Marcos Alonso

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41 minutes ago, El P. said:

 This way at least we can all see that he is average, including manager and board.

 

The board loves average, otherwise the numpty cunts would not be talking about EXTENSIONS for shit Willian and Luiz and Sarri as well, as he keep playing the rotters.

I don't want Willian or Luiz on the team, I want them sold, which should have been done 2 or 3 bloody months ago

along with (not say all these should have been sold at once, obviously, but they ALL (or almost all) need to go go go and the sooner the better, as we lose value each passing month)

 

Willian (listed again just to make sure all know)

Luiz (listed again just to make sure all know)

Álvaro Morata GONE, DONE, ffs, what a blunder, bitter I am over all of it, including Conte/Costa

Tiémoué Bakayoko just sell him, as long as it is 35m or so, good riddance, complete bust, foolish shit board buy (he is a really nice guy though, true shame he is shit, I Thought he might have been a beast,he SHOULD have been a beast, oh well)

Willy Caballero (surely we can find a better backup keeper,and in this case a homegrown one)

Gary Cahill should have been sold last January, surely this summer past

Marcos Alonso (sorry bruv, you going to RM for £40m or so, ciaooooooo)

Emerson (sell him IF he is permanently fucked up from his knee and cannot ever again reach Roma form) << this is a fucking shame, as he was a badass LB at Roma, pre injury, Alonso's ass would be gone or backup if he had not been hurt so badly

Davide Zappacosta (he has been a bust overall, again very disappointing, but we need to find Azpi eventual replacement, and Zappa aint it)

Cesc Fàbregas    bye bye, too old

Danny Drinkwater  nothing more needs to be said, a true WTF!

Ruben Loftus-Cheek (with a buyback clause) or loan him out please, flip a coin, after baka and Morata, the most disappointing player on her, and most frustrating as she should be a MONSTER

Marco van Ginkel , sell him to PSV as soon as he recovers, he actually, if not hurt is better than Drinkwater, I fully believe that

Lucas Piazón sell him, bye bye, not upto snuff, not even close, sorry

Victor Moses Sarri obviously doesnt want him, that said, i would have done a backflip if he had started today over Willian at RW, hell he might have scored against his old team

Baba Rahman I want to give him a shot to see if he can play Sarriball, if he cannot, GONE, sell the lad, he is my wildcard longshot in that I think he might actually be good, another injury nightmare has fucked him

Kenedy sell sell sell, shame that cunt Ashley is fucking criminally cheap twat (I think the FA needs to stepp in and make him sell the club, he is raping it for his own fat ass) or we he would have been sold to the Geordie twats last summer

Kurt Zouma, the WORST injury victim, a fucking shame, he would have been a top 10 CB in world, a monster, but he isperma fucked, sell him, he will never be as good as before, 

Charly Musonda  he isn't good enough,and has a shit attitude, bye bye

Tammy Abraham sell him, maybe put a buyback clause in, I don't rate him at all atm, huge bust so far

Michy Batshuayi , I have no clue why we loaned him out, he could be either  (1) our starting striker and finally the answer or (2) we would know for sure he isn't good enough and then WE SELL him, loaning him out was fucking stupid move

 

21 deadwoods or non fits for Sarriball (or players we need to finally found are or are not deadwood or non'fits)

lots of chopping needs to be done

in an ideal world, Bats, Baba, Emerson (injury lingering is his issue) and RLC finally come good, but I doubt it

 

we also will have to sell like 30 other loanees too, IF FIFA new 8 man limit is put into effect

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Vesper said:

The board loves average, otherwise the numpty cunts would not be talking about EXTENSIONS for shit Willian and Luiz and Sarri as well, as he keep playing the rotters.

 

1 hour ago, El P. said:

This way at least we can all see that he is average, including manager and board.

 

This average manager has led those rotters to 6 wins out of 7. One draw and "Sarri Out" seeds getting planted already? So fucking spoilt.

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1 hour ago, El P. said:

I don't know if I would like him to keep scoring, because that way we will never get rid of him. This way at least we can all see that he is average, including manager and board.

