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59 minutes ago, Supermonkey92 said:

Thomas Sowell - there are now solutions, only trade offs.

Thomas Sowell is a crank RW libertarian Uncle Tom

a darling of the Fux Snooze crowd

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Viewpoints

 

Criticism of Black Culture in America

Sowell has often blamed black subculture in America (e.g., "gangster rap") for the disadvantages that black Americans currently face. He has asserted that black Americans are marked by "laziness, promiscuity, violence, bad English", and that this comes primarily from imitating rednecks and their degenerate Celtic (Scots-Irish) culture.^[8] Sowell claims that these cultural problems and the emergence of the 'welfare state' explain modern black disadvantages better than appeals to historical injustices like slavery, segregation, and so on.

Sowell has also regularly condemned the efforts of the US government to support the so-called "black rednecks" through, for example, the provision of food and education, since he regards this as having increased their dependency on government, whilst eliminating any incentive for black people in America to improve themselves and their culture.^[9] Sowell has also criticised Affirmative action policies toward black people in America along similar lines, though also arguing that they have failed to deliver the results anticipated by advocates.^[10]

Hitler-Obama Comparison

Sowell has compared Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler, saying that the similarities were obvious when Barack Obama created a relief fund for the BP oil spill.^[11] He claimed that this was symptomatic of socialism, since it involved the extraction of "vast sums of money from a private enterprise."^[12] Another comparison he made between the two is that they were both supported by the sheeple, another sign the United States was slipping towards totalitarianism.

In another article Sowell labels Obama a fascist. An example he gives of Obama's allegedly fascistic economics is that under Obama a law passed that would "arbitrarily force insurance companies to cover the children of their customers until the children are 26 years old".^[13][14]

Iraq war

Despite his libertarian leanings, Sowell supported the War in Iraq along with the notion of preemptive strikes.^[15] Despite covering military interventionism favourably in his book Intellectuals and Society, Sowell neglected to address the 2003 Iraq War.

Sowell also believes that Obama and Congress' supposed weakness in dealing with Iran could inspire Iran to develop nuclear weapons. More controversially, Sowell has expressed the belief that Iran could launch nuclear attacks against America in the future, which would likely result in the US surrendering to Iran.^[16]

Global warming

Sowell is also a global warming denier, believing it to be a manufactured controversy set up in part by academics who want research grants.^[17] Some anti-environmentalist snarl words show up in his writings as well, such as "green crusaders." Another anti-environmentalist trope shows up in his writing when he expresses the nutty belief that Rachel Carson's criticisms of DDT led to bans on DDT that killed millions because it couldn't be used to fight malaria, even though there were exceptions to the "bans" explicitly for fighting malaria.^[18] Despite this he claims that "there has not been a mass murderer executed in the past half-century who has been responsible for as many deaths of human beings as the sainted Rachel Carson."^[19]

Pseudohistory

For years now Sowell has been a leading activist in "New Deal denialism," believing it worsened the economy and that the stock market crash didn't cause as high unemployment as government intervention in the economy.^[20] Sowell is also critical of the Federal Reserve, minimum wage and the Great Society, accusing the latter of being a conspiracy to encourage welfare dependency amongst blacks.^[21] He has danced around the idea of reinstituting the gold standard, not opposing it (so as to not upset libertarians) but not outright supporting it either (as to not be discredited by sane economists), though just the fact that he treats it like a credible idea makes it difficult to take him seriously as an economist.^[22]

Utter inanity

And as if all that isn't enough he's published some borderline insane articles about how "half-educated teachers" engage in "soul raping" children into becoming "true believers" (though he was invoking the specific words of Eric Hoffer with the last two quotes, though in a twisted way that served his hard-right beliefs).^[23]

