Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,085]

4 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

Every outlet is giving the same set of names as lamps' targets - Sancho/zaha, ake, Chilwell, dembele.

If lamps wants it, I am all in for it. Whatever he needs. I can see us having the following window in the summer-

Ins:

Sancho - 100mil

Chilwell - 70mil

Ake - 40mil

Dembele - 50mil

Total ins ~ 260mil

Outs:

Rudiger - 40mil

 

Rudiger out??? and for only £40m??????

you want to get rid of our best (and, when healthy, our only remotely top class ATM, Tomori may get there someday) CB??????

MADNESS

on edit, I listed the wrong Dembele, my apologies

[killer1257 3,282]

Rudiger out??? and for only £40m??????
you want to get rid of our best (and, when healthy, our only remotely top class ATM, Tomori may get there someday) CB??????
MADNESS
on edit, I listed the wrong Dembele, my apologises

I just looked at some defensive stats to compare Rüdiger and Tomori and looking into the stats, Tomori looks better. Better tackler and more interceptions.

They both lack in concentration though. Rüdiger needs to get fit first and then we can see how good he is. Right now, he will struggle against Zouma.

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[Vesper 30,085]

Just now, killer1257 said:

I just looked at some defensive stats to compare Rüdiger and Tomori and looking into the stats, Tomori looks better. Better tackler and more interceptions.

They both lack in concentration though. Rüdiger needs to get fit first and then we can see how good he is. Right now, he will struggle against Zouma.

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Zouma is horrid on the ball and passing

'every press against our back is an adventure

if he is the limit of our ambition at CB we are well and truly fucked

will not budge on this

our defensive record this year speaks volumes

one flash bursting (and pointless) run ending in a wild shot does zero to change anything

[1905didierblue 748]

22 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Rudiger out??? and for only £40m??????

you want to get rid of our best (and, when healthy, our only remotely top class ATM, Tomori may get there someday) CB??????

MADNESS

on edit, I listed the wrong Dembele, my apologises

If it was up to me, I would keep the same four as this season. But if ake is bought him, (which would be a brilliant buy as it would give us a top CB, good LB and a cover for DM), I would sell an injury prone Rudi instead of an ever improving zouma, a potentially top Andreas.

Like you said "when healthy". 

As for 40mil, it's because of the injury history. https://www.transfermarkt.com/antonio-rudiger/verletzungen/spieler/86202

This is not something to be ignored despite of his qualities.

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

29 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Rudiger out??? and for only £40m??????

you want to get rid of our best (and, when healthy, our only remotely top class ATM, Tomori may get there someday) CB??????

MADNESS

on edit, I listed the wrong Dembele, my apologises

Also my reaction when I saw the post. Rudi is by far our best CB and worth 60-70m easily. 15 teams in the PL conceded less goals than us and people are acting like Zouma and Tomori are having great season. I agree Tomori can become great in the future. 

[1905didierblue 748]

11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Zouma is horrid on the ball and passing

'every press against our back is an adventure

if he is the limit of our ambition at CB we are well and truly fucked

will not budge on this

our defensive record this year speaks volumes

one flash bursting (and pointless) run ending in a wild shot does zero to change anything

Lol

For every time zouma is got caught on the ball (which off the top of my head, have not been many since the United game), I can give you 3/4 of tomori's. Zouma's on the ball play has improved exponentially this season. Even his passing range with those change of plays to the left flank. 

Our defensive record this season has nothing to do with just zouma. Its been a system issue with set piece through out the season. How many goals have we conceded from open play bar the United opener? These are teething issues which will get better with time.

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

If it was up to me, I would keep the same four as this season. But if ake is bought him, (which would be a brilliant buy as it would give us a top CB, good LB and a cover for DM), I would sell an injury prone Rudi instead of an ever improving zouma, a potentially top Andreas.

Like you said "when healthy". 

As for 40mil, it's because of the injury history. https://www.transfermarkt.com/antonio-rudiger/verletzungen/spieler/86202

This is not something to be ignored despite of his qualities.

TBF to Rudiger, right up until last season, his injury record has been clean with us. Had no serious injuries for 2 years, excluding the 1 day muscular problem listed on that Transfermarkt site. Just so happened he picked up a knee injury and then Sarri stupidly rushed him back - which aggravated the problem - plus of course, he suddenly got this groin injury. He's already recovered from the knee injury and assuming the groin operation has cleared his problem, then we've got a healthy defender in the squad. Moreover, he's only 26 and is entering his peak. Unless more problems occur (hopefully not!), it would be silly to sell him.

