Graham Potter Thread

[robsblubot 3,504]

I think the timing and circumstances around Potter appointment made it less likely to succeed even when it was always a bet like few others (as discussed above).

Many of these players have won the CL. I know some here think that's not a big deal, a fluke, and I strongly disagree. It takes quality and a high level of discipline, which is what makes it so difficult a feat.

Regardless, the point is that it also brings other things: increases the value of players, which leads to contract talks and inflated egos. And pretty much the same set of players are now managed by someone without any important accomplishment in football as well as coming from a much smaller club. If that does not play a part, then nothing will imo.

[lucio 5,418]

27 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

 

 

You approved the TT sacking, you wouldn't even give a so called "elite" manger time 

Knee jerk comment. I never thought he would be fired and I wasn't happy with the firing 

[lucio 5,418]

14 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Exactly, so who are you expecting to be our new manager and perform miracles in the scoring department?

Literally anyone not English and mediocre. Don't act like Potter was our only option. He should never have been in the frame for the job 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

13 minutes ago, lucio said:

Literally anyone not English and mediocre. Don't act like Potter was our only option. He should never have been in the frame for the job 

Names 

[lucio 5,418]

Just now, YorkshireBlue said:

Names 

You have called treble winning managers shit and think potters Brighton were on par with klopps dortmund so I will keep the names to myself. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

18 minutes ago, lucio said:

You have called treble winning managers shit and think potters Brighton were on par with klopps dortmund so I will keep the names to myself. 

Because you haven't a bloody clue mate, your a knee jerk poster and a fraud fan. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

40 minutes ago, Hashishi said:

I dare not say it, but even Mou 3.0 is better than Potter. He is getting results out of a barebones Roma squad that plays twice a week. Potter can't even win a game with £600m.

You have just lost all credibility with one post. Spend massive on Youth talent then bring in the youth grim reaper, take a bow lad!! What an idea.

Edited February 17, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[lucio 5,418]

9 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Because you haven't a bloody clue mate, your a knee jerk poster and a fraud fan. 

I've been a fan since I was born. 

[TheHulk 1,858]

17 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Because you haven't a bloody clue mate, your a knee jerk poster and a fraud fan. 

Looks like he is a Chelsea fan who wants what's best for the club, you on the other side look like an English fan.

[Hashishi 148]

18 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Because you haven't a bloody clue mate, your a knee jerk poster and a fraud fan. 

 

17 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

You have just lost all credibility with one post. Spend massive on Youth talent then bring in the youth grim reaper, take a bow lad!! What an idea.

You're very quick to point out accusations but have yet to back up your point with ONE piece of evidence. Just one stat or source that says Potter is the manager for us. All you do is respond with sarcasm and plain rudeness but there is no substance to your argument so unfortunately you are the one with no credibility.

[Vegetable 830]

All I can hope for if for the board to exhibit similar level of passion and heat when assessing this matter as this thread here 😆 

[Gundalf 804]

1 hour ago, Hashishi said:

 

You're very quick to point out accusations but have yet to back up your point with ONE piece of evidence. Just one stat or source that says Potter is the manager for us. All you do is respond with sarcasm and plain rudeness but there is no substance to your argument so unfortunately you are the one with no credibility.

I will give u some evidence. And the evidence is right there in this picture that was supposed to mock Potter:

As you can see there, and as I mentioned a few days ago, it shows that our decline began under Tuchel, which was a heavy decline. The decline rate has basically been the same since Potter took over. So yes, Potter struggled hard to stop that decline that Tuchel started, BUT, as you can also see in the graph, we seem to have reached a kind of turning point recently, with xG FOR going up again by quite some margin and xG AIGAINST coming down quite a bit. 

So in my opinion, we should wait and see till the end of the season if this is just a coincidence, or if its maybe really a trend of improvement that will keep going over the next few games. So my suggestion is to watch this statistic till the end of the season and assess it. Bc IF this is the start of a turning point that keeps on going, it would be harmful to change manager and throw everything all over again in the middle of the season. 