Segregation

Sowell has written a column appearing to support segregation in public schools, saying black kids do better in their own schools. He gave an example of one black high school in Washington, D.C., that was forced by the government to integrate after the Brown v. Board decision. He said in the article that "Dunbar High School was a living refutation of that assumption" that racially segregated schools were inherently unequal. This reeks of cherrypicking and correlation does not equal causation, despite Sowell's alleged commitment to empiricism, as Sowell is basically saying "this one school had higher graduation rates before integration, therefore segregation isn't a bad thing!"^[24]

 

 

Cultural Reactionaries

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cultural-reactionaries_b_82569

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First up is Thomas Sowell, another hero of the modern right. Sowell is an economist, syndicated columnist, and Hoover Institution fellow who has written widely on history, sociology, education, race and ethnicity - many things. He’s a nasty free-market maximalist (not all ideological free-market maximalists are nasty ones, but Sowell is) and he’s been unremittingly hostile to environmentalism. That one always gets me; after all, the anti-environmentalists have to live on this planet too.

Right-wingers tend to think of him as a blunt spoken genius, a prophet of what they already know to be true, and I guess that’s why they never ask for too much empirical confirmation of Sowell’s subjective prejudices. Still, the obvious, stubborn ignorance of Sowell’s random thoughts in this recent piece kind of blew me away. Consider this idiotic comparison:

Since electricity is generated mostly by burning coal, has anyone calculated how much pollution is created by electric cars, even though none of that pollution comes out of their tailpipes?

What’s so odd about this — and remember that his legions of acolytes consider Sowell a genius - is that one doesn’t have to be an expert, or even have any formal education, to see the flaw in the logic here. Sowell is saying that electric cars generate a great deal of pollution, even if they have no tailpipe emissions; and he’s suggesting, therefore, that developing them is silly feel-good liberalism, a subject on which he regularly holds forth.

But while burning the coal that powers the generators that power electric cars certainly releases a lot of pollution, it does so in one place. This pollution is therefore immensely easier to capture and neutralize than pollution being produced by millions of tailpipes in the open air. The net effective pollution of electric cars - the pollution that can do things like warm the globe to levels that might eventually destroy the civilization that supports Sowell and his writing — is far lower.

More on the environment from Sage Sowell:

The next time somebody in the media denies that there is media bias, ask how they explain the fact that there are at least a hundred stories about the shrinking arctic ice cap for every one about the expanding antarctic ice cap, which has now grown to record size.

Talk about two birds with one stone! A global warming denial coupled with a swipe at the “liberal media”! But as Sowell’s fellow National Review contributor Jason Lee Steorts admits in a discussion of the work of environmental scientist Curt Davis, Sowell’s reductionist formula is nonsense. Steorts is an agnostic on global warming, but he’s honest enough to treat the issue as the complex one that it is, and his analysis of the meaning of the condition of the Antarctic ice cap is quite interesting. Sowell, again, is the hero of the know-nothings.

Remember I said that Sowell is a nasty guy?

Being murdered is not painless, so why all the hand-wringing about trying to make the execution of murderers painless?

Umm...because we’re not barbarians? Well, those of us who oppose the death penalty, anyway. Because we generally no longer subscribe to that Old Testament eye-for-an-eye business?

Now for Sowell’s idea of the big picture:

The culture of this nation is being dismantled, brick by brick, but so gradually that many will not notice until the walls start to sag — just before they cave in.

What’s hilarious about this is that Sowell apparently doesn’t realize that old men of every generation since speech was invented have said the same thing. It’s a kind of self-indulgence, as well as a fear of the unfamiliar. This silly, self-important harrumph from Sowell reminded me of another piece of reactionary cultural criticism from another cultural reactionary, Mark Steyn, writing in The New Criterion about yet another, Allan Bloom. Steyn quotes Newsweek from 1964, on The Beatles:

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at least he is streets above these two minstrel show twats when it comes to selling out

 

 

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This thread was supposed to be about the pandemic but it is becoming a thread about politicians and politics. There is a separate thread for that.