On the other hand I would REALLY like him to keep scoring, because this team lacks goals badly.

Tough choice.

Suspect we understand the word "average" a bit differently.

You say in your post that we have so few goal scorers in the team, which by definition makes Alonso, a goal scorer, not average. In a broader sense, a player who is linked with RM and plays for Spain is not average.

Once again, just pointing out that there is personal preference in the mix here, which is absolutely fine of course. On the other hand, in a game where (the key player) Hazard was invisible, I'm surprised to find this thread (of the left back) so active...  are we not expecting a bit too much from our left back? "Just" defending seems to be enough for the other one...

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4 minutes ago, manpe said:

 

This average manager has led those rotters to 6 wins out of 7. One draw and "Sarri Out" seeds getting planted already? So fucking spoilt.

I never ONCE said Sarri out!

FFS! Thats a complete bullshit takeaway. 

I am reality based, you apparently are not and/or just a hit 'n run cheapshot artist

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Just now, Vesper said:

I never ONCE said Sarri out!

FFS! Thats a complete bullshit takeaway. 

I am reality based, you apparently are not and/or just a hit 'n run cheapshot artist

I didn't even claim that you said it, you didn't read my post properly. And I don't know what this hit n run cheapshot artist means, so that can't really offend me if you were trying to.

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10 hours ago, Stats said:

But even at 28, that is a fairly young age. LB really start getting slower from their early 30s. Way too early to talk about replacing him based on age-wise.

As i repeatedly post, there is a grand total of TWO world class LB's over 28yo,

just 2

Marcelo 31 in May 2019

Jordi Alba 30 in March 2019

thats it, not joking

 

at DMF, there is ONE WC player over 30

Fernandinho, and soon (2 years more MAX) we will not be WC, as he turns 34 in May and is already showing signs of slowing done compared to last year even

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1 minute ago, manpe said:

I didn't even claim that you said it, you didn't read my post properly. And I don't know what this hit n run cheapshot artist means, so that can't really offend me if you were trying to.

yes you did, and I am NOT spoilt

I want a good team and to win trophies

Are you going to call Barca, RM, Bayern, Juve, Manure punters spoilt?

Why should the biggest team in the arguably most important city in the world for the last 150 to 200 years settle for average?

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6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

The board loves average, otherwise the numpty cunts would not be talking about EXTENSIONS for shit Willian and Luiz and Sarri as well, as he keep playing the rotters.

I don't want Willian or Luiz on the team, I want them sold, which should have been done 2 or 3 bloody months ago

along with (not say all these should have been sold at once, obviously, but they ALL (or almost all) need to go go go and the sooner the better, as we lose value each passing month)

 

Willian (listed again just to make sure all know)

Luiz (listed again just to make sure all know)

Álvaro Morata GONE, DONE, ffs, what a blunder, bitter I am over all of it, including Conte/Costa

Tiémoué Bakayoko just sell him, as long as it is 35m or so, good riddance, complete bust, foolish shit board buy (he is a really nice guy though, true shame he is shit, I Thought he might have been a beast,he SHOULD have been a beast, oh well)

Willy Caballero (surely we can find a better backup keeper,and in this case a homegrown one)

Gary Cahill should have been sold last January, surely this summer past

Marcos Alonso (sorry bruv, you going to RM for £40m or so, ciaooooooo)

Emerson (sell him IF he is permanently fucked up from his knee and cannot ever again reach Roma form) << this is a fucking shame, as he was a badass LB at Roma, pre injury, Alonso's ass would be gone or backup if he had not been hurt so badly

Davide Zappacosta (he has been a bust overall, again very disappointing, but we need to find Azpi eventual replacement, and Zappa aint it)

Cesc Fàbregas    bye bye, too old

Danny Drinkwater  nothing more needs to be said, a true WTF!

