ones, he rarely has a game there without making a mistake, like not closing down crosses which he does in every game, like poor positioning and wrong decisions like what he did in the Weinman chance. And even if I want to assume that that is true, when has that ever been good enough for Chelsea? Bosingwa did have a good period with us, and when he did he was a starter over Iva. At Chelsea level, Iva at RB is average at best. He can fill in a few games but he is no way good enough to be starting at RB.

[themightyblue 443]

Yes he had a good season at RB, but he's had more than two bad seasons there since. It's not a fact that he has more good games there than bad ones, he rarely has a game there without making a mistake, like not closing down crosses which he does in every game, like poor positioning and wrong decisions like what he did in the Weinman chance. And even if I want to assume that that is true, when has that ever been good enough for Chelsea? Bosingwa did have a good period with us, and when he did he was a starter over Iva. At Chelsea level, Iva at RB is average at best. He can fill in a few games but he is no way good enough to be starting at RB.

Yeah he's had more than two bad seasons since even though he's come 2nd/3rd in the Chelsea poty awards in 2010/11 and 2011/2012.......Not sure if you're making this up to suit your agenda, but Brana has always been a solid RB capable of swinging in a few crosses. Like I said he's had more good games than bad games at RB and if he's average at best he'd have been sold by now and not been a key figure under so many managers

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Yeah he's had more than two bad seasons since even though he's come 2nd/3rd in the Chelsea poty awards in 2010/11 and 2011/2012.......Not sure if you're making this up to suit your agenda, but Brana has always been a solid RB capable of swinging in a few crosses. Like I said he's had more good games than bad games at RB and if he's average at best he'd have been sold by now and not been a key figure under so many managers

He's been a key player because of his ability to play at CB. In 20011/12 he was almost never used as a RB because AVB preferred Bosingwa and the injuries under RDM meant that he had to fill at CB most of the games. Last season he was only used at RB in the first two months under RDM but was almost never used at RB by Benitez who preferred Azpi. Why would he be sold? Last season he was our second best CB after Luiz.

[zolayes 14,489]

almost 12% of fans voted Bran MOM against Villa ,, Choulou called it one of the worst ever displays by a Chelsea player ,,,

interesting

[themightyblue 443]

He's been a key player because of his ability to play at CB. In 20011/12 he was almost never used as a RB because AVB preferred Bosingwa and the injuries under RDM meant that he had to fill at CB most of the games. Last season he was only used at RB in the first two months under RDM but was almost never used at RB by Benitez who preferred Azpi. Why would he be sold? Last season he was our second best CB after Luiz.

No because overall at his time at Chelsea he's played the RB position mainly and only covered at CB for injuries whether it was Alex, Terry. That's not true either, Bosingwa began the season at RB but then was replaced by Ivan who played more and more at RB and then RDM came in and preferred him to Bosingwa also. If he was an average at best RB he would have been sold in the 2011/2012 season when he must have been putting in these poor performances you speak of

[CHOULO19 24,332]

No because overall at his time at Chelsea he's played the RB position mainly and only covered at CB for injuries whether it was Alex, Terry. That's not true either, Bosingwa began the season at RB but then was replaced by Ivan who played more and more at RB and then RDM came in and preferred him to Bosingwa also. If he was an average at best RB he would have been sold in the 2011/2012 season when he must have been putting in these poor performances you speak of

I'm talking about the past two seasons, and in the past two seasons he's played at CB much more than he has at RB. And he's done well at CB because he is one. That's why he wasn't sold despite his average performances at RB. And that's also why we went out and bought Azpi.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

He seems to lose his head occasionally remember against Wigan last season ??

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

I'm talking about the past two seasons, and in the past two seasons he's played at CB much more than he has at RB. And he's done well at CB because he is one. That's why he wasn't sold despite his average performances at RB. And that's also why we went out and bought Azpi.

Except his worst ever display imo was at CB against Swansea last season.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Except his worst ever display imo was at CB against Swansea last season.

Not that he never made at CB, but that was strictly Benitez's fault. Our CBs had no passing options throughout the game and Swansea were constantly pressing them. Wrong back-passes were inevitable.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Not that he never made at CB, but that was strictly Benitez's fault. Our CBs had no passing options throughout the game and Swansea were constantly pressing them. Wrong back-passes were inevitable.

Yeah once, okay. But he did it twice. You can't deny that that was his worst performance ever for us. Single handily dumped us out of the cup IMO.

[Jase 43,479]

Not that he never made at CB, but that was strictly Benitez's fault. Our CBs had no passing options throughout the game and Swansea were constantly pressing them. Wrong back-passes were inevitable.

Although Swansea did press us, in no way those 2 goals came because of Benitez's fault. The 1st goal conceded came all because of a poor first touch by Ivanovic as he received the ball from Turnbull and the second one happened because of a under hit back pass and not aware of who's behind him.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Yeah once, okay. But he did it twice. You can't deny that that was his worst performance ever for us. Single handily dumped us out of the cup IMO.

Iva's distribution was never as good as JT's or Luiz's. The manager should not expect him to to find the right pass under pressure for 90 mins. You can't play Mata in goal and then blame him for conceding goals.

Although Swansea did press us, in no way those 2 goals came because of Benitez's fault. The 1st goal conceded came all because of a poor first touch by Ivanovic as he received the ball from Turnbull and the second one happened because of a under hit back pass and not aware of who's behind him.

Our CB's were under pressure for the whole 90 mins because they had absolutely no passing options. We played the game without a holding midfielder and no one from the 3 AMs dropped to receive the ball. The mistakes from Iva were inevitable, if not in those two particular plays then definitely in some other plays.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Iva's distribution was never as good as JT's or Luiz's. The manager should not expect him to to find the right pass under pressure for 90 mins. You can't play Mata in goal and then blame him for conceding goals.

Our CB's were under pressure for the whole 90 mins because they had absolutely no passing options. We played the game without a holding midfielder and no one from the 3 AMs dropped to receive the ball. The mistakes from Iva were inevitable, if not in those two particular plays then definitely in some other plays.

It was a simple underhit back pass to the goal keeper which he messed up twice. It wasn't like he tried to distribute in between players.

I don't like Rafa but I won't blame him for Ivanovic's dreadful mistakes.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

It was a simple underhit back pass to the goal keeper which he messed up twice. It wasn't like he tried to distribute in between players.

I don't like Rafa but I won't blame him for Ivanovic's dreadful mistakes.

In those two passes he did make a mistake, but he must have played that pass over a dozen times in that match because the manager's mistakes left him stranded with out passing options. He was bound to get a couple wrong.

I was one of the biggest defenders of Rafa, but IMO he takes the blame for this one.

[themightyblue 443]

I'm talking about the past two seasons, and in the past two seasons he's played at CB much more than he has at RB. And he's done well at CB because he is one. That's why he wasn't sold despite his average performances at RB. And that's also why we went out and bought Azpi.

He didn't play more at CB in the season before last, Bosingwa's time as first choice RB didn't last that long and after about 3 months Ivan became first choice there. I really would like to see evidence for these average performances, as was pointed out had he been as average as you say then coming 2nd in the chelsea poty awards two seasons in a row and being selected in the PFA team of the season wouldn't have happened. His RB performances have declined since then, but that was mainly because back then he was a lot more leaner and pretty much the best RB in England along with Sagna, but even now he's still solid more often than not