Edited February 17, 2023 by Gundalf

[Blue Armour 4,289]

Do we REALLY want every decision to be correct?': Graham Potter claims it would be 'BORING' if there were no human errors in football as the Chelsea boss defends VAR referees... admitting he prefers a system where 'whatever mistake happens, happens'

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11763501/Chelsea-boss-Graham-Potter-claims-boring-decision-correct-football.html

 

While I understand where he's coming from, and also agree that ranting about referees won't change VAR decisions, I dont see how his refreshing take will be seen by the players.

Especially when players, especially winning players, are the first to get infuriated by on field decisions. Didier Drogba, anyone?

I want Potter to succeed, but these kind of oddball comments might not serve him well. It would be better for him to not say anything at all.

Maybe he is trying to instill a different kind of culture. Hopefully it only serves him well.

[Vegetable 830]

10 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

While I understand where he's coming from, and also agree that ranting about referees won't change VAR decisions, I dont see how his refreshing take will be seen by the players.

 

Would be fine and refreshing, if only he wasn't speaking as a manager of the club that's traditionally shafted on every occasion by refs and even freaking government like no other. I can understand that the new board may want to change it, but it's like with school bullies - being silent or playing it down won't necessarily make things better… But it needs owner being vocal either publicly or not about it as well.

Edited February 17, 2023 by Vegetable

[Blue Armour 4,289]

Just now, Vegetable said:

Would be fine and refreshing, if only he wasn't manager of the club that's traditionally shafted on every occasion by refs and even freaking government like no other. I can understand that the new board may want to change it, but it's like with school bullies - being silent or playing it down won't necessarily make things better…  

I just hope he isn't spouting the same stuff in the dressing room.

Imagine a player gets wrongfully red carded. Is he going to tell then to 'chin up & move on?'.

Hopefully he's got it right and it works well.

[Blue Armour 4,289]

Graham Potter defends goal-shy Chelsea's failure to sign a proven hitman as embattled boss points out buying a big-money striker like Romelu Lukaku 'didn't fix the problem' previously at Stamford Bridge

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11764595/Graham-Potter-defends-Chelseas-failure-sign-proven-goalscorer.html

 

This on the other hand,  is exactly the kind of stuff I want to hear from Potter.

Our tactics and need for a no.9

He has rightly pointed out that City won the league without a recognized no.9 . So did we in the CL 2021.

All fair points.

 

 

 

 

 

[Thor 2,392]

8 hours ago, Gundalf said:

I will give u some evidence. And the evidence is right there in this picture that was supposed to mock Potter:

As you can see there, and as I mentioned a few days ago, it shows that our decline began under Tuchel, which was a heavy decline. The decline rate has basically been the same since Potter took over. So yes, Potter struggled hard to stop that decline that Tuchel started, BUT, as you can also see in the graph, we seem to have reached a kind of turning point recently, with xG FOR going up again by quite some margin and xG AIGAINST coming down quite a bit. 

So in my opinion, we should wait and see till the end of the season if this is just a coincidence, or if its maybe really a trend of improvement that will keep going over the next few games. So my suggestion is to watch this statistic till the end of the season and assess it. Bc IF this is the start of a turning point that keeps on going, it would be harmful to change manager and throw everything all over again in the middle of the season. 

Great points. 

Look at that period 15-7 before he was sacked. Expected goals conceded rising consistently, and a massive jump from 0-7 just before. Same with the expected goals for, just a nosedive. 

Based on the chart, the bleeding has been stopped now - with a healthier and fuller squad. And a sharp rise recently for Potter. Lets see how we play moving forward. 

[Vesper 28,831]

1 minute ago, Thor said:

as I mentioned a few days ago, it shows that our decline began under Tuchel, which was a heavy decline

exactly

Tuchel was in freefall

he had to go

all this revisionist gaslighting by so many that we whacked a top of his game super genius is bullshit