Chelsea Transfers

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

You think so? Even more so now? I severely doubt that. Why would any club spend 35m for a player who hasnt scored more than 5 goals at club level in one season since 2016-17 prior to this COVID situation, never mind now? I mean I still find it daft we tried to buy him for 35m in the summer window the year before we got him in January. 

I get hes English but players such as him and even Danny Drinkwater arent going to go for anywhere from here for near those sort of fees because quite frankly they are shite or dont do it often enough. Simple as that. I mean I bet Villa are thinking why the fuck did we actually loan Drinkwater instead of recruiting someone else (which was suprising as theyve bought some good players in recent times).

Your crazy if you think we will get anywhere near that fee for Ross imo. Even more so with all the uncertainty around the PL and clubs budgets for when the football season kicks off again. This is why shifting a collection of these duds in the loan army and squad is going to be even more difficult now because what clubs gonna be going okay lets spend 35m on Ross Barkley/20-25m on Danny Drinkwater/however much for Batshuayi etc. Ok they might have suitors but again whos gonna pay the full price for them when a lot of clubs are in delicate positions due to this COVID-19, trying to keep their clubs running, paying all their staff particularly ones who arent multimillionaire PL footballers and whatever else. 

 

Yes I do think. Tbh I do not know how will COVID19 effect clubs so will put that aside...

Also Barkley since season 16/17... In 17/18 he did not play at all. In 18/19 season 3 goals and 5 assist in the PL (just 1241 minutes). Goal or assist on every 155 minutes. Very solid. He is far from shit.

19/20 3 goals 4 assist (1125 minutes all comps). Again very solid in limited time. In regular full season 3000+ minutes Barkley would give you 10+10 season. But after all Ross is just squad player for us. No issues having him as one of the 6 midfielders. 

You forgot he is regular England international?  He scored 4 goals in the last 8 games for ENG. As you mentioned English players cost more. Every midfielder who plays for England costs a lot. Winks, Dele, Rice, OX, Maddison, Grealish...

Do not put Barkley and Drinkwater in same bracket. Ross is completely different level.

How much Liverpool paid for OX? Leicester for Ayoze? Everton for Sigurdsson? Arsenal for Xhaka? Everton for Iwobi?

I do rate Ross a lot, it is on Frank to make him one of the best midfielders in the league. But not sure he can do that and it looks like he has different plans so we can sell him for a lot of money.

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Chelsea are ahead of Premier League rivals Manchester United and Arsenal in the race to sign Stoke City defender Nathan Collins, according to reports.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/05/chelsea-leading-man-utd-arsenal-transfer-race-sign-nathan-collins-12512818/

Collins, 18, is regarded as one of the most talented and promising players outside of the Premier League. The teenager made his first-team debut at the start of the season and has gone on to feature 12 times for Stoke, who are currently 17th in the Championship. Manchester United expressed interest in signing Collins last year but he ended up signing a new contract at Stoke as the Red Devils stalled over launching a move.

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[NikkiCFC 8,334]

23 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Chelsea are ahead of Premier League rivals Manchester United and Arsenal in the race to sign Stoke City defender Nathan Collins, according to reports.

Ooh ok then! Let them have Sancho 

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12 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Ooh ok then! Let them have Sancho 

the Spanish papers are claiming its a done deal for Sancho with Manure 

I was just putting that Collins post up as he is supposedly now a wee target

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4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Also Barkley since season 16/17... In 17/18 he did not play at all. In 18/19 season 3 goals and 5 assist in the PL (just 1241 minutes). Goal or assist on every 155 minutes. Very solid. He is far from shit.

Barkley's 18/19 league numbers look decent...until you realize that the 3 goals and 3 of the 5 assists all came in October 2018, when he had that purple patch. If you take that out of the equation, it's 0 goals and just 2 assists in 1,049 minutes.

4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

19/20 3 goals 4 assist (1125 minutes all comps). Again very solid in limited time. In regular full season 3000+ minutes Barkley would give you 10+10 season. But after all Ross is just squad player for us. No issues having him as one of the 6 midfielders. 

