Moussa Dembele

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25 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I’m talking about Karamoko. He’ll be 15 in February. Genius level ability.

 

Been there done that, remember Islam Feruz? 

Looking good in Scottish youth football is not exactly hard, even then sure he’s a talented kid to a degree but genius level ability is a stretch too far for me and I think for any 15 y/o bar maybe the odd rare cases.

There are lots of guys in PL u23 and u18s who are a lot more talented. Mentioning Feruz, I’m actually surprised because he’s turned out a huge disappointment, he’d of played at Celtic and made the grade there and go on to bigger things but coming here along with changing his agent killed his career. 

Hopefully Karamoko Dembele isn’t stupid enough to leave to play 2 or 3 seasons with the u23s and never be heard of again like Feruz was. The big fuss with Dembele is he is playing with u18s or u19s when he is 15 but honestly in all probability in Scotland, Celtic have the best youth teams, the best coaches, the most financial resources yet they have really only produced two players in the last 7 years in Forrest and Tierney, who have gone on to play regularly which shows Youth football means absolutely nothing because the level is nowhere near top flight in Britain.

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Is this guy that much better than Tammy?

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33 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

 

Been there done that, remember Islam Feruz? 

Looking good in Scottish youth football is not exactly hard, even then sure he’s a talented kid to a degree but genius level ability is a stretch too far for me and I think for any 15 y/o bar maybe the odd rare cases.

There are lots of guys in PL u23 and u18s who are a lot more talented. Mentioning Feruz, I’m actually surprised because he’s turned out a huge disappointment, he’d of played at Celtic and made the grade there and go on to bigger things but coming here along with changing his agent killed his career. 

Hopefully Karamoko Dembele isn’t stupid enough to leave to play 2 or 3 seasons with the u23s and never be heard of again like Feruz was. The big fuss with Dembele is he is playing with u18s or u19s when he is 15 but honestly in all probability in Scotland, Celtic have the best youth teams, the best coaches, the most financial resources yet they have really only produced two players in the last 7 years in Forrest and Tierney, who have gone on to play regularly which shows Youth football means absolutely nothing because the level is nowhere near top flight in Britain.

I don't even know why we still have Feruz on our books. Not sure how true the rumour was but a lot of Scottish people were saying Feruz was a lot older than reported and maybe this was something that showed in his development if true. Feruz was way too big-headed also and easily distracted. He has only himself to blame.

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

 

Been there done that, remember Islam Feruz? 

Looking good in Scottish youth football is not exactly hard, even then sure he’s a talented kid to a degree but genius level ability is a stretch too far for me and I think for any 15 y/o bar maybe the odd rare cases.

There are lots of guys in PL u23 and u18s who are a lot more talented. Mentioning Feruz, I’m actually surprised because he’s turned out a huge disappointment, he’d of played at Celtic and made the grade there and go on to bigger things but coming here along with changing his agent killed his career. 

Hopefully Karamoko Dembele isn’t stupid enough to leave to play 2 or 3 seasons with the u23s and never be heard of again like Feruz was. The big fuss with Dembele is he is playing with u18s or u19s when he is 15 but honestly in all probability in Scotland, Celtic have the best youth teams, the best coaches, the most financial resources yet they have really only produced two players in the last 7 years in Forrest and Tierney, who have gone on to play regularly which shows Youth football means absolutely nothing because the level is nowhere near top flight in Britain.

You mean the player about whom I said, within 20 minutes of kick-off in the first game I saw him play for the youth team, that he was crap, and that whoever recruited him should be seriously questioned? I once had a post deleted and was threatened with a ban from WAGNH for saying what I am about to say now, but I don't think the people around here are as insecure about themselves as the person who reacted so strongly to the comment on that occasion. Anyone who watched Feruz and thought he was a good player, knows less about football than they think they do.

Celtc's younger Dembele on the other hand is outstanding. There is no comparison whatsoever between him and Feruz. Take the two to a pitch, station each of them alone in one half, i.e. eliminate any question about the quality of the opposition, have coaches play a variety of deliveries to them both and, within 5 minutes, it will be clear which is a genuine article.

The world's top clubs will be queuing up for Karamoko Dembele. Indeed, if we only knew it, they already are.

By the way, I believe Dembele is currently 14, not 15.

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11 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

You mean the player about whom I said, within 20 minutes of kick-off in the first game I saw him play for the youth team, that he was crap, and that whoever recruited him should be seriously questioned? I once had a post deleted and was threatened with a ban from WAGNH for saying what I am about to say now, but I don't think the people around here are as insecure about themselves as the person who reacted so strongly to the comment on that occasion. Anyone who watched Feruz and thought he was a good player, knows less about football than they think they do.

Celtc's younger Dembele on the other hand is outstanding. There is no comparison whatsoever between him and Feruz. Take the two to a pitch, station each of them alone in one half, i.e. eliminate any question about the quality of the opposition, have coaches play a variety of deliveries to them both and, within 5 minutes, it will be clear which is a genuine article.

The world's top clubs will be queuing up for Karamoko Dembele. Indeed, if we only knew it, they already are.

By the way, I believe Dembele is currently 14, not 15.

