🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Ethan Ampadu

[manpe 10,861]

11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I think he needs to pick a position and stick with it

What can he do about it? It's the coaches' decision. CB one time, MF the other... they don't seem to know what to do with him either.

[the wes 7,212]

29 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I think he needs to pick a position and stick with it

Marcel Desailly never had a problem playing two positions I think it's handy having a player that can play two positions especially when your team has  injuries 

[Vesper 30,185]

6 minutes ago, the wes said:

Marcel Desailly never had a problem playing two positions I think it's handy having a player that can play two positions especially when your team has  injuries 

he just seems to be betwixt and between to me

would rather see him go full stop CB and only play MF if there is an injury or a suspension or someone needs a rest

[the wes 7,212]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

 

would rather see him go full stop CB and only play MF if there is an injury or a suspension or someone needs a rest

I agree 👍

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

Fabio Cannavaro 178cm Fifa player of the year in 2006 is the best example of short defenders. 

[Vesper 30,185]

3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Fabio Cannavaro 178cm Fifa player of the year in 2006 is the best example of short defenders. 

beast!

and

Franz Beckenbauer, arguably the greatest centre back ever    1.81m

Franco Baresi  1.76m

Bobby Moore   1.78m

Daniel Passarella   1.73m

Ricardo Carvalho 1.83m

[BlueLyon 9,359]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

beast!

and

Franz Beckenbauer, arguably the greatest centre back ever    1.81m

Franco Baresi  1.76m

Bobby Moore   1.78m

Daniel Passarella   1.73m

Ricardo Carvalho 1.83m

Id say its pointless to compare CBs from 20, 30 years ago with today football.

You can prep way more with all the videos and data to take advantage of the height/speed/shape of oppoments defences.

[Vesper 30,185]

9 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Id say its pointless to compare CBs from 20, 30 years ago with today football.

You can prep way more with all the videos and data to take advantage of the height/speed/shape of oppoments defences.

every one of those listed, regardless of the age in which they played, would be monsters today, plus, they themselves would have the advantage of today's technology

I have seen people say Eusébio, Jairzinho, Alfredo di Stefano, Gunnar Nordahl, Ferenc Puskás, and Garrincha, etc would not be absolute top 10 players in the world today if they played now. I say that is profound tosh.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

14 hours ago, Vesper said:

every one of those listed, regardless of the age in which they played, would be monsters today, plus, they themselves would have the advantage of today's technology

I have seen people say Eusébio, Jairzinho, Alfredo di Stefano, Gunnar Nordahl, Ferenc Puskás, and Garrincha, etc would not be absolute top 10 players in the world today if they played now. I say that is profound tosh.

They may be or they may be not. Thats why it makes no sense to compare them to today football.

Also, many footballers back then lived very unhealthy life and that would annihilate them today when you have to be ready for 60-70games per season.

[Vesper 30,185]

4 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Also, many footballers back then lived very unhealthy life and that would annihilate them today when you have to be ready for 60-70games per season.

that literally makes no sense

if they grew up today they would obviously be more healthy

[BlueLyon 9,359]

18 hours ago, Vesper said:

that literally makes no sense

if they grew up today they would obviously be more healthy

Lets just ignore that their entirely different lifestyle would have zero effect on everything else. 

Because its that simple

[Vesper 30,185]

Just now, BlueLyon said:

Lets just ignore that their entirely different lifestyle would have zero effect on everything else. 

Because its that simple

time travel is fun

[LAM09 7,056]

Been excluded for all three match days (2 league, 1 Cup) so far.

Not a great sign

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

Been excluded for all three match days (2 league, 1 Cup) so far.

Not a great sign

Too good team for him. And tbh I was never impressed with him. Short to be CB. Maybe he becomes DM on Romeu level but that's it. Gilmour and Gallagher are already better. 

[LAM09 7,056]

Too good team for him. And tbh I was never impressed with him. Short to be CB. Maybe he becomes DM on Romeu level but that's it. Gilmour and Gallagher are already better. 

Another case of the board not picking the right option & the player paying the price as a result.

Can see it getting cut short in January already.

[ja1 1,166]

It is early times but yes it was such a random loan. Logically, why would they play him. They have great depth in DM and CB. It feels like, sometimes, both English teams and fans think they can send any young player, no matter how inexperienced, to a Bundesliga club that isn’t Munich/Dortmund and they’ll be automatically due for a great loan (Oxford, Smith Rowe). A bit of arrogance and naivety about it.

