🇺🇸 Christian Pulisic

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

9 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Nice. His 4th assist all season. Something you constantly destroy Mount on yet he isn't even an attacking midfielder. 

Pulisic has 13 open play assists in Chelsea shirt in around 4750mins.

Mount has 5 in almost 8000mins. I know who I rate more in every aspect of the game.

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Just now, NikkiCFC said:

Pulisic has 13 open play assists in Chelsea shirt in around 4750mins.

Mount has 5 in almost 8000mins. I know who I rate more in every aspect of the game.

Me too. The one who is actually an attacking player. Who's been shit at attacking this season. 

 

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24 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Nice. His 4th assist all season. Something you constantly destroy Mount on yet he isn't even an attacking midfielder. 

How is Mount not an attacking midfielder.He is constantly played as one of the two no.10s in our system

Anyway. ALL of our attackers have been shit this season. The only one who has been remotely up to his usual standard is Giroud but only if given a run of games.

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It's quite difficult to put a time limit on how long you give a player to start performing consistently well.

We didnt keep KDB or Salah for long enough, which will always haunt us, but how long before we give up on Puli or CHO and move them on?

Not sure if CHO is really all that, but no doubt Puli has the talent to be a top player for us.

Can't wait forever though, so I'd give him next season to start producing and sell him in the summer of 2022 if he doesn't. Same with CHO, Werner, Kai and James too.

 

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9 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

How is Mount not an attacking midfielder. He is constantly played as one of the two no.10s in our system

Anyway. ALL of our attackers have been shit this season. The only one who has been remotely up to his usual standard is Giroud but only if given a run of games.

Just because he plays there doesn't mean he's effective. You just have to look at Mount's overall game and realise he shouldn't be spearheading our attack. He's a B2B midfielder and virtually the only reason he is playing is to provide additional support to the two CMs and how good he is in a press. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Mana said:

How about they have both been rubbish?

The reason why Pulisic isn't get much stick as Mount really because no one talks about Pulisic as much as Mount.

However that doesn't mean Pulisic hasn't been awful, he has been awful and a major disappointment. I thought this season the real Pulisic is going to stand up.

At least with Mount he came from the academy, but we paid big bucks for Pulisic and we haven't gotten anything from our investment (and if we did, it's little).

Kovacic is the one really gets away with non performances.

Without doubt one of the most vastly  overrated players to pull on a Chelsea shirt. Cannot wait yo see the back of this fraud. Him and the equally bang average Jorgi have been absolutely killing us in midfield these past three years.

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4 minutes ago, Mana said:

Not going to argue with that either. Again, Kova doesn't get much stick because many fans are not bigging him up anyway. We need an overhaul of the front line. They are simply not good enough.

It's embarrassing that we are the first club since the 60's to make top 4 and not ONE of our players reached double figures. And our top scorer is Jorginho, ALL of his goals were pens!

Yep!

Liverpool's keeper has scored only five fewer than our top scorers.

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12 minutes ago, chippy said:

Yep!

Liverpool's keeper has scored only five fewer than our top scorers.

six, but one more non-pen goal lol

on the other hand we should have had like 5 more pens this season so jorginho should have had double figures in a non-corrupt league

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1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Just because he plays there doesn't mean he's effective. You just have to look at Mount's overall game and realise he shouldn't be spearheading our attack. He's a B2B midfielder and virtually the only reason he is playing is to provide additional support to the two CMs and how good he is in a press. 

Mount has been described as an "attacking midfielder" in a lot of spaces and he himself as well as Tuchel have talked about wanting to provide more assists, to score more goals especially. So, is it not fair to judge him on the G + A output? 

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2 minutes ago, Jas said:

Mount has been described as an "attacking midfielder" in a lot of spaces and he himself as well as Tuchel have talked about wanting to provide more assists, to score more goals especially. So, is it not fair to judge him on the G + A output? 

I agree with MB. This is the main reason Mount plays. But I also agree that he should be judged on g/a.

Even Lampard described his 433 with 2 number 8s basically like with 2 number 10.