[Vesper 30,085]

I am NOT going to be gaslit on Rudiger v Zouma, and on Zouma overall vesus other options/upgrades

I draw the line on this

same as I drew on Alonso (most agree with me now on that)

I have more than made my peace with Willian, as evidenced by my lack of blasting on him for ages, I think he has stepped up and bit good, (and lost his bad attitude from all that I can see) and it is a shame he is ageing, as he is a very unique player in the right system (huge motor on defence IMHO, and creates major pressing issues for teams) and I see why Barca wanted him (was just puzzled on the fee for a soon to 30yo player at the time, and one who was coming off a bad season, regardless of the cause)

Zouma is a great bloke personally, and IF we could not get a shit tonne of money (we can, for sure Everton will cough up around £40m) for him, I would not lose my mind with him as a backup CB for very specific games, but he is NOT an everyday CB for team that is trying to win trophies such as the EPL and the CL

IF we can sell AC for around the same AND we bring in a superb ball playing CB, then fine, there you go for Zouma as my back-up for specific games role, I have zero issues with that

but when we can go out and grab a younger, bigger, faster, more skilled, better passing CB in Konate, I see zero reasons to not go that route

Leipzig's defence and Konate in general were superb (best in the Bundesliga, despite a lot of injuries) last year, and he was only bloody 19

he is a freak of nature, and those types simple are not in great abundance and he has been (he is out with a slight knock atm) a starter now for 2 and  half years

 

 

[1905didierblue 748]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

TBF to Rudiger, right up until last season, his injury record has been clean with us. Had no serious injuries for 2 years, excluding the 1 day muscular problem listed on that Transfermarkt site. Just so happened he picked up a knee injury and then Sarri stupidly rushed him back - which aggravated the problem - plus of course, he suddenly got this groin injury. He's already recovered from the knee injury and assuming the groin operation has cleared his problem, then we've got a healthy defender in the squad. Moreover, he's only 26 and is entering his peak. Unless more problems occur (hopefully not!), it would be silly to sell him.

Like I said, I would keep the same 4. But given the options of the rest 3, I would personally sell him above the rest given his injury record. No where have I doubted his quality. But he has already had a knee and groin surgery. And given how these things take a toll, it would be a hard choice for me.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, 1905didierblue said:

Like I said, I would keep the same 4. But given the options of the rest 3, I would personally sell him above the rest given his injury record. No where have I doubted his quality. But he has already had a knee and groin surgery. And given how these things take a toll, it would be a hard choice for me.

Best to pass judgment until we see how he does back on the field. 

[Vesper 30,085]

35 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

If it was up to me, I would keep the same four as this season. But if ake is bought him, (which would be a brilliant buy as it would give us a top CB, good LB and a cover for DM), I would sell an injury prone Rudi instead of an ever improving zouma, a potentially top Andreas.

Like you said "when healthy". 

As for 40mil, it's because of the injury history. https://www.transfermarkt.com/antonio-rudiger/verletzungen/spieler/86202

This is not something to be ignored despite of his qualities.

well if Rudiger is shipped then we need TWO WC CBS (as we need one now for sure)

and Ake  (sell AC too as Ake for Ac should be close to a wash money-wise)

Bring in Konate and Romagnoli

I can so live with a 5 CB set up of Konate, Romagnoli, Tomori, Ake and Zouma

Chilwell at LB

make a bid for the £25m release clause Werner

and try and and go for Sancho

max (if we get Sancho) for all that is 350m to 400m, and we will have SO MUCH more (as in at least 100m and more than like MORE left over) than that if we just sell off the dregs (and will have close to it even if we do not, as we have already sold a shit tonne)

 

 

 

[killer1257 3,282]

Zouma is horrid on the ball and passing
'every press against our back is an adventure
if he is the limit of our ambition at CB we are well and truly fucked
will not budge on this
our defensive record this year speaks volumes
one flash bursting (and pointless) run ending in a wild shot does zero to change anything

I agree that Zouma looked awful at the beginning of the season (especially on the Ball), but right now, he looks solid. He improved a lot with the ball and he is such a beast physicality wise. His speed with his strenght is unique. He is the strongest guy in our team by far. I think even one of our players said that in an interview. It may have been Mount.

It is not like we did not concede goals last season. Luiz and Rüdiger looked awful plenty of times. Rüdiger lacks in Awareness and concentration and yes, he is a better Player than Zouma from a Ball playing perspective. I just looked into some stats and defending wise they are more or less the same. Rüdiger is better than Zouma in terms of passing, which every chelsea fan knows. But right now, if Zouma keeps his confidence and the chemistry he has with Tomori, Rüdiger will have a pretty hard time to get into the team. When I see Rüdiger, I see two big strenghts. He is a decent passer (sometimes with Lack of concentration he makes horrible passes but still decent passer) and his athleticism. Zouma beats him easily in athleticism.

You make it look like all goals we concede are because of Zouma, which is Not true. Alonso and Azpi have cost us a lot of goals this season. Yes Zouma cost us point at the beginning too, but he keeps improving.

And Vesper,why so negative? haha
Right now, even in Germany, Chelsea gets a lot of hype, which Never happens here because most germans hate Chelsea


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[Vesper 30,085]

3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I agree that Zouma looked awful at the beginning of the season (especially on the Ball), but right now, he looks solid. He improved a lot with the ball and he is such a beast physicality wise. His speed with his strenght is unique. He is the strongest guy in our team by far. I think even one of our players said that in an interview. It may have been Mount.

