🇳🇬 Mikel John Obi

[The Skipper 20,609]

No, you are the same, if Mikel does something bad then you simply won't mention it. And as for the good things, which i may add are the tiniest things you praise him, even when we win games he gets all the credit. And the reason for that is, is because it's that bad it's all you can praise him for, because he hardly does anything which is good or effective.

Not really. In the same post you quote, I've highlighted Mikel's mistakes. I just juxtaposed you good things he did yesterday in that same post, they are not the "tiniest things". He did well yesterday, I don't know why you just wont buck it up and admit he was decent yesterday which is far closer to the truth than saying he was bad.

Everyone experienced first hand in the United game that he can be very effective for the team in certain situations such as the game yesterday. Why you just wont admit that he had a decent game is beyond me to be honest.

[Mundaka 243]

, the biggest point is that you name me one team in the top 8 what Mikel would get into?,

gonna go with arsenal!

arsenal (with wilshere/cazorla/arteta) i think mikel would be better for them than arteta in that midfield(their usual)

on topic: i have bigger worries than mikel's role for our team, he fits in nicely with our more attacking players and im not going to disagree there are better midfielders but it wouldnt improve us much if we buy a world-class player to play the same role mikel does

[Kojo 4,676]

Not really. In the same post you quote, I've highlighted Mikel's mistakes. I just juxtaposed you good things he did yesterday in that same post, they are not the "tiniest things". He did well yesterday, I don't know why you just wont buck it up and admit he was decent yesterday which is far closer to the truth than saying he was bad.

Everyone experienced first hand in the United game that he can be very effective for the team in certain situations such as the game yesterday. Why you just wont admit that he had a decent game is beyond me to be honest.

He wasn't bad, but he wasn't great either, anyone else who would've had a performance like that they wouldn't of gotten as much praise. Ramires constantly dominates the games against Arsenal, yet doesn't get as much credit as Mikel does. I also don't get why you are so suprised with me when you're the ones who can never admit when he plays bad and isn't good enough. I remember when Mikel was playing pure dog shite, this was like november time, and you were constantly digging up excuses no matter what and wouldn't admit that Mikel had a bad game. Times like Juventus for example, when he even said sorry after the game, you just dug up anything and used it as your arguement.

Don't try and pin it on me that I'm the one who can't see clearly.

gonna go with arsenal!

arsenal (with wilshere/cazorla/arteta) i think mikel would be better for them than arteta in that midfield(their usual)

on topic: i have bigger worries than mikel's role for our team, he fits in nicely with our more attacking players and im not going to disagree there are better midfielders but it wouldnt improve us much if we buy a world-class player to play the same role mikel does

No chance, Wilshere/Arteta is a great fluid pivot, Arteta is beast, i really fought he would be a flop for Arsenal but he has been fantastic. Wilshere is starting to come back into it also, he was the only good performer against Bayern Munich.

Plus Wenger likes to have pace in all areas, he wouldn't have Mikel in there who can't move.

[Hutcho 8,443]

Mikel is the only holding midfielder we have available who actually does the "holding" bit. His effect was more than his performance as it gave rambo freedom to surge forward with protection, which he doesn't get when playing alongside anyone else. Mikel started well and did his job effectively, but there were a couple of sloppy passes that should have been fairly simple leading to counters, but he got back and defended well.

He played fairly well, but we benefited more from it giving rambo and the others a bit more freedom.

[Mundaka 243]

No chance, Wilshere/Arteta is a great fluid pivot, Arteta is beast, i really fought he would be a flop for Arsenal but he has been fantastic. Wilshere is starting to come back into it also, he was the only good performer against Bayern Munich.

Plus Wenger likes to have pace in all areas, he wouldn't have Mikel in there who can't move.

Against top-teams it doesnt work tho, they are both great players (well arteta is good but not great) but arteta in the holding role is just too offensive, they dont fit together if they dont have much possesion (Bayern fe), heck even barca has busquests...

[Kojo 4,676]

Against top-teams it doesnt work tho, they are both great players (well arteta is good but not great) but arteta in the holding role is just too offensive, they dont fit together if they dont have much possesion (Bayern fe), heck even barca has busquests...

