Tomo 21,751 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jason said: I know CHO is still only 19 and just came back from a serious injury. It's a fine line between being patient and expecting instant top level performances right now. But I just wonder how long do we have to be patient before expecting CHO to perform? Next Christmas? I don't expect CHO to turn into Messi or Ronaldo and put in world class performances right away but certainly expect a lot more than what he's doing so far. He's been tentative at best. He's already shown he can compete at this level, when he returned he was doing one goal contribution a game for about a month and was good last season all be it against not great opponents for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tomo said: He's already shown he can compete at this level, when he returned he was doing one goal contribution a game for about a month and was good last season all be it against not great opponents for the most part. Now, I'm not saying CHO is one but any average player can go through a purple patch of form and look great for a few games. And as you pointed out, CHO looked great last season, mainly in the Europa League against some poor teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Jason said: Now, I'm not saying CHO is one but any average player can go through a purple patch of form and look great for a few games. And as you pointed out, CHO looked great last season, mainly in the Europa League against some poor teams. They can but he still as a raw teenager shown he can compete at this level (Pep was so worried about his introduction in the league cup final he instantly instructed a double up), and I know it's a big step up from youth League but he was at that level the star attacker in the most successful youth team since the Busby Babes. He's well and truly earned a bit of patience through a rough period, especially with his injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: He's well and truly earned a bit of patience through a rough period, especially with his injury. But how long do we have to be patient? That's my point. Because his age and injury can't be thrown around after every non-performance when he's being trusted to perform on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Jason said: But how long do we have to be patient? That's my point. Because his age and injury can't be thrown around after every non-performance when he's being trusted to perform on the pitch. It's not a definitive science, it depends on a lot of factors. Salah for example was dreadful for us but in hindsight we should have carried on persisting with him no matter how long it took. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Tomo said: It's not a definitive science, it depends on a lot of factors. Salah for example was dreadful for us but in hindsight we should have carried on persisting with him no matter how long it took. Using hindsight to justify that is not the most convincing answer. Patience is needed yes but the player in question must also make things happen to justify it. In this case, CHO needs to reevaluate, think, decide what he can do or should do to at least rediscover the kind of form he showed last season, because if he doesn't do that, no one is gonna do it for him and patience is not unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: Using hindsight to justify that is not the most convincing answer. Patience is needed yes but the player in question must also make things happen to justify it. In this case, CHO needs to reevaluate, think, decide what he can do or should do to at least rediscover the kind of form he showed last season, because if he doesn't do that, no one is gonna do it for him and patience is not unlimited. Well it's actually a kind of apt comparison because the general consensus is we gave up on him too easily and we should have stuck with him, now 5 years on we have a similar situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Tomo said: Well it's actually a kind of apt comparison because the general consensus is we gave up on him too easily and we should have stuck with him, now 5 years on we have a similar situation. A better comparison would have been De Bruyne. But seriously though, how many times must I say this? My point isn't about giving up on CHO now but rather how long we should be patient for him to return to some kind of form before asking questions? Because every time when someone criticizes his performance, his age and injury get blurted out. The two factors aren't wrong but they can't keep be used every single time! Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Jason said: A better comparison would have been De Bruyne. But seriously though, how many times must I say this? My point isn't about giving up on CHO now but rather how long we should be patient for him to return to some kind of form before asking questions? Longer than two months of bad form as a teenager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Tomo said: Longer than two months of bad form as a teenager. So if he continues to perform badly in January, we can criticize him after that? Good to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: So if he continues to perform badly in January, we can criticize him after that? Good to know. Never said he is immune to critisism, it's the writing him off completely I'm finding hard to accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: Never said he is immune to critisism, it's the writing him off completely I'm finding hard to accept. Go after Alexandra then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton 2,120 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Came close today for the winner, we have to be a little patient I guess but I think it will come good with him. NikkiCFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Came close today for the winner, we have to be a little patient I guess but I think it will come good with him.His finishing just seems atrocious, which doesn't come down to injury. Still waiting for his Prem goal kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vytis33 1,272 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 49 minutes ago, Hamilton said: Came close today for the winner, we have to be a little patient I guess but I think it will come good with him. Not trying to give you a hard time here but is 'coming close' good enough for this club? Age or not/injury or not he ain't performing at a £120k per week level if we're all being honest. And he's gonna have an uphill battle with the fans after coming thru the Academy and then trying to force a move to Bayern. To ultimately receive a fat new contract with little results to show for it. I hope he does come good I really do but right now he's miles away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippy 342 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Hamilton said: Came close today for the winner, we have to be a little patient I guess but I think it will come good with him. I remember Henry not being able to hit a barn door with a banjo early in his career at Arsenal. At least CHO is now getting into the box and looking to be positive and having a go. Hopefully he'll get a goal soon which will be a big boost to his confidence, ease some of the pressuee and help him relax a bit more. Also.Why are CHO, Tammy, Mount, Tomori getting their fair share of stick while James seems to be getting away with being pretty shite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, chippy said: I remember Henry not being able to hit a barn door with a banjo early in his career at Arsenal. At least CHO is now getting into the box and looking to be positive and having a go. Hopefully he'll get a goal soon which will be a big boost to his confidence, ease some of the pressuee and help him relax a bit more. Also.Why are CHO, Tammy, Mount, Tomori getting their fair share of stick while James seems to be getting away with being pretty shite? Yeah I'd be more worried if he wasn't getting into the areas, it's a lot easier to fix poor finishing than it is poor tactical brain and movement. People compared him to Hazard at youth level but I get more Alexis vibes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Not sure about the rules but CHO can still be used in the youth/reserve games right? Can't remember when the lads last played but surely it would have beneficial for him to play some games and regain his confidence etc? We have had to carry half a player in the squad while we are trying to get out of this rut. Sadly, Chelsea does not do that. I remember a time where RLC was wasting his potential under Mou and I said in german Chelsea forums that RLC needs to get back playing Youth Matches or otherwise he will waste more of his time. He got loaned out eventually, but did not play Youth Football because he was a first Team Player. Don't like that. Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Jase 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Yeah I'd be more worried if he wasn't getting into the areas, it's a lot easier to fix poor finishing than it is poor tactical brain and movement. People compared him to Hazard at youth level but I get more Alexis vibes.Boga was the closest to Hazard at youth level. They have the exact same dribbling style. Only Boga is way faster, but does not have the same football IQ and Shooting Skills back in the dayGesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,326 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 01/01/2020 at 6:43 PM, Hamilton said: Came close today for the winner, we have to be a little patient I guess but I think it will come good with him. Yes, in the long term picture I'm still positive CHO will be better than Mount and Abraham for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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