Kez 2,727 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 10,227 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) Forgive us for not letting sentiments cloud our judgements. Oh, and no, I don't really buy it when players say they love the club they play for. They wouldn't be here if not for the fat paychecks they get. Would JT play for us with, let's say, 10,000 pound or less a week? I really doubt that. It does not even matter about the money i think jt would be here at our club even if he did not have a massive pay check not once has he said he wants to leave for more money so what make you think hes here for just that reason. Edited February 22, 2009 by STEV3O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesthetic Relic 301 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Theres no doubting JT's commitment to the club, its there for all to see. I just think it would be madness not to consider a bid for 5/6 times his market value. Clubs sell their best players....thats a fact, we're no different to any other club. If JT doesnt want to leave then I'm happy for him to stick around and see his days out playing for Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Cee 50 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) ^ TB, I think it'd be madness not to consider a bid of 2 or 3 times a player's market value. Let alone 5 or 6... It does not even matter about the money i think jt would be here at our club even if he did not have a massive pay check not once has he said he wants to leave for more money so what make you think hes here for just that reason. If that is so, then he'd immediately sign the first deal he was offered. There wouldn't be any contract negotiation and his contract negotiations was quite long, mind. He's never said that because he was given a mega contract. What would he say if he wasn't given the contract he wanted? I'm sure he wouldn't be content because he knows he's a big player. Anyway, it's off-topic. Edited February 22, 2009 by .Biru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 If it was a offer from a club in the top 4 then maybe he'd consider it.But Man City are a midtable side and thats all their likely to be the way their going so I cant see him leaving us to sign for them even if they did offer him loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikno 1 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 It's a tough question. Normally I'd say no, but with the crazy money that some people are quoting, why not? That being said, however crazy City are, I don't think they'd spend that much on JT. Regardless of whether or not they did, we'd not only be losing one of our best and influential players, we'd also be losing our captain. You also have to take into account the man's friendship with Frank Lampard, I'm not saying Frank plays well because of JT (far from it, that'd be outrageous) but to be able to play on the pitch week in-week out with a guy and make such a friendship (which we're led to believe they have), it'd surely knock him a bit. I'm not so sure that the benefits of selling him outweigh the negative points. However much money we get for him, it'd affect the team as a whole, he's our captain and there are no big influences in our team, not even Lampard could fill his role as a permanent captain, he's just not as big a character. We say we need the money, really we don't. Roman's goal is self-sufficiency, if we made anywhere near £50m (which just wouldn't happen), how much of that would go towards a new defender, or a new captain, or just a new player in another position? Not much I bet. We were £60m off break-even point this season, despite the fact that half of it was due to managers, that's still £30m off, even if we improve on that, we wouldn't be spending a big amount of money as there's still quite a bit of a way to go to break-even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Theres no doubting JT's commitment to the club, its there for all to see. I just think it would be madness not to consider a bid for 5/6 times his market value. Clubs sell their best players....thats a fact, we're no different to any other club. If JT doesnt want to leave then I'm happy for him to stick around and see his days out playing for Chelsea. Fucking spot on. Some people need to take off their sentimental-tinted shades and look at the bigger picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Look at Man Utd. How they keep building their squad by selling players from their Glory times. We never wud have discovered Cech had it been for "Loyal Fans" who would have not benched Cudicni. Who knows we might find another Terry by Selling Terry. Mancienne is the one we should grrooom. For a defender, 40 million is freaking crazy. Use that money to build the squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I totally agree - we have to progress as a team, not just let one or two players age whilst we improve in other areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikno 1 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 But we signed Cech when we had cash to burn. That's not the situation now, if we sold Terry we'd need to buy a defender who is big. You bring up United, but when they've sold big players they've always replaced them with big players. When they sold Andy Cole they replaced him with RvN, Stam with Rio and Beckham with Ronaldo. They spent a lot of money on those replacements, which we wouldn't be able to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerCFC 7 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) Alex will be just as good if not better than JT if he is allowed to play every week somewhere. If Man City want JT for 40 million pounds; I say give him them. Edited February 22, 2009 by TylerCFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misschief 24 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 It does not even matter about the money i think jt would be here at our club even if he did not have a massive pay check not once has he said he wants to leave for more money You sure about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) We have not build on the squad over last 4yrs. It has been poor. We buy one player for another and thats it. We let Robben go and instead got a Load of Bullshit in Malouda. Thats not squad building. Thats called fixing voids. The problem with the club now is, They are trying to make profits on every player sale to fix the financial situation. Robben sold for 24Million and Malouda got for 13 million.. Maka, SWP, Sheva and Bridge sold and we got Boswinga and Deco for a total of 23 million. Its a business now and unfortunately its affecting our Squad. If we can sell JT we can get Ribery and robinho with that money plus another 10million from us. Atleast that will reinvigorate our attack. In defense we anyways have Ivanovic, Alex, Mancienne and Riccy. A similar argument about Lampard could have started had he not been pumpingthose 20 goals in the last 2 seasons, had he constantly remained injured. But Lampard is Fit as Fuck and has been Superb on the field. Cant say the same about JT. One good performance in 5 matches isnt enough to warrant a 130,000 pound per week pay check. Edited February 22, 2009 by warnie_666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Cee 50 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 But we signed Cech when we had cash to burn. That's not the situation now, if we sold Terry we'd need to buy a defender who is big. You bring up United, but when they've sold big players they've always replaced them with big players. When they sold Andy Cole they replaced him with RvN, Stam with Rio and Beckham with Ronaldo. They spent a lot of money on those replacements, which we wouldn't be able to do. I don't think so. How big were C. Ronaldo and Vidic when they first arrived? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott 7 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I don't think so. How big were C. Ronaldo and Vidic when they first arrived? Both were very highly regarded footballers with lots of potential, and Ferguson has got the best out of both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikno 1 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I don't think so. How big were C. Ronaldo and Vidic when they first arrived? Yes but Vidic wasn't bought to replace anyone, just to strengthen the squad. The fact that he was so good was just brilliance on Fergie's part. And as for Ronaldo, why would United sign an 18 year old for £13m and give him the number 7 shirt? Every big team in the world had scouts on him and he was destinted to be world class. Remember this was before prices on players inflated so this was a lot at the time, you just wouldn't pay that much for an "unknown" player at that age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Cee 50 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Yeah, well, they still weren't the big players they are now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SempreJuve 62 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 for everyone who is saying think of the money and crap like that what about the core values of a team? to make a winning team it takes much more than money it takes players that play for the shirt and not for the cash. whoever you would buy from the money from selling J.T. would most likely be a mercenary a player that comes for the money. why not sell other money grabbers isntead??? why sell a player that brings something no one else to the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Cee 50 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 for everyone who is saying think of the money and crap like that what about the core values of a team? to make a winning team it takes much more than money it takes players that play for the shirt and not for the cash. whoever you would buy from the money from selling J.T. would most likely be a mercenary a player that comes for the money. why not sell other money grabbers isntead??? why sell a player that brings something no one else to the club? Depends on who we buy. If we buy someone young with a lot of potential but isn't a big star yet, then no, he wouldn't be a money-grabber. At least not completely as he still has a lot to prove/achieve at the highest level... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SempreJuve 62 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Depends on who we buy. If we buy someone young with a lot of potential but isn't a big star yet, then no, he wouldn't be a money-grabber. At least not completely as he still has a lot to prove/achieve at the highest level... yes but why sell a player from which you get so much??? players that play for the shirt a few and far my friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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