Ruben Loftus-Cheek (with a buyback clause) or loan him out please, flip a coin, after baka and Morata, the most disappointing player on her, and most frustrating as she should be a MONSTER

Marco van Ginkel , sell him to PSV as soon as he recovers, he actually, if not hurt is better than Drinkwater, I fully believe that

Lucas Piazón sell him, bye bye, not upto snuff, not even close, sorry

Victor Moses Sarri obviously doesnt want him, that said, i would have done a backflip if he had started today over Willian at RW, hell he might have scored against his old team

Baba Rahman I want to give him a shot to see if he can play Sarriball, if he cannot, GONE, sell the lad, he is my wildcard longshot in that I think he might actually be good, another injury nightmare has fucked him

Kenedy sell sell sell, shame that cunt Ashley is fucking criminally cheap twat (I think the FA needs to stepp in and make him sell the club, he is raping it for his own fat ass) or we he would have been sold to the Geordie twats last summer

Kurt Zouma, the WORST injury victim, a fucking shame, he would have been a top 10 CB in world, a monster, but he isperma fucked, sell him, he will never be as good as before, 

Charly Musonda  he isn't good enough,and has a shit attitude, bye bye

Tammy Abraham sell him, maybe put a buyback clause in, I don't rate him at all atm, huge bust so far

Michy Batshuayi , I have no clue why we loaned him out, he could be either  (1) our starting striker and finally the answer or (2) we would know for sure he isn't good enough and then WE SELL him, loaning him out was fucking stupid move

 

21 deadwoods or non fits for Sarriball (or players we need to finally found are or are not deadwood or non'fits)

lots of chopping needs to be done

in an ideal world, Bats, Baba, Emerson (injury lingering is his issue) and RLC finally come good, but I doubt it

 

we also will have to sell like 30 other loanees too, IF FIFA new 8 man limit is put into effect

 

 

 

 

 

 

tho

I almost agree with you like always.
but for Marcos Alonso we can take also £50-55B becouse only40? 
Emerson should be keeped almost one year more, he has few opportunitis
and i keep also Fabregas (maybe) yes, he is old but he is one of the best passing skill of last 10 year ( near by xavi, pirlo...) and his pure ability are still above those of jorginho! Jorginho knows better sarri style and he's more younger and more dinamic, but for let jorginho rest fabregas will be very okay! 
RLC and Abrahim sell with buyclause or on loan 
For the others I sell all with indicative price:

Willian: £65B
Luiz: £25B
Álvaro Morata £55B
Tiémoué Bakayoko  £30B??
Gary Cahill £10B??
Marcos Alonso £55B
Davide Zappacosta  £15B
Danny Drinkwater  £15B
Marco van Ginkel £10B
Lucas Piazón £5B
Victor Moses £20B
Baba Rahman £10B
 Kenedy £10B
 Kurt Zouma £15B
Charly Musonda £5B
 Michy Batshuayi £40B
others are: Kalas, hector,baker and maybe someone else for total about £20B
total plus or minus £360B
with that buy 2-3 players and give opportunity to young!
My team for example with 433: (some players can play in more position so i write they more times (the first on in uppercase and then in lower case)
CB: RUDIGER, AC, AMPADU, azpilicueta, other (maybe one like kalas instead of sell him)
RB and LB: AZPILICUETA, EMERSON, new Buy for left and right
CC: JORGINHO, KANTE, KOVACIC,FABREGAS, BARKLEY, ampadu
WL: HAZARD, CHO
WR: (new buy like DYBALA), PEDRO
Striker (new) and second like giroud.
 

 

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2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

yes you did, and I am NOT spoilt

I want a good team and to win trophies

Are you going to call Barca, RM, Bayern, Juve, Manure punters spoilt?

Why should the biggest team in the arguably most important city in the world for the last 150 to 200 years settle for average?

No I didn't, I said that the seeds were getting planted, not that you outright said Sarri out. Difference. Don't think I've ever seen a bad word about Sarri on here before today, don't think it's a coincidence that it's happened just after we dropped our first points. I think it's premature to call Sarri average after such a brilliant start, also your last sentence now strongly hints that you want him out.

