Hashishi 148 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Boehly out. Potter out. We are a joke now. No club will want to deal with us. No player will want to come to us. There is no vision. There is no plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,106 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, whats happening said: this was probably 85 millions now, and with later payments which would be more than the 120m release clause...idk why is everyone calling out boehly for this. reasonable offer instead of the crazy straight up 120 million. that is NOT what I understand to have happened I thought that we had agreed to something simlar to what you said Quote this was probably 85 millions now, and with later payments which would be more than the 120m release clause. BUT apparently it is NOT what happened the €85m offer was the total, not the initial payment @FabrizioRomano Excl: Chelsea official proposal for Enzo Fernández was never €120m or €127m. The final proposal made to Benfica was €85m fee. Edited January 4, 2023 by Vesper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,483 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 to be fair 85M is perfectly normal bid for enzo pay 130M it is too much for him, no matter how good he is its a lot of money and that is the type of signings that trasnformer the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,647 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, Vesper said: that is NOT what I understand to have happened I thought that we had agreed to something simlar to what you said BUT apparently it is NOT what happened the €85m offer was the total, not the initial payment @FabrizioRomano Excl: Chelsea official proposal for Enzo Fernández was never €120m or €127m. The final proposal made to Benfica was €85m fee. Our fanbase getting completely delusional at this point because they can't comprehend that owner is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,106 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mário César said: to be fair 85M is perfectly normal bid for enzo pay 130M it is too much for him, no matter how good he is its a lot of money and that is the type of signings that trasnformer the market €85m (£74m) is only £12m more than we paid for a backup LB (CuCu) and I have never heard 130m euros (let alone pounds) that is 3m to 10m more than most reports said (and were apparently massively off the the other way in terms of what our actual off was) Blue Armour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 10,239 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 127m was a ridiculous sum if money for a holding midfielder BUT we needed him that badly. Who the fuck are they going for now?? Who?? Enzo has it all... 😭😭😭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,345 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, DDA said: 127m was a ridiculous sum if money for a holding midfielder BUT we needed him that badly. Who the fuck are they going for now?? Who?? Enzo has it all... 😭😭😭 We will still get him mkh and DDA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,647 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 45 minutes ago, whats happening said: this was probably 85 millions now, and with later payments which would be more than the 120m release clause...idk why is everyone calling out boehly for this. reasonable offer instead of the crazy straight up 120 million. The negotiation between Benfica and Chelsea got stuck. There was no agreement after 3 meetings. Chelsea did not arrive at the amount with which they had started the negotiation. There is no other meeting scheduled for the next few days -for now-. FUCKING CONFIRMATION that Benfica came at the table with one offer and after Chelsea tried to lowball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Vesper said: that is NOT what I understand to have happened I thought that we had agreed to something simlar to what you said BUT apparently it is NOT what happened the €85m offer was the total, not the initial payment @FabrizioRomano Excl: Chelsea official proposal for Enzo Fernández was never €120m or €127m. The final proposal made to Benfica was €85m fee. Romano was one of these pushing a couple of days ago that we were in talks for the 120-127m figure and now he's saying that was never our proposal. Let's have it out, he has a big following and he seems to have developed a niche for being someone to get in first when a deal is essentially happening but there are also a lot of transfer rumours he puts out which either amount to nothing or are lacking any real detail that allows him to sidestep away if it's not happening. I don't blame him, it's his job and it's a lucrative job being able to feed that beast. But he like many others are fed most of their information by agents who are spinning their own narrative to suit their own clients and agendas. It's why so much transfer information on the internet is complete horseshit. We used to be able to rely on Matt Law a lot more as he seemingly had a source within the club but now with Roman out, he too is on the outer (even admitted it on a podcast that it's much more of a struggle getting information from out of Chelsea now). The one person out there that I feel comfortable with being 95% confident in is David Ornstein who seems to be first with a lot of exclusives, many of which haven't even been rumoured or reported, and he generally remains very coy on a number of 'hot' transfer rumours doing the rounds, probably because he knows many are complete bollocks. Although I haven't seen anything myself yet, from what it appears on Twitter his stance has always been that Chelsea were looking at Enzo but with a price in mind that wasn't as high as the release clause. I think, like usual, this transfer report has gone into overdrive and too many people are trying to push an exclusive to be the first rather than the actual reality of the situation. Now one thing that Boehly does have to learn because it was clearly an issue in the summer, is a lot of clubs/agents/media seem to be using us at present