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A New York Doctor’s Coronavirus Warning: The Sky Is Falling

Alarmist is not a word anyone has ever used to describe me before. But this is different.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/opinion/coronavirus-doctor-new-york.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

I’ve had hard conversations this week. “Look me in the eye,” I said to my neighbor Karen, who was spiraling to a dark place in her mind. “I make this personal promise to you — I will not let your children die from this disease.” I swallowed back a lump in my throat. Just the image of one of our kids attached to a tube was jarring. Two weeks ago our kids were having a pizza party and watching cartoons together, running back and forth between our apartments. This was before #socialdistancing was trending. Statistically, I still feel good about my promise to Karen because children do not seem to be dying from Covid-19. There are others to whom I cannot make similar promises.

A few days later, I got a text from another friend. She has asthma. “I’m just saying this because I need to say it to someone,” she wrote. She asked that if she gets sick and has a poor prognosis, to play recordings of the voice of Josie, her daughter. “I think it would bring me back,” she said. Josie is my 4-year-old’s best friend.

Today, at the hospital where I work, one of the largest in New York City, Covid-19 cases continue to climb, and there’s movement to redeploy as many health care workers as possible to the E.R.s, new “fever clinics” and I.C.U.s. It’s becoming an all-healthy-hands-on-deck scenario.

The sky is falling. I’m not afraid to say it. A few weeks from now you may call me an alarmist; and I can live with that. Actually, I will keel over with happiness if I’m proven wrong.

Alarmist is not a word anyone has ever used to describe me before. I’m a board-certified surgeon and critical care specialist who spent much of my training attending to traumas in the emergency room and doing the rounds at Harvard hospitals’ intensive care units. I’m now in my last four months of training as a pediatric surgeon in New York City. Part of my job entails waking in the middle of the night to rush to the children’s hospital to put babies on a form of life support called ECMO, a service required when a child’s lungs are failing even with maximum ventilator support. Scenarios that mimic end-stage Covid-19 are part of my job. Panic is not in my vocabulary; the emotion has been drilled out of me in nine years of training. This is different.

We are living in a global public health crisis moving at a speed and scale never witnessed by living generations. The cracks in our medical and financial systems are being splayed open like a gashing wound. No matter how this plays out, life will forever look a little different for all of us.

On the front lines, patients are lining up outside of our emergency rooms and clinics looking to us for answers — but we have few. Only on Friday did coronavirus testing become more readily available in New York, and the tests are still extremely limited. Right next to my office in the hospital, a lab is being repurposed with hopes of a capability to run 1,000 tests a day. But today, and likely tomorrow, even M.D.s do not have straightforward access to testing across the country. Furthermore, the guidelines and criteria for testing are changing almost daily. Our health care system is mired in situational uncertainty. The leadership of our hospital is working tirelessly — but doctors on the ground are pessimistic about our surge capacity.

Making my rounds at the children’s hospital earlier this week, I saw that the boxes of gloves and other personal protective equipment were dwindling. This is a crisis for our vulnerable patients and health care workers alike. Protective equipment is only one of the places where supplies are falling short. At our large, 4,000-bed New York City hospital, we have 500 ventilators and 250 on backup reserve. If we are on track to match the scale of Covid-19 infections in Italy, then we are likely to run out of ventilators in New York. The anti-viral “treatments” we have for Covid-19 are experimental and many of them are hard to even get approved. Let me repeat. The sky is falling.

I say this not to panic anyone but to mobilize you. We need more equipment and we need it now. Specifically gloves, masks, eye protection and more ventilators. We need our technology friends to be making and testing prototypes to rig the ventilators that we do have to support more than one patient at a time. We need our labs channeling all of their efforts into combating this bug — that means vaccine research and antiviral treatment research, quickly.

We need hospitals to figure out how to nimbly and flexibly modify our existing practices to adapt to this virus and do it fast. Doctors across the globe are sharing information, protocols and strategies through social media, because our common publishing channels are too slow. Physician and surgeon mothers are coming together on Facebook groups to publish advice to parents and the public, to amplify our outrage, and to underscore the fear we feel for our most vulnerable patient populations, as well as ourselves and our families.