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1 minute ago, blues.bridge said:

I almost agree with you like always.
but for Marcos Alonso we can take also £50-55B becouse only40? 
Emerson should be keeped almost one year more, he has few opportunitis
and i keep also Fabregas (maybe) yes, he is old but he is one of the best passing skill of last 10 year ( near by xavi, pirlo...) and his pure ability are still above those of jorginho! Jorginho knows better sarri style and he's more younger and more dinamic, but for let jorginho rest fabregas will be very okay! 
RLC and Abrahim sell with buyclause or on loan 
For the others I sell all with indicative price:

Willian: £65B
Luiz: £25B
Álvaro Morata £55B
Tiémoué Bakayoko  £30B??
Gary Cahill £10B??
Marcos Alonso £55B
Davide Zappacosta  £15B
Danny Drinkwater  £15B
Marco van Ginkel £10B
Lucas Piazón £5B
Victor Moses £20B
Baba Rahman £10B
 Kenedy £10B
 Kurt Zouma £15B
Charly Musonda £5B
 Michy Batshuayi £40B
others are: Kalas, hector,baker and maybe someone else for total about £20B
total plus or minus £360B
with that buy 2-3 players and give opportunity to young!
My team for example with 433: (some players can play in more position so i write they more times (the first on in uppercase and then in lower case)
CB: RUDIGER, AC, AMPADU, azpilicueta, other (maybe one like kalas instead of sell him)
RB and LB: AZPILICUETA, EMERSON, new Buy for left and right
CC: JORGINHO, KANTE, KOVACIC,FABREGAS, BARKLEY, ampadu
WL: HAZARD, CHO
WR: (new buy like DYBALA), PEDRO
Striker (new) and second like giroud.
 

 

great post, and yes, I can maybe see getting £50,55m, the £40m number was my bare minimum (mainly due to his age, as there are only TWO WC LB'S over 28 in the world, Marcelo and Alba. Marcos turns 28 in December, so IF RM bought him next summer, they only get less than a year and half out of him until he turns 30. Then again, he was never a speedburner, so I could see him basically the same player for the next 3, 4 or maybe even 5 years with only a slight drop off. 

Emerson is now into the possible perma damage category. IF he recovers to Roma pre-injury form, he can be our starting LB. If he is a Zouma case, we gotta let him go.

Fabregas is not one of the sell NOW NOW NOW ones, he could hang on for 2 years or so (remember I said those 21 could obviously not be sold all in one window or a window and half)

I will only list (the sell prices) I disagree with

Luiz: £25B       £30m (its what PSG offered and we turned it down)
Tiémoué Bakayoko  £30B         £35m and done
Gary Cahill £10B          I would go for £15m, he is English so a 50% premium in EPL
Davide Zappacosta  £15B     £20-25m, to a Serie A club, they are desperate for Italian players
Danny Drinkwater  £15B           £30m, he is only 28 and English, and a great player for a West Ham type club 
Victor Moses £20B   £25m
Baba Rahman £10B   I want to give him a shot at finally playing LB (probably as a backup) for us, if he has to be sold, then £15m
Kenedy £10B            £15-20m
 Kurt Zouma £15B                  £25m at least, he is young and still pretty decent and counts as HG
Charly Musonda £5B            £10m or so, young and could help some teams
 Michy Batshuayi £40B     same as Baba, I really want to see if he could be our striker,  if not, you are close, I say £40-45m

 

I won't list my wanted team here

 

the board is full of my desired teams

 

again, good post

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20 minutes ago, manpe said:

No I didn't, I said that the seeds were getting planted, not that you outright said Sarri out. Difference. Don't think I've ever seen a bad word about Sarri on here before today, don't think it's a coincidence that it's happened just after we dropped our first points. I think it's premature to call Sarri average after such a brilliant start, also your last sentence now strongly hints that you want him out.

average PLAYERS, not average manager

LOL

I so so so so DO NOT WANT HIM OUT AT ALL, lol

no clue where you get that takeaway

I am patient with managers, more so than players

I just think he did what he perceived to be the right thing with starters and bench decision in last 2 games and it failed

we all make mistakes, so hopefully he just moves on and doesn't double down

I am ENTIRELY bought into his system

why else do you think i want those I listed out?