to feed the media narrative, which was nowhere near as clear and obvious under Roman/Marina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashishi 148 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 We are the new arsenal. The new joke of the league. Penny pinching and signing youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,666 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 27 minutes ago, Vesper said: that is NOT what I understand to have happened I thought that we had agreed to something simlar to what you said BUT apparently it is NOT what happened the €85m offer was the total, not the initial payment @FabrizioRomano Excl: Chelsea official proposal for Enzo Fernández was never €120m or €127m. The final proposal made to Benfica was €85m fee. no one knows what happened, not even this clown fabrizio. but, my guess was my previous post. there is no way imo that benfica would even start to conversate with our board about the player if they knew our offer was unacceptable. so after few days of negotiating they decided that the 85m inital fee + addons and future payments were not enough and thats it. Superblue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Here we are, 4 days ago he wasn't feeding the hype machine like every other journalist seemingly has who are now back tracking. He was seemingly bang on the money. I'd be much more inclined to believe and trust David Ornstein then the reports we were ready to pay 127m. Strike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,647 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 All these ITK turds may be lying attention seekers but this time all of them reported that we were willing to pay the release clause which was true even Benfica believed this when they started sitting at the tables discussing but now idiot American changed his mind and showed other numbers, now all ITK look like idiots but in reality there is only one idiot and that's our owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,106 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said: We will still get him ZERO (sub ZERO) chance Benfica accepts €85m (£74m) so either we cough up the €120m (£105m) or its no sale I don't blame Benfica AT ALL they have no obligation to fuck themselves we are likely going to be the laughingstocks of the last TWO transfer windows the club is already in serious crisis mode we fuck around and make bad choices this January and then in the summer 2023 window and then combine that with the disastrous last 2 summers, and we may well be headed for years without CL that is an insane loss of revenue combine that with the massive loss of revenue (and prestige) each season from having an ancient, small, woefully inadequate stadium, PLUS the horrid wage bill from our shitbox buys (example: 70m euros in salary for KK over the next 4 years!!!!!) and we are well down the path to being fucked in regards to FFP on a medium to long term event horizon Edited January 5, 2023 by Vesper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Just now, whats happening said: no one knows what happened, not even this clown fabrizio. but, my guess was my previous post. there is no way imo that benfica would even start to conversate with our board about the player if they knew our offer was unacceptable. so after few days of negotiating they decided that the 85m inital fee + addons and future payments were not enough and thats it. That would be my take too. Our enquiries and initial proposals have been enough to bring Benfica to the table to see what they could possibly get out of a deal, but there's clearly a large difference between valuations. Absolutely no way I'm willing to believe we'd told Benfica we'll pay 127m and then changed our minds and knocked a third of the fee off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,647 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Superblue said: Here we are, 4 days ago he wasn't feeding the hype machine like every other journalist seemingly has who are now back tracking. He was seemingly bang on the money. I'd be much more inclined to believe and trust David Ornstein then the reports we were ready to pay 127m. The only reason this guy wasn't eating at the same table with the other clowns is because his connection most likely was aware Chelsea was gonna lowball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Just now, TheHulk said: The only reason this guy wasn't eating at the same table with the other clowns is because his connection most likely was aware Chelsea was gonna lowball. Or he isn't a sheep and actually gets relevant information himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,647 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, whats happening said: no one knows what happened, not even this clown fabrizio. but, my guess was my previous post. there is no way imo that benfica would even start to conversate with our board about the player if they knew our offer was unacceptable. so after few days of negotiating they decided that the 85m inital fee + addons and future payments were not enough and thats it. They didn't fucking knew because Chelsea told them it would be 120m and now lowballed. This guy reliable as far as I know and practically confirms this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,106 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Superblue said: Absolutely no way I'm willing to believe we'd told Benfica we'll pay 127m and then changed our minds and knocked a third of the fee off. that's what I thought too, but now, well it seems like that is a distinct possibility time will tell BUT if we did do that, we are fucking bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,106 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TheHulk said: They didn't fucking knew because Chelsea told them it would be 120m and now lowballed. This guy reliable as far as I know and practically confirms this. absolute MADNESS if true! Edited January 5, 2023 by Vesper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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