Chelsea Transfers

[Atomiswave 6,117]

Im not a an accountant or anything........but if we have slagged off for 2 years regarding buys, and at the same time have sold players for shit ton, then that surely money in the bank or shall I say money in the war chest no?

 

[1905didierblue 748]

3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

bollocks

and so condescending

lol at posting links at me, as if I am not aware of those for ages

you are 100% full of shite

your entire tosh is ridiculous on its face, as you 'disappear' monies simply because they occurred (ie came in) from the previous year

it is like saying I could not buy any equities in June 2020 using funds from a billion pound sterling stock sale in June 2019

you don't have the slightest clue on financials

sorry not sorry

or

Sarri not Sarri I should say

 

 

Hhahahaha. Come on man, let's have a bet. You who have so much financial knowledge vs me who has none. 

Let's go. A 1000£ wager right here.

Time to see who is the one shitting. 

[1905didierblue 748]

1 minute ago, Atomiswave said:

Im not a an accountant or anything........but if we have slagged off for 2 years regarding buys, and at the same time have sold players for shit ton, then that surely money in the bank or shall I say money in the war chest no?

 

A. We have not slagged off for 2 years. Infact in 18/19 we had a net spend of 120+ mil. Which is offset by this summer which has a net of +100mil. So the board already prepared for this window by over spending on the likes of pulisic. 

B. We are not even a profitable organization. If we made "profits" it would normally go towards the settling of our 1B debt, but not sure how they do it at the club (not that we have many profits to show). In the last 5 years till 17/18 we have a cumulative 6mil£ of net profit despite curbing on our spending and selling really well. Which shows that our wages and amortized values (basically our expenses) are still too high. 

 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

3 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

A. We have not slagged off for 2 years. Infact in 18/19 we had a net spend of 120+ mil. Which is offset by this summer which has a net of +100mil. So the board already prepared for this window by over spending on the likes of pulisic. 

B. We are not even a profitable organization. If we made "profits" it would normally go towards the settling of our 1B debt, but not sure how they do it at the club (not that we have many profits to show). In the last 5 years till 17/18 we have a cumulative 6mil£ of net profit despite curbing on our spending and selling really well. Which shows that our wages and amortized values (basically our expenses) are still too high. 

 

No I used it as an examlpe.......and I may be mistaken but we have no debt no? Didnt Roman clean that out years ago?

[1905didierblue 748]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2016/aug/24/transfer-window-market-myths

Read the last part. "Net spend" is a simplistic thing for us fans. It literally means nothing, it's just easier to understand and explain. 

Read about amortization (which is apparently shit 😂)

[Vesper 30,083]

13 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Hhahahaha. Come on man, let's have a bet. You who have so much financial knowledge vs me who has none. 

Let's go. A 1000£ wager right here.

Time to see who is the one shitting. 

I am NOT a goddamn man

and you clearly have no clue about what a rolling window is in regards to FFP

I also am ONLY dealing with transfer fees in and out

in terms of balancing the books (especially players year over year salary load) I would need to have full access to the club's financials to give a down to the penny full accounting when you factor in wages (all staff, not just players), insurance, and other operating expenses such as all our physical plants, etc (not to mention revenues from ticket sales, lux box sales (both of those being shit due to our ageing stadium), image rights, merch sales, sponsorship fees coming in, telly revenues, cup, euro comp, and other league generated revenues etc)

DONE

WITH

THIS

 

[1905didierblue 748]

Just now, Atomiswave said:

No I used it as an examlpe.......and I may be mistaken but we have no debt no? Didnt Roman clean that out years ago?

We are in debt to roman. 1.1billiom to be precise. It's an interest free debt, but a debt nonetheless. 

As for your case, yes the club has money is the coffers , it can incur some losses. 