they do not fit into IT

or are simply not good enough, or are damaged goods

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average PLAYERS, not average manager
LOL
I so so so so DO NOT WANT HIM OUT AT ALL, lol
no clue where you get that takeaway
I am patient with managers, more so than players
I just think he did what he perceived to be the right thing with starters and bench decision in last 2 games and it failed
we all make mistakes, so hopefully he just moves on and doesn't double down
I am ENTIRELY bought into his system
why else do you think i want those I listed out?
they do not fit into IT
or are simply not good enough, or are damaged goods

Ok if you were talking about players, I thought we were talking about Sarri. Anyway I'm very high, good night!

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1 minute ago, manpe said:

Ok if you were talking about players, I thought we were talking about Sarri. Anyway I'm very high, good night!

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Lolol, hell no, I  would never call Sarri average, even if he fails here, as he has a unique vision that can deffo work, IF Roman and the asshole board backs him with the right players and does things in a truly proper future-forward intelligent manner.

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18 minutes ago, Vesper said:

great post, and yes, I can maybe see getting £50,55m, the £40m number was my bare minimum (mainly due to his age, as there are only TWO WC LB'S over 28 in the world, Marcelo and Alba. Marcos turns 28 in December, so IF RM bought him next summer, they only get less than a year and half out of him until he turns 30. Then again, he was never a speedburner, so I could see him basically the same player for the next 3, 4 or maybe even 5 years with only a slight drop off. 

Emerson is now into the possible perma damage category. IF he recovers to Roma pre-injury form, he can be our starting LB. If he is a Zouma case, we gotta let him go.

Fabregas is not one of the sell NOW NOW NOW ones, he could hang on for 2 years or so (remember I said those 21 could obviously not be sold all in one window or a window and half)

I will only list (the sell prices) I disagree with

Luiz: £25B       £30m (its what PSG offered and we turned it down)
Tiémoué Bakayoko  £30B         £35m and done
Gary Cahill £10B          I would go for £15m, he is English so a 50% premium in EPL
Davide Zappacosta  £15B     £20-25m, to a Serie A club, they are desperate for Italian players
Danny Drinkwater  £15B           £30m, he is only 28 and English, and a great player for a West Ham type club 
Victor Moses £20B   £25m
Baba Rahman £10B   I want to give him a shot at finally playing LB (probably as a backup) for us, if he has to be sold, then £15m
Kenedy £10B            £15-20m
 Kurt Zouma £15B                  £25m at least, he is young and still pretty decent and counts as HG
Charly Musonda £5B            £10m or so, young and could help some teams
 Michy Batshuayi £40B     same as Baba, I really want to see if he could be our striker,  if not, you are close, I say £40-45m

 

I won't list my wanted team here

 

the board is full of my desired teams

 

again, good post

maybe in jenuary we can try to put some deal with united and mourinho!
like take martial and  give Willian £65B and cahill.
for jenuary market:
sell: morata, willian, drinkwater, cahill, zappacosta or moses
take Martial and Dybala (if possible)
Hazard-martial-dybala for the rest of the season

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2 minutes ago, blues.bridge said:

maybe in jenuary we can try to put some deal with united and mourinho!
like take martial and  give Willian £65B and cahill.
for jenuary market:
sell: morata, willian, drinkwater, cahill, zappacosta or moses
take Martial and Dybala (if possible)
Hazard-martial-dybala for the rest of the season

Oki I will bite, and post what i would like to see us work towards starting in January, in terms of the actual team (you know my 21 outs, and again, they do not all have to go at once).