Yeah that's true, but Arsenal are more fluid than us all round, they are more fast paced.

Bayern Munich would give us a good beating if we played our usual game instead of parking the bus, probably just about as big as Aresnal. Despite the game last night, we are still a messed up team, Munich would penetrate us just about everywhere.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

You're the only one taking it personal, what logical answer do you want?.

How so? All my comments have been about Mikel. I never called anyone delusional, short-sighted, or any of the usual "arguments" used in here.

You mean you want me to pick out how poor Mikel has been this season? I believe I've done that a thousand times, so why should i post my old arguements again if you're clearly not willing to read them?. It's obvious you wont listen to any other opinion, no matter if the facts are there you wont listen.

Sounds convincing except it's factually incorrect. I must have made over 50 posts in this thread debating with members who criticize Mikel and I always come up with arguments. Whether you wish to agree with them or not is your right.

Look at Muzchap, he likes Mikel, yet me and him are really good friends, had a few debates wtih him about it, i don't hate him. Since when did i say i hated Mikel? I don't hate Mikel, as a person he seems like a nice guy, so does Kalou, but just because they are nice people doesn't make them good footballers.

Excuse me, you are trying to discredit him even when everyone else, even his critics, could see how he changed the game. That looks like hate to me. Even The Only Place To Be, who doesn't like Mikel said on the previous page that you are blinded by your hate.

Fact is we played well and all you have done is overly praised Mikel, and then suggesting that you've proven us all wrong. By that post alone you have shown how short sighted you are and that you're not able to look at the bigger picture, if you seriously look at one performance and think that will win your arguement, then what is the point really?.

You should really have read my post if you want to debate it with me. I never praised Mikel for his performance yesterday, in fact I said it was below his standard level of performance! My argument does not depend on one performance because yesterday was not a one-off game for Mikel, but since he came off the bench in the middle of the game, you could very clearly see how much better the team is when Mikel is there to provide balance and give people license to go forward like I've been saying he does in this thread. It's not because his performance yesterday was outstanding, but because yesterday you got a chance to see the team with and without Mikel. In reality, it was just a typical Mikel performance.

You can call me stubborn, but I'm really not, the only person in denial and who can't admit when they are wrong is you. I didn't think Hazard would do well for us in his first season, i was wrong and i have even said that Hazard has proven me wrong in the Hazard thread. Many people rubbed it in my face, but you know i got on with it, because i play a fair game.

I never called you stubborn. I've never called you anything for that matter. I just said that your last post did not make sense because it's content was disjoint which is why I couldn't reply to it. This post of yours does make sense (mostly ) which is why I replied to it. Am I delusional? Maybe. It is possible, but at the time anyone is yet to convince me that Mikel is not good a player.

It's evident Mikel has been average at best so far this season, It's evident that we need new midfielders, It's evident that he hasn't flourished despite coming up 26. And the biggest point of all is,

You keep saying that, but it seems that it's only evident to you (which consequently makes it not evident by the definition of the word "evident") because most of the people in this thread, even half of Mikel's critics don't think that we need to replace him.

the biggest point is that you name me one team in the top 8 what Mikel would get into?, that's a question you have been avoiding for ages because you know the harsh truth.

If I have avoided this question it's because it will inevitably lead to a pointless discussion and shallow comparison of players with different assets. But I've said this in the past, and I'll say it again: I think Mikel and Carrick are the best holding midfielders in the league. I admit that is not saying much since the league is lacking quality DMs, but I've never said that Mikel is world-class (although he could be in a few years) but just that he's very good. I know you will probably reply outrageously how Toure is better (he is a box-to-box midfielder who could not do Mikel's job) or that Tiote is a beast but then I'd have to use stats to prove my point and you'd just get mad...

[Kojo 4,676]

How so? All my comments have been about Mikel. I never called anyone delusional, short-sighted, or any of the usual "arguments" used in here.

Sounds convincing except it's factually incorrect. I must have made over 50 posts in this thread debating with members who criticize Mikel and I always come up with arguments. Whether you wish to agree with them or not is your right.