But we also need to be clear of how FFP works. Which allows a loss of just 35mil€ over a 3 year window. So over buying will still need to be done within limits and depending on how much we have actually proffited. For eg, in 15/16 we had a net spend of just 3mil € (https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1)

And yet we incurred a massive loss of 85mil (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/01/premier-league-finances-club-by-club)

So it depends on the club's finances as a whole and not just of "net spend" as some would have it believe 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

1 minute ago, 1905didierblue said:

We are in debt to roman. 1.1billiom to be precise. It's an interest free debt, but a debt nonetheless. 

As for your case, yes the club has money is the coffers , it can incur some losses. 

But we also need to be clear of how FFP works. Which allows a loss of just 35mil€ over a 3 year window. So over buying will still need to be done within limits and depending on how much we have actually proffited. For eg, in 15/16 we had a net spend of just 3mil € (https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1)

And yet we incurred a massive loss of 85mil (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/01/premier-league-finances-club-by-club)

So it depends on the club's finances as a whole and not just of "net spend" as some would have it believe 

He still cleans it out though didnt he? In any case all Clubs have huge amounts of debt. And FFP is such horse shit man, otherwise city and psg would have fallen ill of it, yet nothing is going on, on that front.

Imo we can easily spend 200m come summer, easily. Marina doing it is another matter.

[1905didierblue 748]

10 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I am NOT a goddamn man

and you clearly have no clue about what a rolling window is in regards to FFP

I also am ONLY dealing with transfer fees in and out

in terms of balancing the books (especially players year over year salary load) I would need to have full access to the club's financials to give a down to the penny full accounting when you factor in wages (all staff, not just players), insurance, and other operating expenses such as all our physical plants, etc (not to mention revenues from ticket sales, lux box sales (both of those being shit due to our ageing stadium), image rights, merch sales, sponsorship fees coming in, telly revenues, cup, euro comp, and other league generated revenues etc)

DONE

WITH

THIS

 

Just in the post below I do talk about the rolling window, so ssshhh. Or wait, you just love babbling about things you seriously have no idea about.

Again, read the above post genius.

[1905didierblue 748]

4 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

He still cleans it out though didnt he? In any case all Clubs have huge amounts of debt. And FFP is such horse shit man, otherwise city and psg would have fallen ill of it, yet nothing is going on, on that front.

Imo we can easily spend 200m come summer, easily. Marina doing it is another matter.

True about debt and FFP. But we clearly seem to care a lot about it.

Again. True. I am saying we will spend somewhere around a 200m. It's the 500/600/700mil figure which I have a problem with. Specially when you are blaming the board for incompetence because the expectation itself is massively exaggerated. Our board might not be perfect, but they have done a wonderful job of turning the club into a self sufficient unit which just some years ago was all about Roman's wallet, meanwhile winning 2 PLs, 1 El, 1 fa cup in the last 5 years (in which we have a net of 6mil profit overall). Not a bad thing at all.

[Vesper 30,083]

4 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Just in the post below I do talk about the rolling window, so ssshhh. Or wait, you just love babbling about things you seriously have no idea about.

Again, read the above post genius.

you talk about it but clearly do not understand it in the slightest

and your using Transfermarkt's posted numbers as a prima facie valuation for players and thus for the cumulative value of the club is LAUGHABLE

go out and try and buy players for those 'valuations'

roflmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

quit whilst you are behind

[Vesper 30,083]

3 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

True about debt and FFP. But we clearly seem to care a lot about it.

Again. True. I am saying we will spend somewhere around a 200m. It's the 500/600/700mil figure which I have a problem with. Specially when you are blaming the board for incompetence because the expectation itself is massively exaggerated. Our board might not be perfect, but they have done a wonderful job of turning the club into a self sufficient unit which just some years ago was all about Roman's wallet, meanwhile winning 2 PLs, 1 El, 1 fa cup in the last 5 years (in which we have a net of 6mil profit overall). Not a bad thing at all.

You damn well know that the 600/700 million figure was ONLY mentioned once and was IF we also sold Kante and Rudiger on top of ALL the rest and I already stated that there was zero chance of that happening and I did not condone it overall. It was only mentioned in response to another poster and was NOT at all my actual working figures, which I had posted in great detail multiple times.

Stop trying to false frame and gaslight

it is not a good look at all