Styles 9,790 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Instead of searching who's gonna be our captain, we should first focus on searching players having balls, leadership and with a real character (kinda like Drogba, Ballack, etc...). That's what we have been missing this year. Armband or not, a leader will a leader will remain a leader.This. Ballack, Drogba, Cech, Lampard, Carvalho...all big characters who knew what it took to win and never hid when it mattered. They weren't Chelsea captains but it never made them any less influential. Peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 It's just a bit of cloth at the end of the day. I never understood why some supporters get worked up over an armband as much as they do. It's completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.It's not about who should be captain, who's got the character etc as you made in the post after that. It's about having a captain that plays week in week out in our starting XI and not constantly change the captaincy for every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 This 'natural leader' guff is perhaps the most over-exaggerated thing in football. It's almost as bad as the people who bleat on about passion, fighting for the shirt and all those other terrible clichés. I never thought I'd hear that from a Chelsea fan after last year's CL win. The Skipper and Bosnian Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 I'm favouring selling him if the opportunity arises. Take away that he is captain, and it's clear that he should no longer be first choice anymore. In fact I believe we are now a weaker team with Terry in the team. He's never been blessed with pace, but he can barely move around the pitch now and I seriously worry about him playing against top strikers with a bit of pace.Maybe it's that he hasn't been playing very often, but I don't see his leadership as crucial compared with 2-3 years ago. We have a growing Spanish/Brazilian contingent at the club which have taken a lot of responsibility on with their performances on the pitch.His wages suggest a guaranteed first choice and similarly to Torres, he clearly shouldn't be. If we can offload and bring a young centre back in as replacement we should.This doesn't take anything away from Terry's immense contributions for the club over the years. He will always be a legend at the club, but sentiment shouldn't play a part. That is why Fergie was so good over the years, he knew when to let players go and find replacements and we must do the same to continue progressing. Peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 I never thought I'd hear that from a Chelsea fan after last year's CL win. You think those awful clichés represent and sum up the journey that our players and football have been on for the last 10 years? Terry is supposedly the epitome of a natural leader and yet he wasn't part of the final through his own sheer stupidity that very nearly cost the team a place in the final. 'Natural leader' and all those other terrible clichés have absolutely nothing to do with what transpired in Munich last year. That was the culmination of a 10 year slog, the trophy was won through sheer hard work and a whole lot of luck that we deserved after so many heartbreaks. What does the term 'natural leader' have to do with that? Baffled.The issue here is hyping up nonsense like 'natural leader' to justify keeping a player who may no longer have a significant role in the squad moving forward. Who is stay other players who are going to play major roles over the next 4,5,6 years won't stand up and take more responsibility? LDN Blue, Madmax, Rubber bullets and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Plastic fans claiming we should sell JT. Still not over the club letting Drogba leave but if JT doesn't retire at the club we've officially become a soulless club like Rafa said we were all those years back.Is he a first choice defender anymore? Who knows?We've statistically conceded MORE goals without him in the team these past few years. He hasn't had a reliable partner at the back since Alex left. Luiz, Cahill and Ivanovic each have their flaws so to pin the blame for our crappy defense on him is ridiculous.Not like the clowns in front of him offer our back line any protection either. It's embarrassingly easy to bypass our midfield and its one of the biggest issues for our recent trend of poor defending. As for the mobility issues, well that's only a problem if your partner also lacks pace.Arsenal's defense was magnificent in the 2nd half of the season with Mertesacker paired alongside Koscielny, Barcelona have been abysmal since Puyol's injury problems, United's defense improved once Vidic returned and he isn't renowned for his pace.Then you have the likes of Demichiles, Van Buyten, Carragher and Alex who all had terrific individual seasons despite lacking speed.Fact is JT's still an excellent goal threat, his distribution from the back is still 2nd to none, is the greatest leader the club will ever see and he has a incredible habit of bouncing back in the face of adversity and proving everyone wrong. F*** the haters, he deserves at least one more season after everything he's done for the club. Manuf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Plastic