Kojo 4,676 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I don't know how Mikel will fit in this system, Ramires is going to start almost every game, that's clear.But how is Mikel going to be needed? we don't need someone who sits deep, Van Ginkel and Lampard in the other slot play very well, they go forward now and then and the team becomes more fluid and unpredictable. We work harder so we don't get caught out on the counter attack as much, and we've gotten better so where not losing the ball as much.I just can't see Mikel getting much playing time in this team, and I'm not basing this after one game, because I hate people who do that. But I've said this pre season now. As for the Mikel supporters, Skipper and Choulo, do you think he has a place in the side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Choulo, do you think he has a place in the side? I think he does as he is our only geniune holding midfielder. Ramires did a very good job in that role at the weekend, but it was only Hull. And more importantly, when Rami plays that role, it restricts him and takes away his best asset which is his ability to play box-to-box and make those trade mark runs of his. Van Ginkel looked very good defensively in preseason, but he's still young, and I think his role may be restricted this season in bigger games. Not sure what Jose's plans for Essien are, but I doubt he'll be more than a squad player. So based on the above, I think Mikel will definitely play an important role. On any account, we'll have a better idea what role each player will have a few weeks into the season. Peace., didierforever and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Driver 503 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Our only genuine holding midfielder was Makelele ,Mikel is in no way a genuine holding midfielder ,he is a failed Attacking Midfielder and that is based on seven years evidence. Did anyone else notice Rammy in the Hull penalty box in the first ten minutes on Sun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Our only genuine holding midfielder was Makelele ,Mikel is in no way a genuine holding midfielder ,he is a failed Attacking Midfielder and that is based on seven years evidence. Did anyone else notice Rammy in the Hull penalty box in the first ten minutes on Sun?That's a bit unfair on Mikel. He's still a solid midfielder, when given the chance to express himself on the pitch (as shown by his performances for Nigeria).Very interested to see how Jose utilises Mikel's skill-set...he's not a genuine defensive midfielder...but in a 3-man midfield, he could finally show some consistency in his performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Sell this lazyass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 LOL at people saying mikel wont be used and all. its going to be a LONG season and i have no doubt we will be competing for atleast 3 ofthe 4 tournaments that we are going to play in. so mikel will get his CHANCES, and i have no doubt he ll be good. anyways i trust in jose to make the right call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I think he does as he is our only geniune holding midfielder. Ramires did a very good job in that role at the weekend, but it was only Hull. And more importantly, when Rami plays that role, it restricts him and takes away his best asset which is his ability to play box-to-box and make those trade mark runs of his. Van Ginkel looked very good defensively in preseason, but he's still young, and I think his role may be restricted this season in bigger games. Not sure what Jose's plans for Essien are, but I doubt he'll be more than a squad player. So based on the above, I think Mikel will definitely play an important role. On any account, we'll have a better idea what role each player will have a few weeks into the season. Ramires wont play that role, I would say he's still playing box to box. In the Hull game he made a few runs upfield, he didn't play that deep.I think it's always going to be Ramires in the double pivotMVG-RamiresLampard-RamiresEssien-RamiresMikel-RamiresHonestly I'm expecting to see a lot more of MVG and Lampard in that pivot, just because Lampards old it isn't going to restrict him, it's clear Mourinho has huge respect for him, and he played very well against Hull. Mikel has barely played any games so far when you include pre season, I think that's very strange if hes supposed to be a key player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Ramires wont play that role, I would say he's still playing box to box. In the Hull game he made a few runs upfield, he didn't play that deep.I think it's always going to be Ramires in the double pivotMVG-RamiresLampard-RamiresEssien-RamiresMikel-RamiresHonestly I'm expecting to see a lot more of MVG and Lampard in that pivot, just because Lampards old it isn't going to restrict him, it's clear Mourinho has huge respect for him, and he played very well against Hull. Mikel has barely played any games so far when you include pre season, I think that's very strange if hes supposed to be a key player.Was having this same discussion about Ramires in his thread and if you look at the numbers I posted you could clearly see that Rami was playing deeper. He didn't make a single run into the box. Lampard does brilliantly well