 

Mount, Abraham built up from low levels to get to first team now, I am not sure why they gave this aggressive loan to Ampadu when he just needs to play. A Championship loan would be perfect, give him a 40 game + season to work with. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

It must be too early to judge the value of the loan so we should give club and player time to settle.

As for Ethan's potential future at Chelsea I believe that would have to be at CB. It doesn't look to me that he has the game to be a midfielder for us.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

Like I said around few months ago, he should have gone to Norwich on loan. They desperately need a CB and we need a place where he can grow. I still think Ampadu can become a big player so hopefully this loan will turn out ok as the season progresses

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

On 26/08/2019 at 3:04 AM, NikkiCFC said:

Too good team for him. And tbh I was never impressed with him. Short to be CB. Maybe he becomes DM on Romeu level but that's it. Gilmour and Gallagher are already better. 

Again think its odd to just throw in Gilmour and Gallagher are already better when really they all play different positions to Ethan and even then, Gilmour hasnt played first team at any level and Gallagher is only just starting to now. Ampadu played first team football when he was 15.

Think Bundesliga loan at a team with good players already in his position automatically puts him in a much more difficult situation/position, similarly to like when he was here, good players in the positions he plays already. Doesnt make him any less of a prospect.

Everytime I have seen Ethan play, except one Europa League game last season, he has impressed me, even playing for Wales. He has such a maturity, assuredness and calmness than you dont see in many 18 year olds. He doesnt get flustered in a game even if he makes a mistake. Technically he can play easily off both feet and is very tenacious and physical for a slightly built guy. 

Connor Gallaghers started well but that form and goal return will tail off at somepoint as the physical demands of playing actual football that isnt u23s will get to him eventually as will inconsistencies with being a youngster as I am sure it does to most players who come out of u23s/youth team football. The intensity and physical demands arent of the same level, the championship is a brutal league as well because some teams just sit and play direct longball, very physical and a much more aggresive style of football.

Rate Billy highly but again, no first team football that isnt u23s at a really competitive or much more demanding level. 

Again they need to be gauged and either introduced into the group or loaned to gain some experience. I think Connors got a good move and I hope Billy could follow in January or next summer as getting used to the more physical demands of professional football in a league like the championship or league 1 would be benefical to him progressing. Dont want to start putting too much pressure or expectation on these kids coming through though, since Lamps came back I have seen stuff like sell Alonso and use the youth team LB as a back up to a player whos suffered 2 or 3 big injuries in 6 seasons or it was we shouldnt buy Kovacic and use Billy or someone else instead.  And it will be the same while Franks here as there is this weird sort of ideology that Chelsea are all of a sudden going to be like Ajax, when we realisitcally wont, 7 academy kids in the squad though (AC & Ruben in there too) who youd imagine will all get sufficient minutes is a good start with our youth record and a sign to show other groups that the chances are there.

I do think Tammys been very lucky in the way that Franks got his hands tied behind his back with the transfer ban and the standard of more senior options upfront so he really has nothing to lose giving Tammy a proper chance to prove his worth. Having worked with Mason and Tomori he will be able to trust and gauge them more as he will be more than aware of their capabilities from last season as well as Reece James who he will have undoubtedly seen in the Championship some weeks.

Think when Callum and Reece are back fit along with Tammy, Tomori and Mason those 5 (plus AC, RLC and Pulisic) give us enough of a youthful injection into the squad along with keeping experienced players around them that will undoubtedly aid and help with their development along with the coaching staff.

Next summer as well I think Frank will be a bit more likely to look to the market than to some of the other younger guys on loan because there are some obvious areas we are lacking real quality in, positions that to be competitive in title challenges/cup competitions you want or need that little bit more. Its strange and encouraging at the same time that hes giving these guys a chance and there seems to be a clearer path so it seems but again we have played 4 games. We could hit a really bad run for instance and he might go for the tried and tested for a while to get the job done. Theres just so many different variables and with FLs inexperience as well, it will be interesting to see if he will stick to his guns and do it his way or maybe adapt a bit like previous managers have. We have to remember hes still learning too.

[the wes 7,212]

We should re-call Ampadu back in the next transfer window he's not getting a look in at red bull leipzig