Moussa Dembele

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2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Actually I’d say both look very a similar level or from Feruz’s time at Celtic, I’d say they are about the same. Feruz started okay here with the youth team but just wasted himself after that and killed his career even more than he had done moving here. I doubt he will turn out half as good as Kieran Tierney for instance who is the best talent any Scottish team has produced in god knows no how long and he wasn’t even particularly highly sought after at youth level. Not saying he won’t be a good player but for a 15 y/o he is already getting Celtic, Scotland and many other fans overly excited, more than they should be.

OK, we are clearly stuck with different points of view here so before responding to the meat of your post, may I try to clear up our factual disparity? Wikipedia says Dembele was born in February 2003. That would make him 14 currently. Is this a Wiki error, or are you just being approximate when you say he is 15?

Who says Islam did OK at first? Personally I never once saw him play well for our development sides and I watch way more youth football than most around here. Although I accept that two people can see the same performance and assess it differently, my suspicion is that many people’s good impression of Feruz came from reading that he had scored some goals, not from actually watching him play.

I never saw videos of Feruz playing youth games in Scotland so I can’t comment on the comparison you make between his apparent level then and Dembele’s now. It’s impossible for me to believe you can be right however. Dembele’s videos demonstrate fabulous touch, incredible body control, wonderful dribbling technique, tremendous weight of pass, uncoachable awareness of space and a mature understanding of when to move the ball and when to carry it. Feruz has none of that so, while he may have been effective against weaker opposition, he simply could never have looked as good doing it as Dembele does. Put any 20 year old on a pitch full of junior school kids and he will score a load of goals but will he necessarily look like a great player while doing so? There is a difference between finite quality and simply being able to outperform your opponents. Karamoko Dembele is an extremely high quality footballer while Islam Feruz was not one, is not one, and never could have looked like one.

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Celtic have accepted Moussa Dembele is eyeing up a move away, admits assistant manager Chris Davies, who says there have been no firm bids for the striker. (Daily Record)

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On 12/27/2017 at 10:16 PM, Unionjack said:

Is this guy that much better than Tammy?

easily , much more dynamic and physical and has a brutal shot

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2 hours ago, lucio said:

easily , much more dynamic and physical and has a brutal shot

I would disagree in all fairness.

The SPL (think its improving gradually) in terms of quality is probably less than the championship. Dembele is a good prospect but again overrated. 500K was a steal for Celtic because of the whole rule difference for signing u21 players in Scotland, then his age, he'll always improve, make a profit for them but honestly Tammy scored 20 odd goals in a worse Championship side, in his first season of senior football, than Dembele who only scored 14 or 15 for Fulham the season before his move to Celtic. He uses his body better I feel but Tammy has shown at Swansea he isn't necessarily a target man for instance, hes able to play with his back to goal but he likes running in behind teams more often than not, he has real pace for a big guy, hes like 6 ft 4 or something so looks awkward but he can shift. Again, mentioned it in another post in here, I think Dembele hasn't been in Celtic team regularly this year due to injuries, loss of form, consistency issues and that may have hindered his stats but even his performances when hes played haven't mirrored anything close to last season. I watched the Celtic-Motherwell cup final a while back and he was incredibly poor. He scored a penalty I think but his general performance was nothing like he had shown last year in the SPL or even in the CL in some games. 

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56 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I would disagree in all fairness.

The SPL (think its improving gradually) in terms of quality is probably less than the championship. Dembele is a good prospect but again overrated. 500K was a steal for Celtic because of the whole rule difference for signing u21 players in Scotland, then his age, he'll always improve, make a profit for them but honestly Tammy scored 20 odd goals in a worse Championship side, in his first season of senior football, than Dembele who only scored 14 or 15 for Fulham the season before his move to Celtic. He uses his body better I feel but Tammy has shown at Swansea he isn't necessarily a target man for instance, hes able to play with his back to goal but he likes running in behind teams more often than not, he has real pace for a big guy, hes like 6 ft 4 or something so looks awkward but he can shift. Again, mentioned it in another post in here, I think Dembele hasn't been in Celtic team regularly this year due to injuries, loss of form, consistency issues and that may have hindered his stats but even his performances when hes played haven't mirrored anything close to last season. I watched the Celtic-Motherwell cup final a while back and he was incredibly poor. He scored a penalty I think but his general performance was nothing like he had shown last year in the SPL or even in the CL in some games. 

Yeah. Even Scott Sinclair scored 20+ goals for Celtic in a season.

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1 hour ago, nyikolajevics said:

Yeah. Even Scott Sinclair scored 20+ goals for Celtic in a season.

its more the quality of the goals, and the overall danger posed, dembele was coming in with scissor kicks, shots from tight angles in the old firm last season , sinclair just scores rubbish goals vs dundee and co