against sides like Hull because he is so effective when it comes to scoring, but I very much doubt he's start many games in the pivot because tends to get bypassed in midfield. Defensively he contributes little to the midfield. The Skipper and Peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleed_blue 136 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Was having this same discussion about Ramires in his thread and if you look at the numbers I posted you could clearly see that Rami was playing deeper. He didn't make a single run into the box. Lampard does brilliantly well against sides like Hull because he is so effective when it comes to scoring, but I very much doubt he's start many games in the pivot because tends to get bypassed in midfield. Defensively he contributes little to the midfield. I must have been dreaming that sequence of play when Ramires pounced on a loose ball in midfield, passed it to Lampard and then almost recieved the ball back when through on goal.This is why I keep telling you to atleast watch the game before coming here and sprouting random things. One thing having a wrong opinion/interpretation but even your "facts" are wrong. Phil Driver and zolayes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Was having this same discussion about Ramires in his thread and if you look at the numbers I posted you could clearly see that Rami was playing deeper. He didn't make a single run into the box. Lampard does brilliantly well against sides like Hull because he is so effective when it comes to scoring, but I very much doubt he's start many games in the pivot because tends to get bypassed in midfield. Defensively he contributes little to the midfield. Yeah sure Lampard goes up, but you can't say that Mikel enhances the midfield completely, and if you look at the stats with and without Mikel last season it didn't look good.He made a few runs up, but the ball didn't get played to him, one game doesn't mean he's going to stick deep. But it's not like we need him running up that much anyway, we got 4 attacking players in our formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Yeah sure Lampard goes up, but you can't say that Mikel enhances the midfield completely, and if you look at the stats with and without Mikel last season it didn't look good.He made a few runs up, but the ball didn't get played to him, one game doesn't mean he's going to stick deep. But it's not like we need him running up that much anyway, we got 4 attacking players in our formation.It's not that Ramires does not want to, or he can't, it's that you need someone from your midfield to play deeper and cover if you lose the ball, even against Hull. Which is why I like to see Ramires next to a holding midfielder and not playing as one, so he do what he does best. The Skipper and Peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Well boys, Galatasaray placed a 10m bid for Mikel.To sell or not, is my question.I´d say, let him go. Currently, he won´t get to play much under Jose, I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,926 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 It's pretty clear that he's the absolute bottom of the barrel pick in midfield.I'd say sell him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 It's pretty clear that he's the absolute bottom of the barrel pick in midfield.I'd say sell him.After 2 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,926 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 After 2 games?Can you really see Jose selecting him ahead of Lamps, MvG, Ramires, or even Essien? Mikel doesn't really offer anything that the others don't.May as well cash in while we can and replace him with a player who can contribute much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mceachran 109 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Loan'm out!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Sell!Buy de rossi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 If we sell MIkel we gotta go for De Rossi. MIkel is our only genuine DM. And whether you love him or hate him, we can't go into the season expecting to challenge on all fronts without a genuine DM. pHaRaOn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 we can't go into the season expecting to challenge on all fronts without a genuine DM. Well, we're not playing with a genuine DM so why not? you think Man City cant make Barry and Garcia go because they are the only "genuine DM's"? most teams dont play with genuine DM'S.Ramires and Essien are enough. I say bring in a DLP and sell Mikel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Can you really see Jose selecting him ahead of Lamps, MvG, Ramires, or even Essien? Mikel doesn't really offer anything that the others don't.May as well cash in while we can and replace him with a player who can contribute much more.Yes, I actually can. I'm not going to say much because it's been discussed to death before but Mikel is our best DM, and if we do end up playing a few games with 4-3-3 then I can easily see him starting as our holding midfielder in that. Like I said, you really can't make serious conclusions over the role any player will play after only a mere 2 games. Pizy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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