fans claiming we should sell JT. Still not over the club letting Drogba leave but if JT doesn't retire at the club we've officially become a soulless club like Rafa said we were all those years back.Is he a first choice defender anymore? Who knows?We've statistically conceded MORE goals without him in the team these past few years. He hasn't had a reliable partner at the back since Alex left. Luiz, Cahill and Ivanovic each have their flaws so to pin the blame for our crappy defense on him is ridiculous.Not like the clowns in front of him offer our back line any protection either. It's embarrassingly easy to bypass our midfield and its one of the biggest issues for our recent trend of poor defending. As for the mobility issues, well that's only a problem if your partner also lacks pace.Arsenal's defense was magnificent in the 2nd half of the season with Mertesacker paired alongside Koscielny, Barcelona have been abysmal since Puyol's injury problems, United's defense improved once Vidic returned and he isn't renowned for his pace.Then you have the likes of Demichiles, Van Buyten, Carragher and Alex who all had terrific individual seasons despite lacking speed.Fact is JT's still an excellent goal threat, his distribution from the back is still 2nd to none, is the greatest leader the club will ever see and he has a incredible habit of bouncing back in the face of adversity and proving everyone wrong.F*** the haters, he deserves at least one more season after everything he's done for the club.With the exception of Carragher, all the rest don't play in the Premier League which is widely recognised as the fastest and most intense major league in Europe to play in. As for Carragher, the bin dippers finished mid table. He wouldn't be good enough to be first choice for a title chasing team and that is exactly my point, because neither is Terry.If Terry was on similar wages to the rest of our squad, I would say keep him as a squad player for next season, but he is one of our highest paid players by some margin and no longer justifies this. With not just FFP coming into play but the Premier League's own new rules regarding wage increases, etc, it may well be beneficial for us to seriously consider letting him move on if there are offers being made for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 The issue here is hyping up nonsense like 'natural leader' to justify keeping a player who may no longer have a significant role in the squad moving forward. Who is stay other players who are going to play major roles over the next 4,5,6 years won't stand up and take more responsibility?I'd like to add that, in my opinion, keeping Terry and Lampard around doesn't necessarily do any good to that aspect (i.e. the charactere of our others players). Oscar, Mata etc... seem to be kind of shy players — or at least, not "natural born leader". Now, when you're such a player and enter a squad where there's players regarded as legends, true leaders etc... just as Terry and Lampard, what do you do ? You sit back and relax, and enjoy life without worrying about responsabilities.That's kinda like when you do a group work at school. When you're with school mates who are the best of your class, hard workers and al, you'll do nothing apart scrutinize the blue sky. Though, when you're in group with dumb people and wankers, since nothing's gonna happen and that you don't want to get a bad grade, you take your responsabilities and become the leader of the group.So yeah, I don't believe that hanging upon this past relic (i.e. the presumed leadership provided by our old players) is a good thing. Maybe in the short-term it can be good, but in the long, definitely not.You can swim all your life with life-belt, you'll remain safe this way, though won't improve as a self. But in the end, once you drop them because you just cannot swim with a life-belt in before the eyes of your children, you'll sink like a rock. LDN Blue, zolayes and Styles 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! zolayes 14,489 Posted June 6, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted June 6, 2013 Plastic fans claiming we should sell JT. Still not over the club letting Drogba leave but if JT doesn't retire at the club we've officially become a soulless club like Rafa said we were all those years back.Is he a first choice defender anymore? Who knows?We've statistically conceded MORE goals without him in the team these past few years. He hasn't had a reliable partner at the back since Alex left. Luiz, Cahill and Ivanovic each have their flaws so to pin the blame for our crappy defense on him is ridiculous.Not like the clowns in front of him offer our back line any protection either. It's embarrassingly easy to bypass our midfield and its one of the biggest issues for our recent trend of poor defending. As for the mobility issues, well that's only a problem if your partner also lacks pace.Arsenal's defense was magnificent in the 2nd half of the season with Mertesacker paired alongside Koscielny, Barcelona have been abysmal since Puyol's injury problems, United's defense improved once Vidic returned and he isn't renowned for his pace.Then you have the likes of Demichiles, Van Buyten, Carragher and Alex who all had terrific individual seasons despite