Excuse me, you are trying to discredit him even when everyone else, even his critics, could see how he changed the game. That looks like hate to me. Even The Only Place To Be, who doesn't like Mikel said on the previous page that you are blinded by your hate.

You should really have read my post if you want to debate it with me. I never praised Mikel for his performance yesterday, in fact I said it was below his standard level of performance! My argument does not depend on one performance because yesterday was not a one-off game for Mikel, but since he came off the bench in the middle of the game, you could very clearly see how much better the team is when Mikel is there to provide balance and give people license to go forward like I've been saying he does in this thread. It's not because his performance yesterday was outstanding, but because yesterday you got a chance to see the team with and without Mikel. In reality, it was just a typical Mikel performance.

I never called you stubborn. I've never called you anything for that matter. I just said that your last post did not make sense because it's content was disjoint which is why I couldn't reply to it. This post of yours does make sense (mostly ) which is why I replied to it. Am I delusional? Maybe. It is possible, but at the time anyone is yet to convince me that Mikel is not good a player.

You keep saying that, but it seems that it's only evident to you (which consequently makes it not evident by the definition of the word "evident") because most of the people in this thread, even half of Mikel's critics don't think that we need to replace him.

If I have avoided this question it's because it will inevitably lead to a pointless discussion and shallow comparison of players with different assets. But I've said this in the past, and I'll say it again: I think Mikel and Carrick are the best holding midfielders in the league. I admit that is not saying much since the league is lacking quality DMs, but I've never said that Mikel is world-class (although he could be in a few years) but just that he's very good. I know you will probably reply outrageously how Toure is better (he is a box-to-box midfielder who could not do Mikel's job) or that Tiote is a beast but then I'd have to use stats to prove my point and you'd just get mad...

The Only Place To Be is some 40 year old stalker, he has been constantly quoting me for weeks and no matter what i shall not respond.

I don't believe anything is powerful enough, i could explain everything i know in the best possible detailed way it would change nothing, all the evidence is there but you ignore it. But to look on the bright side, I'm just glad you don't work in our board, god knows how many shite players we would have playing for us now... then again coming to think of it, you most probably do.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The Only Place To Be is some 40 year old stalker, he has been constantly quoting me for weeks and no matter what i shall not respond.

I don't believe anything is powerful enough, i could explain everything i know in the best possible detailed way it would change nothing, all the evidence is there but you ignore it. But to look on the bright side, I'm just glad you don't work in our board, god knows how many shite players we would have playing for us now... then again coming to think of it, you most probably do.

Well, to me, all the evidence is for Mikel yet you chose to ignore it. But I can admit that I might be horribly wrong about him and you completely wrong, but atm, no one has been able to convince me of that.

The board seem to agree with me on Mikel since we just gave him a 5 and half year deal. But you're lucky I'm not on the board, you'd probably get players like Dawson and Wigan's McCarhy!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Our season can take off from here - Mikel

http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-chelsea-fc/2013/03/11/our-season-can-take-off-from-here-mikel-82029-32966480/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[The Skipper 20,609]

AGAIN I SAY, If Mikel is as shit as Kojo claims to be, why hasn't he been sold yet? He's been with us for an eternity now, and every manager he's been under give him decent to many minutes.

[Stats 7,142]

The Only Place To Be is some 40 year old stalker, he has been constantly quoting me for weeks and no matter what i shall not respond.

I don't believe anything is powerful enough, i could explain everything i know in the best possible detailed way it would change nothing, all the evidence is there but you ignore it. But to look on the bright side, I'm just glad you don't work in our board, god knows how many shite players we would have playing for us now... then again coming to think of it, you most probably do.

LMAO, I found it weird that both of you are not exactly Mikel's biggest fans yet you don't seem to like each others posts. Get it now

[English Freak 456]

AGAIN I SAY, If Mikel is as shit as Kojo claims to be, why hasn't he been sold yet? He's been with us for an eternity now, and every manager he's been under give him decent to many minutes.

Maybe nobody wants to pay Chelsea's asking price for Mikel?