That highlighted part is just an assumption. There's no guarantee he will give you 10 goals and 10 assists per season just you because you double his returns based on the minutes. Barkley played 2,287 league minutes in 13/14 and had 6 goals and 2 assists; 3,086 league minutes in 15/16 and had 8 goals and 8 assists; 2,906 league minutes in 16/17 and had 5 goals and 9 assists.

Some players are just not consistent enough to hit double figures in both goals and assists, like Willian. 

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

12 hours ago, Jason said:

Barkley's 18/19 league numbers look decent...until you realize that the 3 goals and 3 of the 5 assists all came in October 2018, when he had that purple patch. If you take that out of the equation, it's 0 goals and just 2 assists in 1,049 minutes.

That highlighted part is just an assumption. There's no guarantee he will give you 10 goals and 10 assists per season just you because you double his returns based on the minutes. Barkley played 2,287 league minutes in 13/14 and had 6 goals and 2 assists; 3,086 league minutes in 15/16 and had 8 goals and 8 assists; 2,906 league minutes in 16/17 and had 5 goals and 9 assists.

Some players are just not consistent enough to hit double figures in both goals and assists, like Willian. 

Point is do you think we should sell him and can we get a lot of money? Yes, he is inconsistent.

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

BS because Bayern is paying 8,5m for one year loan. Plus his salary between 11,5-13,5m. So all together it would be more than 20m for one year loan.

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54 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

BS because Bayern is paying 8,5m for one year loan. Plus his salary between 11,5-13,5m. So all together it would be more than 20m for one year loan.

This whole Coutinho thing would actually be believable if the usual Chelsea-English journalists have mentioned it but all the stories are coming from Spain or Barcelona-based media so far...

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[King Kante 1,643]

16 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Be interesting how this plays out. What about players who do not want to play for their teams anymore and are looking at a move to a bigger club when the season does finish. What happens if they pick up a long term injury? 

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1 hour ago, King Kante said:

Be interesting how this plays out. What about players who do not want to play for their teams anymore and are looking at a move to a bigger club when the season does finish. What happens if they pick up a long term injury? 

Lawsuits galore!

 

[milka 3,393]

We spent £70m on Bakayoko + Drinkwater and certain people on here are saying Coutinho is overpriced 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

I am really not sold on Coutinho. I could accept he didn't work out at Barca, but then not working out at Bayren also? I really don't like £70M projects.

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[NikkiCFC 8,334]

11 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 but then not working out at Bayren also? I really don't like £70M projects.

9 goals and 8 assists in 1823 minutes in the Bundesliga and CL. Goal or assist every 107 minutes. 

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

11 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Of course he will leave for the bigger club. I was hoping we go for world class CB. Upamecano is probably worth a shot. With one year left on contract he would cost 35m max.

[King Kante 1,643]

I am ok with Coutinho on a loan, I think if we can pay a loan fee of around £7m or under then he will be ok business as at the moment it looks like both Peds and Willian are off and we have a real need for some players in the 25-29 year old bracket. 

That said, I wouldn't be up for a straight out buy and/or a loan with compulsory buy. I say this as whilst a good player he has been overrated since his Dipper days and at 28 in June he is pretty much a sunk cost as by the time he does a couple of seasons he is 30. Further, his wages long term are an issue. Thankfully, as much as I do not like Granny, she isn't know for buy players for serious dosh over the age of 27 with the only exception being Drinky. 

Another thing going for a Coutinho loan is that I think this Covid situation is going to screw up the market and we may not see as many players move. For instance, I would be very surprised to see Sancho move now and if he does it would only be to someone like Utd as they have the deepest pockets. 

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[NikkiCFC 8,334]

15 hours ago, King Kante said:

I would be very surprised to see Sancho move now and if he does it would only be to someone like Utd as they have the deepest pockets. 

Manchester United owe £169m on the likes of Harry Maguire and Bruno Fernandes while Bournemouth are on the hook for £77m... how much money does YOUR club still owe on transfers as impending financial crisis looms?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8204221/How-money-does-club-owe-transfers-impending-financial-crisis-looms.html

Wonder how much actually can UTD spend because of this. Look at us on this table. We are in best position. Plus Morata money is coming.

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Bayern press on with transfer plans as rivals fret over their future

https://theathletic.com/1721627/2020/04/08/bayern-hansi-flick/

“We are trying to be good role models,” said Hansi Flick on Tuesday at his first press conference since signing a long-term-deal to stay at the club.