This all assumes Hazard does NOT renew and we sell or swap him next summer, if he stays just ignore the LW part

 

25 man roster

 

GK Kepa

GK  b/u Angus Gunn

GK 2nd b/u Marcin Bulka

 

CB Rudiger

CB ( TWO of these) Marquinhos (1st choice) or Matthijs de Ligt (2nd choice) or Benjamin Pavard (3rd choice) or Jonathan Tah (4th choice)

CB (2nd of the four right above)

CB AC

CB Ampadu

 

LB  Ryan Sessegnon (1st choice) or  Júnior Firpo - Real Betis (2nd choice and is my newest tracked player to be a WC fullback, he is big (1.84m), pacey as fuck, tenacious, great passer, I almost rate him as good as Sessegnon)  or Alejandro Grimaldo - Benfica  (3rd choice) or Wendell - Bayer Leverkusen (4th choice)

LB b/u Emerson or (if he is indeed never going to recover to Roma pre-knee injury form) Ferland Mendy Lyon (1st choice) or Dalbert - Inter Milan (2nd choice) or Borna Sosa - Stuttgart (3rd choice) or Marcelo Saracchi - RB Leipzig  (4th choice)

RB Azpi

RB  b/u IF we bought Pavard, he would be the backup RB, if we do not, then stick with Zappacosta, but if he insists on a transfer, then Elseid Hysaj (1st choice and eventual Azpi replacement, IF he accepts  waiting to start mostly) or (more likely) Davide Calabria  AC Milan 21yo (2nd choice) or Adam Marusic - Lazio (3rd choice) or Melingo Kevin Mbabu - Young Boys (4th choice)

 

DH DMF Jorginho

Box to Box hybrid AMF Kante IF he cannot adapt to Sarriball by next summer, we may have to sell him (I can hear the screams now, but if he simply cannot adapt it makes zero sense to hold onto a £120m best in world DMF that sits due to system), in which case I would go for Pogba (1st choice and we would have the Kante money to flat out buy him, IF we did sell Kante) or  Rúben Neves of Wolves who can play almost anywhere in MF (2nd choice)

CMF Kovacic (IF we lose him back to RM, then  Frenkie de Jong of Ajax (1st choice) or the others I list in next CMF spot

CMF Bryan Cristante (on loan to Roma from Atalanta, 1st choice) or Amadou Haidara - RB Salzburg (2nd choice) or Roberto Gagliardini - Inter (3rd choice) or Nicolò Barella - Cagliari (4th choice)

AMF Kai Havertz (1st choice) or Talisca (2nd choice)

AMF Barkley 

 

LW  Marco Asensio (only way he would ever come here is if RM tossed him into a Hazard deal, 1st choice) or Federico Chiesa (2nd choice and far more likely, and probably as good) or Vinícius Júnior (same as Asensio, buy maybe a WEE less unlikely, 3rd choice) or Mikel Oyarzabal (4th choice)

LW b/u CHO

RW Bailey (1st choice BY FAR) all the rest are b/u

RW b/u David Neres (1st choice) or Suso (2nd choice) 

 

CF Icardi (1st choice) or Dybala (2nd choice) or Martial (3rd choice) or Krzysztof Piatek (4th choice)

CF b/u Maximiliano Gómez - Celta Vigo or Giovanni Simeone - Fiorentina (flip a coin, lol)

CF 2nd b/u Giroud

 

Junior Firpo

 

David Neres

 

Bryan Cristante

 

Frenkie de Jong

 

Angus Gunn

 

Giovanni Simeone

 

finally, because MF is so damn complicated, here is a complete breakdown where I list all remotely available and also go into our targets

 

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10 hours ago, manpe said:

This average manager has led those rotters to 6 wins out of 7. One draw and "Sarri Out" seeds getting planted already? So fucking spoilt.

I never said that Sarri is average, "including manager and the board" meant that they too could see how average Alonso is, if he doesn't score.

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52 minutes ago, El P. said:

I never said that Sarri is average, "including manager and the board" meant that they too could see how average Alonso is, if he doesn't score.

Man that's embarrassing, how could I misinterpret your and Vesper's posts so badly.  My only excuse was being under the influence and having a bad trip (very negative thinking)  My bad

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Just now, manpe said:

Man that's embarrassing, how could I misinterpret your and Vesper's posts so badly.  My only excuse was being under the influence 

Well, usually you are top poster so I gave you benefit of a doubt and stood calm, but yes, misunderstanding big time.