It is not like we did not concede goals last season. Luiz and Rüdiger looked awful plenty of times. Rüdiger lacks in Awareness and concentration and yes, he is a better Player than Zouma from a Ball playing perspective. I just looked into some stats and defending wise they are more or less the same. Rüdiger is better than Zouma in terms of passing, which every chelsea fan knows. But right now, if Zouma keeps his confidence and the chemistry he has with Tomori, Rüdiger will have a pretty hard time to get into the team. When I see Rüdiger, I see two big strenghts. He is a decent passer (sometimes with Lack of concentration he makes horrible passes but still decent passer) and his athleticism. Zouma beats him easily in athleticism.

You make it look like all goals we concede are because of Zouma, which is Not true. Alonso and Azpi have cost us a lot of goals this season. Yes Zouma cost us point at the beginning too, but he keeps improving.

And Vesper,why so negative? haha
Right now, even in Germany, Chelsea gets a lot of hype, which Never happens here because most germans hate Chelsea


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what do you think of Konate?

[Vesper 30,085]

3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I agree that Zouma looked awful at the beginning of the season (especially on the Ball), but right now, he looks solid. He improved a lot with the ball and he is such a beast physicality wise. His speed with his strenght is unique. He is the strongest guy in our team by far. I think even one of our players said that in an interview. It may have been Mount.

It is not like we did not concede goals last season. Luiz and Rüdiger looked awful plenty of times. Rüdiger lacks in Awareness and concentration and yes, he is a better Player than Zouma from a Ball playing perspective. I just looked into some stats and defending wise they are more or less the same. Rüdiger is better than Zouma in terms of passing, which every chelsea fan knows. But right now, if Zouma keeps his confidence and the chemistry he has with Tomori, Rüdiger will have a pretty hard time to get into the team. When I see Rüdiger, I see two big strenghts. He is a decent passer (sometimes with Lack of concentration he makes horrible passes but still decent passer) and his athleticism. Zouma beats him easily in athleticism.

You make it look like all goals we concede are because of Zouma, which is Not true. Alonso and Azpi have cost us a lot of goals this season. Yes Zouma cost us point at the beginning too, but he keeps improving.

And Vesper,why so negative? haha
Right now, even in Germany, Chelsea gets a lot of hype, which Never happens here because most germans hate Chelsea


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I know Zouma is not the only reason for the goals

our fullbacks have overall been shit too, and Tomori and AC have made errors too (AC not so much)

I am super frustrated with our defence and (I dread saying this) Kepa atm

we need to go find a GREAT GK coach, and drill Kepa till he bleeds, he has regressed so much this year

 

 

[Vesper 30,085]

40 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Also my reaction when I saw the post. Rudi is by far our best CB and worth 60-70m easily. 15 teams in the PL conceded less goals than us and people are acting like Zouma and Tomori are having great season. I agree Tomori can become great in the future. 

I have to be honest, IF we blow out and lose Chilwell, I can see the window going truly wonky

I do not trust Marina and the targeting scouts to bring it home

we have a shameful record as of late, if not foe the academy finally coming good, we would be in massive shit

I know I am pipe dreaming on Romagnoli or Konate or Skriniar, I doubt we get any

Sancho is also SO problematic as every monster team on the planet wants him

Same for Werner (especially at that price)

I am going to be pulling my hair out IF Rudiger really is fucked up to the point he will be on and off injured for the remainder of hsi stay, and all we can bring in is Ake

if not Sancho, the RW options are POOR

unless we REALLY roll the dice on the trouble child Ousame Dembele (and that assumes Barca sells him asa decent price, which is a huge IF)

I doubt the team is even looking at any of my 3 DMF targets (the £45m steal Partey or the wunderkind Camavinga or Florentino) I think they just might toss £80m or so for Declan Rice, which is a massive gamble in my book (hopefully pays off, but jesus has he looked for shit at times this year)

I cannot even be sure we will dump Alonso or Barkley or Willian (Pedro and Giroud are the only two out for sure)

IF we fail to dump the dregs (too long to list, but many are on loan) then we are smashed on those salaries too, and the transfers potential revenue losses start to get upward of 300M (NOT A JOKE) versus timely, smart sales over the past several years

I cannot take the same 4 fullbacks here next year, it is simply asking for disaster (if we fail on Chilwell I have zero clue who move for, I have seen some truly depressing liks posted, and I myself am being worn down by the board on Telles (plus his age as well)

and, also, the continuous injuries (Rudiger already discussed) to Kante (who turns 30 next season) and RLC (his achiles is FAR worse than CHO's and I really worry for his career atm)  are huge question marks 

I still have massive hope, but we really have to thread the needle on some of these players

I do NOT want to become Arsenal