Actually I’d say both look very a similar level or from Feruz’s time at Celtic, I’d say they are about the same. Feruz started okay here with the youth team but just wasted himself after that and killed his career even more than he had done moving here. I doubt he will turn out half as good as Kieran Tierney for instance who is the best talent any Scottish team has produced in god knows no how long and he wasn’t even particularly highly sought after at youth level. Not saying he won’t be a good player but for a 15 y/o he is already getting Celtic, Scotland and many other fans overly excited, more than they should be.

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2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Actually I’d say both look very a similar level or from Feruz’s time at Celtic, I’d say they are about the same. Feruz started okay here with the youth team but just wasted himself after that and killed his career even more than he had done moving here. I doubt he will turn out half as good as Kieran Tierney for instance who is the best talent any Scottish team has produced in god knows no how long and he wasn’t even particularly highly sought after at youth level. Not saying he won’t be a good player but for a 15 y/o he is already getting Celtic, Scotland and many other fans overly excited, more than they should be.

OK, we are clearly stuck with different points of view here so before responding to the meat of your post, may I try to clear up our factual disparity? Wikipedia says Dembele was born in February 2003. That would make him 14 currently. Is this a Wiki error, or are you just being approximate when you say he is 15?

Who says Islam did OK at first? Personally I never once saw him play well for our development sides and I watch way more youth football than most around here. Although I accept that two people can see the same performance and assess it differently, my suspicion is that many people’s good impression of Feruz came from reading that he had scored some goals, not from actually watching him play.

I never saw videos of Feruz playing youth games in Scotland so I can’t comment on the comparison you make between his apparent level then and Dembele’s now. It’s impossible for me to believe you can be right however. Dembele’s videos demonstrate fabulous touch, incredible body control, wonderful dribbling technique, tremendous weight of pass, uncoachable awareness of space and a mature understanding of when to move the ball and when to carry it. Feruz has none of that so, while he may have been effective against weaker opposition, he simply could never have looked as good doing it as Dembele does. Put any 20 year old on a pitch full of junior school kids and he will score a load of goals but will he necessarily look like a great player while doing so? There is a difference between finite quality and simply being able to outperform your opponents. Karamoko Dembele is an extremely high quality footballer while Islam Feruz was not one, is not one, and never could have looked like one.

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Celtic have accepted Moussa Dembele is eyeing up a move away, admits assistant manager Chris Davies, who says there have been no firm bids for the striker. (Daily Record)

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On 12/27/2017 at 10:16 PM, Unionjack said:

Is this guy that much better than Tammy?

easily , much more dynamic and physical and has a brutal shot

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2 hours ago, lucio said:

easily , much more dynamic and physical and has a brutal shot

I would disagree in all fairness.

The SPL (think its improving gradually) in terms of quality is probably less than the championship. Dembele is a good prospect but again overrated. 500K was a steal for Celtic because of the whole rule difference for signing u21 players in Scotland, then his age, he'll always improve, make a profit for them but honestly Tammy scored 20 odd goals in a worse Championship side, in his first season of senior football, than Dembele who only scored 14 or 15 for Fulham the season before his move to Celtic. He uses his body better I feel but Tammy has shown at Swansea he isn't necessarily a target man for instance, hes able to play with his back to goal but he likes running in behind teams more often than not, he has real pace for a big guy, hes like 6 ft 4 or something so looks awkward but he can shift. Again, mentioned it in another post in here, I think Dembele hasn't been in Celtic team regularly this year due to injuries, loss of form, consistency issues and that may have hindered his stats but even his performances when hes played haven't mirrored anything close to last season. I watched the Celtic-Motherwell cup final a while back and he was incredibly poor. He scored a penalty I think but his general performance was nothing like he had shown last year in the SPL or even in the CL in some games. 

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56 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I would disagree in all fairness.

The SPL (think its improving gradually) in terms of quality is probably less than the championship. Dembele is a good prospect but again overrated. 500K was a steal for Celtic because of the whole rule difference for signing u21 players in Scotland, then his age, he'll always improve, make a profit for them but honestly Tammy scored 20 odd goals in a worse Championship side, in his first season of senior football, than Dembele who only scored 14 or 15 for Fulham the season before his move to Celtic. He uses his body better I feel but Tammy has shown at Swansea he isn't necessarily a target man for instance, hes able to play with his back to goal but he likes running in behind teams more often than not, he has real pace for a big guy, hes like 6 ft 4 or something so looks awkward but he can shift. Again, mentioned it in another post in here, I think Dembele hasn't been in Celtic team regularly this year due to injuries, loss of form, consistency issues and that may have hindered his stats but even his performances when hes played haven't mirrored anything close to last season. I watched the Celtic-Motherwell cup final a while back and he was incredibly poor. He scored a penalty I think but his general performance was nothing like he had shown last year in the SPL or even in the CL in some games. 

Yeah. Even Scott Sinclair scored 20+ goals for Celtic in a season.

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1 hour ago, nyikolajevics said:

Yeah. Even Scott Sinclair scored 20+ goals for Celtic in a season.

its more the quality of the goals, and the overall danger posed, dembele was coming in with scissor kicks, shots from tight angles in the old firm last season , sinclair just scores rubbish goals vs dundee and co