The 55-year-old, who has extended his contract as coach until 2023, was specifically referencing the team’s return to training — in small, staggered groups, sans tackles and showers — but could have just easily been speaking about Bayern Munich’s transfer dealings.

While the whole of the European elite appear shell-shocked and paralysed by the financial fall-out of COVID-19, the German champions feel secure enough to make important decisions in relation to their squad planning.

So far, it’s only one done deal. Thomas Muller has agreed to renew until the same time as the coach but negotiations with David Alaba, Thiago and Manuel Neuer, all out of contract in 2021, are continuing.

Flick emphasised his close relationship with Neuer — they worked together in the national team, when Flick was Joachim Low’s assistant — and stressed that “everybody at the club would be happy if Manu were to stay.”  The 34-year-old goalkeeper reportedly wants to play on until 2025 but Bayern have only offered him the same termination date as Muller.

Unprompted, Flick also expressed his hope that Alaba “outstanding” and Thiago “on a special, very high level” would stay. They were “both leading figures, performance-wise,” Flick added. It remains to be seen if agreements can be reached. The club certainly will take note of his wishes but will also be careful not to over-burden themselves.

What they can offer, sizeable wages aside, is a generally sunny outlook — the team have hugely improved under Flick over the last five months since Niko Kovac’s exit — and stability.

It’s unclear right now if the handful of sides who could reasonably afford the services of the aforementioned trio are in any position to offer the necessary salaries and transfer fees to facilitate such deals.

The players may believably threaten to run down their contract and move as free-agents at the end of next season, when the situation in Europe may have improved.

There’s therefore no guarantee that Alaba and Thiago will end up staying. Finding a compromise with Neuer over the length of his contract looks more straightforward right now, by comparison.

Things are more complicated still when it comes to signing new recruits. The Manchester City and Germany winger Leroy Sane does remain a key target for 2020-21 but there are concerns over the 24-year-old’s commitment to the aborted move.

An agreement had been found before his injury but the winger’s change of management this winter has set back negotiations considerably.

While his knee surgery by an Austrian specialist is said to have gone well, there have also been persistent reports that sections of the Bayern hierarchy harbour doubts over the player’s mentality.

In addition, Flick has been rumoured to favour Timo Werner, who is available for roughly €60 million thanks to a release clause. The RB Leipzig player can play on the wing but is perhaps better used as a deep-lying centre-forward.

Asked by The Athletic whether a system with two strikers was feasible in principle, Flick replied that it was necessary for Bayern to “be more flexible next season — it’s important to have options, including playing with two strikers.”

The answer may be understood as a tacit Werner endorsement but one should be careful not to read too much into a statement that was probably more general in nature.

Earlier in his press conference, Flick had underlined the importance of bringing through youngsters such as Joshua Zirkzee, who has scored three goals, mostly from the bench. In the hour of need, the 18-year-old Dutch forward has sometimes been positioned as a second focal point in the box against deep defences, alongside Robert Lewandowski.

Despite some of those misgivings and the considerable hurdle of agreeing a deal with Manchester City, Bayern’s preference for Sane still outweighs that for Werner, as was the case last summer.

Flick’s appointment to a full-time job won’t change this equation. He had demanded a kind of “veto right” on transfers but was noticeably his humble self once more, explaining that this term might have sounded “very tough” but was meant to be seen as part of the normal way of doing business at a club of Bayern’s size: “We exchange views and then take decisions together. Coaches have a right to be consulted. That was the case for my predecessors as well.”

That is true. But as his predecessors can attest, the club will always take a long view, rather than the coaches’ view, if the two are not closely aligned. It’s a simple fact of life that player contracts are worth hundreds of millions and tend to last longer than the stays of coaches in Munich, even the successful and well-liked ones.

Just as Bayern didn’t think it wise to accommodate Kovac’s wish to buy Ante Rebic, Luca Jovic (both Eintracht Frankfurt) and Kevin Vogt (then at Hoffenheim), they won’t follow Flick’s lead unless they are convinced it is right for the club.

That board-driven strategy does explain why head-strong managers tend to have a tough time at Sabener Strasse, but it’s also a one of the secrets of their financial success — and the reason why they can make big moves while others fear for their existence.