Please flatten the curve and stay at home, but please do not go into couch mode. Like everyone, I have moments where imagining the worst possible Covid-19 scenario steals my breath. But cowering in the dark places of our minds doesn’t help. Rather than private panic, we need public-spirited action. Those of us walking into the rooms of Covid-19-positive patients every day need you and your minds, your networks, your creative solutions, and your voices to be fighting for us. We might be the exhausted masked face trying to resuscitate you when you show up on the doorstep of our hospital. And when you do, I promise not to panic. I’ll use every ounce of my expertise to keep you alive. Please, do the same for us.

 

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Many hospitalized in the U.S. are younger adults.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/world/coronavirus-news.html#link-6b7aa982

American adults of all ages — not just those in their 70s, 80s and 90s — are being seriously sickened by the coronavirus, according to a report on nearly 2,500 cases in the United States.

The report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients were at greatest risk of becoming seriously ill or dying. But of the 508 coronavirus patients known to have been hospitalized in the United States, 38 percent were between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 sickest patients studied — those admitted to intensive care units — were adults under 65.

“I think everyone should be paying attention to this,” said Stephen S. Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University. “It’s not just going to be the elderly.”

Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the Trump administration’s coronavirus task force, appealed on Wednesday for younger people to stop socializing in groups and to take care to protect themselves and others.

“You have the potential then to spread it to someone who does have a condition that none of us knew about, and cause them to have a disastrous outcome,” Dr. Birx said.

In the C.D.C. report, 20 percent of the hospitalized patients and 12 percent of the intensive care patients were between the ages of 20 and 44, basically spanning the millennial generation.

 

 

 

 

STRIKING THE YOUNG

 A virus that kills the old is sickening the young.

Younger Adults Make Up Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.

New C.D.C. data shows that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.

 

American adults of all ages — not just those in their 70s, 80s and 90s — are being seriously sickened by the coronavirus, according to a report on nearly 2,500 of the first recorded cases in the United States.

The report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients had the greatest likelihood of dying and of being hospitalized. But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported.

“I think everyone should be paying attention to this,” said Stephen S. Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “It’s not just going to be the elderly. There will be people age 20 and up. They do have to be careful, even if they think that they’re young and healthy.”

The findings served to underscore an appeal issued Wednesday at a White House briefing by Dr. Deborah Birx, a physician and State Department official who is a leader of the administration’s coronavirus task force. Citing similar reports of young adults in Italy and in France being hospitalized and needing intensive care, Dr. Birx implored the millennial generation to stop socializing in groups and to take care to protect themselves and others.

“You have the potential then to spread it to someone who does have a condition that none of us knew about, and cause them to have a disastrous outcome,” Dr. Birx said, addressing young people.

In the C.D.C. report, 20 percent of the hospitalized patients and 12 percent of the intensive care patients were between the ages of 20 and 44, basically spanning the millennial generation.

“Younger people may feel more confident about their ability to withstand a virus like this,” said Dr. Christopher Carlsten, head of respiratory medicine at the University of British Columbia. But, he said, “if that many younger people are being hospitalized, that means that there are a lot of young people in the community that are walking around with the infection.”

The new data represents a preliminary look at the first significant wave of cases in the United States that does not include people who returned to the country from Wuhan, China, or from Japan, the authors reported. Between Feb. 12 and March 16, there were 4,226 such cases reported to the C.D.C., the study says.

The ages were reported for 2,449 of those patients, the C.D.C. said, and of those, 6 percent were 85 and older, and 25 percent were between 65 and 84. Twenty-nine percent were aged 20 to 44.

The age groups of 55 to 64 and 45 to 54 each included 18 percent of the total. Only 5 percent of cases were diagnosed in people 19 and younger.

The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group.

But experts said that even if younger people in the report were medical outliers, the fact that they were taking up hospital beds and space in intensive care units was significant.

