Vesper 30,224 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Robchels said: Just to clarify, that when I disagree with your assurances about players and/or leagues (and I do), I'm not saying we shouldn't make a move, even when (in my view) they play in smaller leagues/clubs under a lot less pressure. I can tell you for example, that Brazilian players will really catch scouts eyes when performing well in libertadores, not Brasileiro. Where their perform, and against who, is the most important factor in accession what they will be able to do against the strongest opposition. Precisely why I rate Eden Hazard less than most folks here (Willian consistently outperformed him in CL!). Some of them have the quality and deserve a shot. Personality and other factors may help selecting which would likely succeed abroad. However, with the current managerial situation, betting on such players may be unwise. They would not be given too many opportunities to succeed, and could end up becoming eternal subs, even if underserved.... see AC who is a good player in my book (just a bit green for CB). CHO is not of Sarri's making -- that is my main disagreement even when I couldn't care less about Sarri. Thought Napoli was entertaining to watch even if a bit gung-ho, like a team who would lose to pragmatic Jose 9 out of 10 times in single elimination games. I just put together a 25 man roster off those players (added another teen at LB so I had two) that blows our current squad away already at their current ages I would trade my squad I made for ours instantly, especially with Hazard leaving you vastly overrate the EPL IMHO in regards to the other Big 5 leagues, especially in terms of the cream of the crop top young players who are lurking out there look at our team now almost all are from leagues or teams you say are small time, some of ours are from truly shit leagues (Ukraine for example for Willian) we just truly rate talent differently I like my track record over the years have almost no true bombs (I fully admit on Bakayko, so frustrating) and have called many shit buys as such when they went down (Morata, Drinkwater, Bats, Zappacosta, Emerson (due to injury) Alonso as a FB, etc etc etc) and went cray on some of our sales (KDB, Salah, Felipe Luis, Tiago (wayyy back, after the superb 2004-5 season, he was one of my favourite player as a 12,13yo, I cried like a baby, lolol Mourinho still talks about what a cock-up it was selling him) now CHO, etc etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Vesper said: I just put together a 25 man roster off those players (added another teen at LB so I had two) that blows our current squad away already at their current ages I would trade my squad I made for ours instantly, especially with Hazard leaving you vastly overrate the EPL IMHO in regards to the other Big 5 leagues, especially in terms of the cream of the crop top young players who are lurking out there look at our team now almost all are from leagues or teams you say are small time, some of ours are from truly shit leagues (Ukraine for example for Willian) we just truly rate talent differently I like my track record over the years have almost no true bombs (I fully admit on Bakayko, so frustrating) and have called many shit buys as such when they went down (Morata, Drinkwater, Bats, Zappacosta, Emerson (due to injury) Alonso as a FB, etc etc etc) and went cray on some of our sales (KDB, Salah, Felipe Luis, Tiago (wayyy back, after the superb 2004-5 season, he was one of my favourite player as a 12,13yo, I cried like a baby, lolol Mourinho still talks about what a cock-up it was selling him) now CHO, etc etc) Quote I would trade my squad I made for ours instantly, especially with Hazard leaving I'm not sure what this means... if that is indeed my squad, then I'd put money on them against your random list or youngsters (who haven't done nothing yet) any day of the week and twice on sundays. I'd suggest looking into stats regarding the number of youngsters starting in top clubs' senior squads and their success rate... It suggests one must be very careful in employing too many youngsters. Hint: the teams playing the CL final are usually NOT on the younger side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Yeboii said: Then why aren't they? Also, some of those players on the list are over 18 Zola was talking of the situation RIGHT NOW. Not how things should be or will be. If you look, I clarified that is was a historical list, including players who are now 20 or so, BUT got big minutes as teens at their clubs, it is from a November 1st post and WATCH all of those players most everyone is going to be at huge clubs or already are the real (actual price to buy) market value of just the 25 man roster I chiselled out is already NOW around £1.5 BILLION quid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Vesper said: If you look, I clarified that is was a historical list, including players who are now 20 or so, BUT got big minutes as teens at their clubs, it is from a November 1st post and WATCH all of those players most everyone is going to be at huge clubs or already are the real (actual price to buy) market value of just the 25 man roster I chiselled out is already NOW around £1.5 BILLION quid how can't you see that Quote and