As reported by Sports Mole, Lampard was speaking after the Morecambe win yesterday.

 

He said:

“I’ve heard some people talk about the system with two eights as though they have to run in straight lines up and down the pitch,” said Lampard.

“It doesn’t have to be that way when you have players with different qualities like Mason Mount, Kai Havertz, Mateo Kovacic, N’Golo Kante.

“These players play in different ways and arrive between the lines and sometimes into the area inhabited by an orthodox number 10.

“And that can be more dangerous than a number 10 that just stands there all day. They can be, for me, more dangerous, but those are the things that need time.”

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Tuchel said he didn't start Pulisic yesterday because "he's very strong from the bench" and also because Werner and Havertz are a good pairing upfront with good understanding with one another. Don't think Pulisic would enjoy basically being called a super sub but next season will be(?) important for him because he would only have 2 years left on his contract come next summer. 

In any case, he's the first American to play in the Champions League and win it, unsurprisingly. Good thing he did it before McKennie does with Juventus or Dest with Barcelona. 

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8 hours ago, Jas said:

Tuchel said he didn't start Pulisic yesterday because "he's very strong from the bench" and also because Werner and Havertz are a good pairing upfront with good understanding with one another. Don't think Pulisic would enjoy basically being called a super sub but next season will be(?) important for him because he would only have 2 years left on his contract come next summer. 

In any case, he's the first American to play in the Champions League and win it, unsurprisingly. Good thing he did it before McKennie does with Juventus or Dest with Barcelona. 

Can see he and Werner being rotated depending on games. Pulisic better against low blocks. 

 

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1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Can see he and Werner being rotated depending on games. Pulisic better against low blocks. 

Having read this and your other post in the Tuchel thread, I'd say there's a lot of assumption going on. 

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Last season Pulisic was able to provide amazing performances, but not so after his injury.

For me pulisic and Werner are somewhat similar, but Werner has a lot more power. He does not go to the ground that easily and can work in tighter spaces. Actually think Werner is better against low blocks because of that. One way Pulisic can give himself a chance is by scoring, like he did last season.

Against high defense lines, playing both would work just fine, like we did against RM.  

Edited May 30, 2021 by robsblubot

[BlueGuy 10]

ahead I consider untouchable only Havertz and Mount, all the others with the right offers the others  can go! 
CHO will need a season out, while ziyech, werner,abraham, pulisic and giroud are all salable. put out 2-3 of them and take in 1-2 like sancho or a striker
Pulisic for me is no more than a sub, now he could have some opportunity to play cos the other players in his role are weak how he is.
For exemple: sell ziyech, giroud and abraham. CHO out on loan. take: sancho and another.
team: mount, havertz, pulisic,sancho, werner and the second purchase ( 6 total)

Edited May 30, 2021 by BlueGuy

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

hace 2 minutos, BlueGuy dijo:

ahead I consider untouchable only Havertz and Mount, all the others with the right offers the others  can go! 
CHO will need a season out, while ziyech, werner,abraham and giroud are all salable. put out 2-3 of them and take in 1-2 like sancho or a striker

Save your FM save and close the game down... 

No way we sell Werner or Ziyech after 1 season (they will surely have next season to make an improvement which if they dont then they will be up for the chop I would think) or even consider selling CHO and Christian either I wouldn’t think. 

Abraham will maybe be sold and Girouds contract is up, is it not?

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12 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

No way we sell Werner or Ziyech after 1 season (they will surely have next season to make an improvement which if they dont then they will be up for the chop I would think) or even consider selling CHO and Christian either I wouldn’t think. 

One would hope not but you say that when we still have the likes of Jorginho, Rudiger, Alonso etc after all these years despite their flaws, the criticism among other things. 

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38 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Last season Pulisic was able to provide amazing performances, but not so after his injury.

For me pulisic and Werner are somewhat similar, but Werner has a lot more power. He does not go to the ground that easily and can work in tighter spaces. Actually think Werner is better against low blocks because of that. One way Pulisic can give himself a chance is by scoring, like he did last season.