lacking speed.Fact is JT's still an excellent goal threat, his distribution from the back is still 2nd to none, is the greatest leader the club will ever see and he has a incredible habit of bouncing back in the face of adversity and proving everyone wrong.F*** the haters, he deserves at least one more season after everything he's done for the club.Fans who think it is time up for JT are NOT plastic fans... I really object to this term being used for anyone with a different pointof view . JT certainly hasn't long left certainly not more than two years if that. Lampard is a different case . He could continue to bea squad player as his fitness isnt a problem. To accept that JT is coming to the end of his playing career isnt being plastic it is beingRealistic. As for staying on after his playing days are over ,,that scenario was destroyed by the Anton case. Rubber bullets, Superblue, LDN Blue and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
different level 1,056 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 He had issues with his fitness this season, but it's really depressing to see how many people write him off even before the start of the next one. IMO he still has a lot to give to the team despite people claiming his body is falling apart and him being close to retirement. Don't forget he is not that old yet GeeMon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Driver 503 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Jose has not written our capt off he knows you cant buy the commitment people like JT and Lamps have for our club they would die for Chelsea fans and Jose will get the best out of JT for sure . My bet is JT will be nack to his best next season and will force his way back into the side as no. 1 choice that is the character of the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Sky Sports News @SkySportsNews Jose Mourinho reveals John Terry will remain Chelsea club captain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubber bullets 1,183 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 He had issues with his fitness this season, but it's really depressing to see how many people write him off even before the start of the next one. IMO he still has a lot to give to the team despite people claiming his body is falling apart and him being close to retirement. Don't forget he is not that old yet Its not that rare for players to retire before the ages of 35 due to fitness issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mceachran 109 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 1. JT can still give a lot to this club even if he isn't a starter and doesn't wear the armband (I don't see where Jose actually stated that JT will be captain).2. I think that they really should focus on his physical abilities this summer, he needs no improvement elsewhere.3. About the armband: I don't think Terry should play every game (unless his mobility makes a shocking turnaround as per 2.), and so I don't think he should wear the band. But I don't think goalkeepers should wear armband because they physically are limited in their interaction with the ref. so I think it will be interesting who wears the armband for most of the games next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I really can't stand people who hold grudges, just move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I absolutely love JT #nohomo but I think its time to let him go. Just as we are free of any controversy he pops up with another. His got to much baggage in my opinion for what he can now contribute on the pitch. I hope we dont renew his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I really think this will be John's last season. And I don't think he will be offered a coaching position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I absolutely love JT #nohomo but I think its time to let him go. Just as we are free of any controversy he pops up with another. His got to much baggage in my opinion for what he can now contribute on the pitch. I hope we dont renew his contract.BS man ... I could care less about his "controversies" honestly.He is a club legend and we need people like him, its good for the spirit of the club, for the soul, for the heart of the team.Plus he can still be pretty good on the pitch IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 BS man ... I could care less about his "controversies" honestly.He is a club legend and we need people like him, its good for the spirit of the club, for the soul, for the heart of the team.Plus he can still be pretty good on the pitch IMO.I know his a club legend but there comes a time where the baggage becomes to much for the reputation of a club. We need to improve our PR and with JT around there is always something. I'm sure Rafa was tasked with that job specifically of phasing him out slowly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I know his a club legend but there comes a time where the baggage becomes to much for the reputation of a club. We need to improve our PR and with JT around there is always something. I'm sure Rafa was tasked with that job specifically of phasing him out slowlyOne more season. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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