WATCH all of those players] is subjective and merely one's opinion is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Robchels said: how can't you see that is subjective and merely one's opinion is beyond me. Doubt me, bookmark and watch as they are sold. Market valuations that translate into real sale prices are not subjective, there is an easily quantifiable record to track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Vesper said: Doubt me, bookmark and watch as they are sold. Market valuations that translate into real sale prices are not subjective, there is an easily quantifiable record to track. Perhaps.. some will, some won't. Either you make money off of it, perhaps as a scout, in which case you wouldn't be wasting time posting here (nor sharing your knowledge base), or you merely have an opinion like everyone else here. Interesting... now you use valuation as a variable... but when talking about Alonso and Willian, whatever they are sold for, is irrelevant because they are "shite." Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Robchels said: I'm not sure what this means... if that is indeed my squad, then I'd put money on them against your random list or youngsters (who haven't done nothing yet) any day of the week and twice on sundays. I'd suggest looking into stats regarding the number of youngsters starting in top clubs' senior squads and their success rate... It suggests one must be very careful in employing too many youngsters. Hint: the teams playing the CL final are usually NOT on the younger side. As if our current back 4 could handle those wingers and CF's NOW, let alone as those teens and 20 year olds become prime age peak players (some already are, hello Mr Mbappe, Mr Cutrone, Mr Sancho, Mr Vinicius, Mr Aouar, Mr Sarr, Mr Jovic, Mr Alexander-Arnold, Mr Sessegnon, Mr Felix, (now, let alone 2, 3 years down the road, and I will even stop the age lock for our back 4) have fun with Alonso, Jorginho, a rapidly leggy Azpi, and Luiz) Same goes for that defence. Have you even seen many of them play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Vesper said: As if our current back 4 could handle those wingers and CF's NOW, let alone as those teens and 20 year olds become prime age peak players (some already are, hello Mr Mbappe, Mr Cutrone, Mr Sancho, Mr Vinicius, Mr Aouar, Mr Sarr, Mr Jovic, Mr Alexander-Arnold, Mr Sessegnon, Mr Felix, (now, let alone 2, 3 years down the road, and I will even stop the age lock for our back 4) have fun with Alonso, Jorginho, a rapidly leggy Azpi, and Luiz) Same goes for that defence. Have you even seen many of them play? I don't know which CL finals you watch, but the ones I do have a lot 30s who seem to handle all wingers just fine. Out of the list, Mbappe is the only one at prime... Again, the only player in this list dominating in CL is Mbappe, the others have not faced the the strongest opposition, which is always in CL. How can you list those other players along with Mbappe, who won a freaking World Cup as the MoTM is beyond me. My VERY personal opinion is that Bundesliga is pretty much unwatchable for the most part. Disorganized, open, and pretty poor technique esp in the mid tier teams. However, I do know there are good players there, and I'm sure you've spotted some of them. But only when they move to a top club, probably at CL, they will be truly tested. That's how it works: bigger club, bigger wages, and more pressure. Some will make it others won't. Maybe you haven't seen enough promising players fail, but I have... not pretty. And by disorganized, I say players enjoy too much time on the ball, which is not the case in strongest leagues. See Bakayoko for example. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, Robchels said: Perhaps.. some will, some won't. Either you make money off of it, perhaps as a scout, in which case you wouldn't be wasting time posting here (nor sharing your knowledge base), or you merely have an opinion like everyone else here. Interesting... now you use valuation as a variable... but when talking about Alonso and Willian, whatever they are sold for, is irrelevant because they are "shite." I very much care about what they are sold for, not just that they are off they team, we turned down bloody £110m in hard offers for those two prats last summer. CRIMINAL IMHO. I never said said just low-ball sell them or any other player (except Drinkwater as we are paying that donkey an insane £120K per week, so will have to eat a big chunk on either the transfer fee or pay part of his wages to get him moved out). You ave me confused with someone else. I am all about the quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Robchels said: I don't know which CL finals you watch, but the ones I do have a lot 30s who seem to handle all wingers just fine. I am not talking about CL finals, that is a strawman, I was positing that team versus our current squad. Seeing as you are bringing it up, and seeing as that team is so young, there is a more than decent chance, if most develop out to anywhere near their potential, that in a few years it could quite possibly go deep deep into the CL, if not win it outright. Especially with a few tweaks as the years went by. Like I said, bookmark it. I fully stand by my prediction in terms of sale prices