And these more serious cases represent the leading edge of how the pandemic is rapidly unfolding in the United States, showing that adults of all ages are susceptible and should be concerned about protecting their own health, and not transmitting the virus to others.

The youngest age group, people 19 and under, accounted for less than 1 percent of the hospitalizations, and none of the I.C.U. admissions or deaths. This dovetails with data from other countries so far. This week, however, the largest study to date of pediatric cases in China found that a small segment of very young children may need hospitalization for very serious symptoms, and that one 14-year-old boy in China died from the virus.

Of the 44 people whose deaths were recorded in the report, 15 were age 85 or older and 20 were between the ages of 65 to 84. There were nine deaths among adults age 20 to 64, the report said.

Some of the patients in the study are still sick, the authors noted, so the results of their cases are unclear. Data was missing for a number of the cases, “which likely resulted in an underestimation of the outcomes,” the authors wrote. Because of the missing data, the authors presented percentages of hospitalizations, I.C.U. admissions and deaths as a range. The report also says that the limited testing available in the United States so far makes this report only an early snapshot of the crisis.

Still, the authors wrote, “these preliminary data also demonstrate that severe illness leading to hospitalization, including I.C.U. admission and death, can occur in adults of any age with Covid-19.”

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Coronavirus live news: Italy death toll rises to 3,405, overtaking China

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/19/coronavirus-update-live-news-who-covid19-cases-outbreak-us-states-uk-school-closures-australia-europe-eu-africa-asia-latest-updates

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Coronavirus: Boris Johnson gives daily update ahead of school closures – watch live

 

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Italy's death toll from the coronavirus overtakes China's.

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Im just gonna say that the memes are fucking hilarious these days 🤣

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Many hospitalized in the U.S. are younger adults.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/world/coronavirus-news.html#link-6b7aa982

American adults of all ages — not just those in their 70s, 80s and 90s — are being seriously sickened by the coronavirus, according to a report on nearly 2,500 cases in the United States.

The report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients were at greatest risk of becoming seriously ill or dying. But of the 508 coronavirus patients known to have been hospitalized in the United States, 38 percent were between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 sickest patients studied — those admitted to intensive care units — were adults under 65.

“I think everyone should be paying attention to this,” said Stephen S. Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University. “It’s not just going to be the elderly.”

Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the Trump administration’s coronavirus task force, appealed on Wednesday for younger people to stop socializing in groups and to take care to protect themselves and others.

“You have the potential then to spread it to someone who does have a condition that none of us knew about, and cause them to have a disastrous outcome,” Dr. Birx said.

In the C.D.C. report, 20 percent of the hospitalized patients and 12 percent of the intensive care patients were between the ages of 20 and 44, basically spanning the millennial generation.

 

 

 

 

STRIKING THE YOUNG

 A virus that kills the old is sickening the young.

Younger Adults Make Up Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.

New C.D.C. data shows that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.

 

American adults of all ages — not just those in their 70s, 80s and 90s — are being seriously sickened by the coronavirus, according to a report on nearly 2,500 of the first recorded cases in the United States.

The report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients had the greatest likelihood of dying and of being hospitalized. But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported.

“I think everyone should be paying attention to this,” said Stephen S. Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “It’s not just going to be the elderly. There will be people age 20 and up. They do have to be careful, even if they think that they’re young and healthy.”

The findings served to underscore an appeal issued Wednesday at a White House briefing by Dr. Deborah Birx, a physician and State Department official who is a leader of the administration’s coronavirus task force. Citing similar reports of young adults in Italy and in France being hospitalized and needing intensive care, Dr. Birx implored the millennial generation to stop socializing in groups and to take care to protect themselves and others.

“You have the potential then to spread it to someone who does have a condition that none of us knew about, and cause them to have a disastrous outcome,” Dr. Birx said, addressing young people.

In the C.D.C. report, 20 percent of the hospitalized patients and 12 percent of the intensive care patients were between the ages of 20 and 44, basically spanning the millennial generation.

“Younger people may feel more confident about their ability to withstand a virus like this,” said Dr. Christopher Carlsten, head of respiratory medicine at the University of British Columbia. But, he said, “if that many younger people are being hospitalized, that means that there are a lot of young people in the community that are walking around with the infection.”

The new data represents a preliminary look at the first significant wave of cases in the United States that does not include people who returned to the country from Wuhan, China, or from Japan, the authors reported. Between Feb. 12 and March 16, there were 4,226 such cases reported to the C.D.C., the study says.

The ages were reported for 2,449 of those patients, the C.D.C. said, and of those, 6 percent were 85 and older, and 25 percent were between 65 and 84. Twenty-nine percent were aged 20 to 44.

The age groups of 55 to 64 and 45 to 54 each included 18 percent of the total. Only 5 percent of cases were diagnosed in people 19 and younger.

The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group.

But experts said that even if younger people in the report were medical outliers, the fact that they were taking up hospital beds and space in intensive care units was significant.

And these more serious cases represent the leading edge of how the pandemic is rapidly unfolding in the United States, showing that adults of all ages are susceptible and should be concerned about protecting their own health, and not transmitting the virus to others.

The youngest age group, people 19 and under, accounted for less than 1 percent of the hospitalizations, and none of the I.C.U. admissions or deaths. This dovetails with data from other countries so far. This week, however, the largest study to date of pediatric cases in China found that a small segment of very young children may need hospitalization for very serious symptoms, and that one 14-year-old boy in China died from the virus.

Of the 44 people whose deaths were recorded in the report, 15 were age 85 or older and 20 were between the ages of 65 to 84. There were nine deaths among adults age 20 to 64, the report said.

Some of the patients in the study are still sick, the authors noted, so the results of their cases are unclear. Data was missing for a number of the cases, “which likely resulted in an underestimation of the outcomes,” the authors wrote. Because of the missing data, the authors presented percentages of hospitalizations, I.C.U. admissions and deaths as a range. The report also says that the limited testing available in the United States so far makes this report only an early snapshot of the crisis.

Still, the authors wrote, “these preliminary data also demonstrate that severe illness leading to hospitalization, including I.C.U. admission and death, can occur in adults of any age with Covid-19.”

Many are not taking care of themselves. 

There's those young people in Florida wanting to party because of spring break.....

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Coronavirus live news: Italy death toll rises to 3,405, overtaking China

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/19/coronavirus-update-live-news-who-covid19-cases-outbreak-us-states-uk-school-closures-australia-europe-eu-africa-asia-latest-updates

Why is it so bad in Italy?

What makes it hit so hard there then in other countries?

Is it that they have a lot of old people? Poor immune system? The food they eat? etc etc

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14 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Many are not taking care of themselves. 

There's those young people in Florida wanting to party because of spring break.....

SAD 

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15 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Why is it so bad in Italy?

What makes it hit so hard there then in other countries?

Is it that they have a lot of old people? Poor immune system? The food they eat? etc etc

65 years and over: 21.69% (male 5,817,819 /female 7,683,330) (2018 est.)

Life Expectancy by Country in 2020

TOP 5:

1. HONG KONG 84.7

2. JAPAN 84.5

3. SWITZERLAND 83.6

4. SINGAPORE 83.7

5. ITALY 83.4

Yes they are very old country but one of the healthiest in the world. HK and Singapore are basically cities and Switzerland is also very small country so with Japan they are the most healthiest nation in the world.

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15 hours ago, Fernando said:

Why is it so bad in Italy?

What makes it hit so hard there then in other countries?

Is it that they have a lot of old people? Poor immune system? The food they eat? etc etc

they had a shedload of infected people slam into wide circulation, more than any other EU country, plus their lifestyle is based off being super social

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Wall Street is pressuring key healthcare firms to hike prices over the coronavirus crisis. Audio here of bankers asking drug companies, firms supplying N95 masks & ventilators, to figure out how to profit from the Covid-19 emergency.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-vaccine-medical-supplies-price-gouging/