Against high defense lines, playing both would work just fine, like we did against RM.  

Operating in tight spaces is something I expect Werner to get better at. It's something that Nagelsmann worked on last season at Leipzig (see quote below) and I imagine Werner and Tuchel will aim to do the same. 

Nagelsmann: "Yeah, it’s part of the reason why we’ve started him a bit deeper, we don’t want him right on the last line, because he needs a bit of a head start, a bit of tempo, in order to really show his pace on the pitch. When he’s on the last line, he often finds himself static when he needs to get going, but with a bit of room in front of him, he can hit top speed. And from this deeper position, he’s much more involved in our build-up play and combinations. In the last few years all his moments have come in transition, whereas now he has his moments in combination play too. He’s having many more touches of the ball than in previous years, and this new position has done his development good, playing in between the lines against teams who sit deep. That’s another trait he’ll need if he wants to be one of the best in Europe. There are a lot of teams who sit deep and defend deep against you, and he needs that second way of being dangerous to opponents too, and he’s definitely developed that this year."

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hace 20 minutos, Jas dijo:

One would hope not but you say that when we still have the likes of Jorginho, Rudiger, Alonso etc after all these years despite their flaws, the criticism among other things. 

Lets be honest, the criticism of players like  Jorginho and Rudiger has been severely over the top 75% of the time. They've played bad games, for sure, like everyone else, but probably looking back at their spells here the majority of their games they have done well enough in or at least better than how some people seem to think about them.

Even Jorginho’s first season, the fans booing him v Malmo because he was a Sarri signing is one of the most embarrassing things I have ever felt as a Chelsea fan. The witch hunt for him has still been on this season at times and I am beginning to wonder if there is a large percentage of our fans on social media/places like these who are a bit ungrateful or spoiled perhaps because of players we’ve had before. He's not world class by any stretch but I think the lack of respect/appreciation for him is quite frankly unnerving at times and its obvious that he is one of those players that people will point the finger at him near enough every time without a hesitation.

Alonso maybe he has shown he isn’t at the required level to be a mainstay at a top side but hes never let us down when hes played this season either. He probably will be off this summer though, well him or Emerson but ultimately I don’t think he’s been the worst LB/LWB we have had for years. He's probably a more superior player to the likes of Baba Rahmann, Emerson, Yuri Zhirkov and Ryan Bertrand who have tried to replace Ashley/compete with Ashley at the time. He’s not had an amazing career here but his first season he was pretty good and whilst he has glaring weaknesses again I think its sometimes too easy to just point a finger at one guy instead of 11 or 12.

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

Lets be honest, the criticism of players like  Jorginho and Rudiger has been severely over the top 75% of the time. They've played bad games, for sure, like everyone else, but probably looking back at their spells here the majority of their games they have done well enough in or at least better than how some people seem to think about them.

Even Jorginho’s first season, the fans booing him v Malmo because he was a Sarri signing is one of the most embarrassing things I have ever felt as a Chelsea fan. The witch hunt for him has still been on this season at times and I am beginning to wonder if there is a large percentage of our fans on social media/places like these who are a bit ungrateful or spoiled perhaps because of players we’ve had before. He's not world class by any stretch but I think the lack of respect/appreciation for him is quite frankly unnerving at times and its obvious that he is one of those players that people will point the finger at him near enough every time without a hesitation.

Alonso maybe he has shown he isn’t at the required level to be a mainstay at a top side but hes never let us down when hes played this season either. He probably will be off this summer though, well him or Emerson but ultimately I don’t think he’s been the worst LB/LWB we have had for years. He's probably a more superior player to the likes of Baba Rahmann, Emerson, Yuri Zhirkov and Ryan Bertrand who have tried to replace Ashley/compete with Ashley at the time. He’s not had an amazing career here but his first season he was pretty good and whilst he has glaring weaknesses again I think its sometimes too easy to just point a finger at one guy instead of 11 or 12.

The point is, they have their flaws as players, just like those players you mentioned previously and yet, they have been here for years.