when they happen. Pulisic just went for almost £60m. Prorated over the 25 man squad there is your £1.5bn right there. And Mbappe, when sold will go for at least £275m or so, probably £300m. Add in Felix and de Light and from just those 4 players, you are looking at around £550m plus, so already over a third of the way there, and still 21 players left to be sold. You wll only have to average £45m (basically what we are asking for CHO, who wouldn't even make that squad) per head to hit £1.5bn. Of the 21 left you are talking about Sancho Vinícius Júnior Gianluigi Donnarumma Trent Alexander-Arnold Ryan Sessegnon Houssem Aouar Luka Jovic those alone would/will sell for around £475 to £500m. take the lower number, 475m add it to the 550m above £1.025bn and still 14 players to sell you are now down to an average of only £34m per player needed try to buy Declan Rice for £34m. West Ham will laugh in your face. Same for Ibrahima Konaté from RB Leipzig (they want 100m euros for his CB partner Dayot Upamecano) Try to buy Achraf Hakimi from Real for that. LOLOL or (provided he progresses as I think he will), Nicolò Zaniolo at Roma Like I said, bookmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Vesper said: I am not talking about CL finals, that is a strawman, I was positing that team versus our current squad. Seeing as you are bringing it up, and seeing as that team is so young, there is a more than decent chance, if most develop out to anywhere near their potential, that in a few years it could quite possibly go deep deep into the CL, if not win it outright. Especially with a few tweaks as the years went by. Like I said, bookmark it. I fully stand by my prediction in terms of sale prices when they happen. Pulisic just went for almost £60m. Prorated over the 25 man squad there is your £1.5bn right there. And Mbappe, when sold will go for at least £275m or so, probably £300m. Add in Felix and de Light and from just those 4 players, you are looking at around £550m plus, so already over a third of the way there, and still 21 players left to be sold. You wll only have to average £45m (basically what we are asking for CHO, who wouldn't even make that squad) per head to hit £1.5bn. Of the 21 left you are talking about Sancho Vinícius Júnior Gianluigi Donnarumma Trent Alexander-Arnold Ryan Sessegnon Houssem Aouar Luka Jovic those alone would/will sell for around £475 to £500m. take the lower number, 475m add it to the 550m above £1.025bn and still 14 players to sell you are now down to an average of only £34m per player needed try to buy Declan Rice for £34m. West Ham will laugh in your face. Same for Ibrahima Konaté from RB Leipzig (they want 100m euros for his CB partner Dayot Upamecano) Try to buy Achraf Hakimi from Real for that. LOLOL or (provided he progresses as I think he will), Nicolò Zaniolo at Roma Like I said, bookmark. Thanks, but no thanks. I see that you enjoy this game. the thing is when you are wrong, and I can guarantee that you will be wrong in some of your predictions (someone will breakdown either physically or mentally and won’t develop). And then neither you, nor I, will care one bit... unless we have money in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 SEVENTY-FOUR MINUTES played in EPL all season!!! 11Drogba and Sir Mikel OBE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 On 15/02/2019 at 6:24 PM, Jason said: Matthijs De Ligt - 3,048 minutes Kai Havertz - 2,320 Gianluigi Donnarumma - 2,250 Evan N'Dicka - 2,207 Jadon Sancho - 1,771 Vinicus Jr - 1,729 Ryan Sessegnon - 1,656 Diego Lainez - 1,437 Nicolo Zaniolo - 1,308 Justin Kluivert - 1,194 HUDSON-ODOI - 1,064 Zola, just like Sarri, is talking BS! and that 1064 minutes is utterly bogus, as over 40% comes from the reserves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Report: Chelsea Management Unhappy With Sarri’s Handling of Hudson-Odoi http://chelseafconline.com/2019/02/report-chelsea-management-unhappy-with-sarris-handling-of-hudson-odoi/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Soon as the window closed I knew what little minutes he got were done. We played him the bare minimum to get Bayern to back off. After that? He isnt rated any more than a Tomori. Clockwork 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 6 hours ago, mccg said: Report: Chelsea Management Unhappy With Sarri’s Handling of Hudson-Odoi http://chelseafconline.com/2019/02/report-chelsea-management-unhappy-with-sarris-handling-of-hudson-odoi/ Bullshit! If they cared enough about youth development that would have been in the managers contract... not hearsay... MoroccanBlue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 And this is why he wanted to leave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 5:24 PM, Robchels said: Bullshit! If they cared enough about youth development that would have been in the managers contract... not hearsay... People pretending Cahill is some influential figure and now people pretending this club cares about youth. Honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2-0 down and Sarri brings on a defender for a defender?! What was the talk about Sarri considering CHO on the same level as Pedro/Willian?! kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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