He'll never be world-class but he's a useful player.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Mikel

[Clevemayer 764]

are we talking about that Chelsea whom bought Sheva for 40Mio and sold him for what? 7?

Maybe nobody wants to pay Chelsea's asking price for Mikel?

[Backstreet09 499]

I just love how the fact that when the game changes, Mikel gets all the credit.

I remember last season, Lampard was taken off and i think it was Meireles or Anelka who was or even where put on in the midfield, and they hardly got any credit for changing the game, when that happened we dominated united and should of came back with 4 goals. That was when Torres missed the open goal, and a lot of other chances, but he still played very well that game, more lively than he has ever looked infact.

I actually liked Mikel last season, in AVB system the first set of games he was looking really good. But then once again he dissapointed, even though it was his time to flourish he still couldn't. Untill he starts putting in good games on a consistent basis then i will say i was wrong, but untill then i never see that happening. Infact if anything I've proven just everyone wrong at the end of last season. Everyone said i was an idiot, everyone said how stupid i was, i was the only one who was actually against Mikel being our starter, and now a lot of people agree with what i said, i bet some of them where the ones who even called me an idiot then.

Totally , I still remember our first game away at Stoke last season . ESPN did a icon analysis of Mikel about his positioning and inability to read the game . I didn't agreed with them at first, In fact I thought they were biased and racist . But then gradually i started to understand they were not biased or anything . They were truly right . He's just not good enough.

And I just don't understand why a great amount of Chelsea fan credits him for our Champions Leauge Triumph . If i'm not wrong Meireles was far better than Mikel , Pity he couldn't play the final . I miss him

I've never seeing a game where Mikel has done anything by him. He's been decent in the games where we are either dominating or defending for our life .

He's an average player , highly overrated . Well i know my opinion doesn't matter nor I've the credibility but i know majority of us has played or still play Football manager lol ? Well nobody bought him there . THIS IS HOW SHIT HE IS (:

[Backstreet09 499]

gonna go with arsenal!

arsenal (with wilshere/cazorla/arteta) i think mikel would be better for them than arteta in that midfield(their usual)

on topic: i have bigger worries than mikel's role for our team, he fits in nicely with our more attacking players and im not going to disagree there are better midfielders but it wouldnt improve us much if we buy a world-class player to play the same role mikel does

WHAAAT? you are comparing Mikel with Arteta ? well Arteta may not be world class but he is way wayy wayy better than Mikel >.<

[The only place to be 11,313]

Well, to me, all the evidence is for Mikel yet you chose to ignore it. But I can admit that I might be horribly wrong about him and you completely wrong, but atm, no one has been able to convince me of that.

The board seem to agree with me on Mikel since we just gave him a 5 and half year deal. But you're lucky I'm not on the board, you'd probably get players like Dawson and Wigan's McCarhy!

Instead of what? Letting him go on a free? I wouldn't read anything into that except us having businessmen on the board.

I'm also going to defend myself against a couple of accusations made my some yappy little dog on this thread. Firstly, I'm not 40. Secondly, I haven't been constantly quoting him - I think I've quoted him twice in the last fortnight one of which was a comment he made about Lukaku in June as an example of the way some people perceived him.

Obviously little Cujo has a problem with sticking by his words, but no problem with insulting people that he wishes to ignore. I'd prefer he didn't lie about me in future.

There's a good boy.

[Mundaka 243]

WHAAAT? you are comparing Mikel with Arteta ? well Arteta may not be world class but he is way wayy wayy better than Mikel >.<

Where am i comparing them? I am just saying that Mikel would be better for Arteta's job at Arsenal because then they wouldnt get pwnd every time they dont have loads of possesion. In other words i think Arsenals midfield is way too offensive.

[Backstreet09 499]

Where am i comparing them? I am just saying that Mikel would be better for Arteta's job at Arsenal because then they wouldnt get pwnd every time they dont have loads of possesion. In other words i think Arsenals midfield is way too offensive.

Oh okay , well they always have loads of possession . Even the game they lost , they are always dominating the midfield . They have more of the striker problems. and about Mikel , well he wouldn't even make the bench there . Wenger is not that stupid (: