Mechromancer 262 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Because he one of the most technically gifted players in the earth? Top 5, easy. Top 3 because why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 What is with all the isco hype? He is good player but he is show player not someone you want when you play big team because he does fuck all in those games except for few nice tricks.He's often played at LW and everything else rather than CAM. Plus there's Ronaldo. Isco's amazing. A far better 10 than what we have. iMO. Excluding Willian at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechromancer 262 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 He has more Quality than any other player in our team, tbh, fam. Top tier technique, fantasy and beard. Isco can't be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Isco is pure quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essien19 1,415 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Trying to break Neymar's leg is disgusting.Isco was a nice prospect at Malaga, but has regressed ever since, maybe a change of air will do the boy some good.At least he is better than Coutinho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Trying to break Neymar's leg is disgusting.Isco was a nice prospect at Malaga, but has regressed ever since, maybe a change of air will do the boy some good.At least he is better than Coutinho. That was never a red. Very harsh in my opinion.And during the match there was a moment when he dribbled the ball past 2/3 barca players ran into some more traffic, shielded the ball with around 4 players around him and still was able to retain the ball and pass it on. No one in our team has one-tenth his technical ability except for hazard (obviously).He is a much better player than James but obviously the price tag has defined their places in the first team. Lastly, Madrid has always looked better with him in the team than bale but again, the price tag in the key element here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essien19 1,415 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 That was never a red. Very harsh in my opinion.And during the match there was a moment when he dribbled the ball past 2/3 barca players ran into some more traffic, shielded the ball with around 4 players around him and still was able to retain the ball and pass it on.No one in our team has one-tenth his technical ability except for hazard (obviously).He is a much better player than James but obviously the price tag has defined their places in the first team. Lastly, Madrid has always looked better with him in the team than bale but again, the price tag in the key element hereFor me Isco had lost control and the kick was absolutely unnecessary, the ball was long gone.You see it differently, so be it.Isco has his qualities, he is one of the best dribblers in the game and sometimes an absolute joy to watch.For such a talented player he is working hard and not afraid of putting in a defensive shift. Good on him!In my point of view, he often slows the play down, instead of passing he chooses the dribbling,his releasing of the ball is often too slow and so on.For me, James is the better player, he is more intelligent and really efficient in front of the goal, he definitely knows what he's doing.Have you seen those shots against Barca? They were extremely dangerous, masterclass saves from their goalie.James operates more vertically, excellent passes and never gives up.Poor decision from Benitez to subb him off, he clearly doesn't rate him, shocking!Agree to disagree, sorry mate.Apart from this, good to have you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 @didierforever, unfortunately for us Benetiz actually plays him more now. Under Carlo he even complained openly to the press at his lack of game-time, there would have been a real opportunity for him to leave this summer if Carlo had stayed and continued to leave him on the bench.I'm a big fan of Isco, and what you described is exactly what we need. Ball retention. He has a tendency to run himself into needless trouble at times, and dwell on the ball far too long, but those are criticisms that can be worked on and I'd gladly deal with as Chelsea fan over what we have at the moment. Only Hazard and Willian, (and Matic aswell) have great ball retention in Midfield. Oscar gets blown off the ball farr too much, Pedro same. Costa the same.We truly just need a new #10. One who has great ball-retention and one that can be trusted in big games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechromancer 262 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 In my point of view, he often slows the play down, instead of passing he chooses the dribbling, his releasing of the ball is often too slow and so on.This meme really needs to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 That was never a red. Very harsh in my opinion.And during the match there was a moment when he dribbled the ball past 2/3 barca players ran into some more traffic, shielded the ball with around 4 players around him and still was able to retain the ball and pass it on.No one in our team has one-tenth his technical ability except for hazard (obviously).He is a much better player than James but obviously the price tag has defined their places in the first team. Lastly, Madrid has always looked better with him in the team than bale but again, the price tag in the key element hereI wasn't going to but I'm sorry I could not not to react. Isco better than James? Much better? You sir, are what they call bat**** crazy.I was among those saying 'typical Real, buy a new hot player when you already have a top talent in his position'. As a fan of Isco I was saddened by the fact he was not going to get a chance. But James has performed from day one. I didn't want to admit it after the first few months but I was only fooling myself. James has performed at a level Isco has never reached (for a sustained period). Not at Malaga, not at Real, not for Spain.James is world-class, seriously. Isco is still a prospect, he's far too limited to be considered a top player. His ability to hold the ball in the most impossible situations is superb but that's one aspect. He doesn't offer enough yet. Technically he's fantastic but tactically he still has so much to learn. His positional sense is far from good enough. James blows him away in this. That's why Isco can go hiding for long periods or fails to impose himself and provide consistent match-winning contributions.He beats Isco in every aspect really. Isco's ball control is better but your talking about fine margins as James' ball control is excellent as well. Isco is the superior dribbler, no contest. But it stops there. James' passing, shooting technique, finishing (he scores the most breathtaking goals btw), crossing, shot from range, set-piece delivery and free-kicks are all areas in which he beats Isco with ease.James has a really good engine, high work rate (for an attacking player) and possesses good upper body strength. Isco is still a bit lacking in these areas. They both aren't the quickest players and don't offer much when it comes to physical duels.But these are the key areas that sets the two apart. I already mentioned sense of space. No comparison here. Isco just floats around for the most part, isn't adapt at knowing where to move at which time. It's not good. Ozil is a master in this (mentioning him as the former Real #10). James the same but more aggressive towards goal.And then there's the speed of thought. James is lightening. You play him the ball anywhere and he knows exactly where his team mates are and which one to play the ball too. He'll spot a runner looking for a through ball or someone moving into a good position and play the ball with great speed. He does everything with purpose, to open up defences, to find a way to goal. A really intelligent player.This is probably Isco's biggest weakness. He's still too slow. Plain and simple. Not slow in general but the vision of a Real Madrid #10 isn't there yet. He'll always be that 'extremely talented guy waiting for his big breakthrough' if he doesn't manage to up the tempo and play smarter.Again, Isco's ball retention in any kind of situation is ridiculous. But there are two sides to that coin. He gets into those situations because of his own doing. James is rarely surrounded. He's clever enough not to get into such predicaments. But James' ball retention is class as well. His ball control is very tight, his feet are quick and he shifts the ball away from opponents with complete ease. He too has his wow moments on the ball but he takes less touches.Mentally again, not close. Consistency wise the two aren't even in the same galaxy. James is a weekly performer and one of the stars. Isco is hot and cold. James does a much better job at providing match-winning moments. Leading man for his country, carries the team. All the different kinds of pressure don't seem to get to him. €45 mil move to Monaco? No problem. First World Cup? No problem. Joining the Real Circus? No problem. €80 mil price tag on your head? No problem. Out injured for a while? He just bounces back. Immediately Real's best player in his sub appareance vs Sevilla, grabs a goal with Real 3-1 down. Another class goal. I don't know how he does it. Probably crafted by the same football god who created Zlatan.Isco is still the Spanish golden child. He joined Real with a lot expectations and was supposed to overtake Iniesta or Silva for Spain. But we're still waiting for him to fully bloom.This is why I didn't want to react. I apologise for the novel but there was no other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essien19 1,415 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 ...One of the best post's i have read so far in this forum. In the next polling for the guy with the best football knowledge you Sir are my man. [emoji4] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Alex Teixeira is worth the gamble but not at £30m tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 He has more Quality than any other player in our team, tbh, fam. Top tier technique, fantasy and beard. Isco can't be better.Tricks and flicks dont bring you trophies. Or even victories. It doesnt take to watch too many games of Real to realise Isco while is good player, he doesnt have something called efficiency. He doesnt bring difference to the game. He aint game changer. Thats the reason I dont know whats with all the hype. Thats why James is first choice. Did Isco ever actualy pulled strings for Real? Won them big game? Like Suarez or Neymar do every game for barca? Isco, Pogba, Gotze are merely a youtube players. Lots of hype from everywhere but they havent done shit in their career to demand these crazy numbers and hypes. Lots of tricks, lots of skill but they dont actualy have the role of leader and difference maker. They dont improve their team to next level. Neymar does. I can see why Neymar gets all the hype. He actualy does stuff. Isco? Good trick here and there but when you are tied and play big team, he wont get you out of trouble. For all the shit he gets, Bale is the more efficient man when on form. In another example he is the same type of character as Cesc. Only different skillset, but impact in game is the same.Yeah Isco has brilliant technique, but I much rather have someone in mould of Lamps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 He's often played at LW and everything else rather than CAM. Plus there's Ronaldo. Isco's amazing. A far better 10 than what we have. iMO. Excluding Willian at 10.Considering there is no chelsea type number #10 (someone who could score, assist and at same time provide good workrate on consistant basis), we should just move to 4:3:3 with DM, b2b and AM. Would suit us better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechromancer 262 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Actually, Isco improved a lot in those areas like anyone can see in his match against PSG, I believe. And obviously he's a TOP player. Even If you think that he's not more important or better than his partners in Madrid. I mean, Real have the best of the best in his natural position. The impressive thing about it is that he's still a part of a team who can buy practically any other player and he actually plays with some regularity.Who doesn't want a player with his european experience and his ability to change any game with an unique trick? That is the real question. Isco can fit in any elite team because he's really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechromancer 262 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Did Isco ever actualy pulled strings for Real?Yeah, you can see his performance against PSG. That shitty squad who subjugated our team in the Champions playoffs. With ten men, don't forget that.He less impressive than Neymar. Yeah, that looks okay, he's the best of the Elite, after all. My Porsche Carrera is not shit because in the world you can see sport cars like the Pagani Huayra or the LaFerrari. And obviously, in some circumstances my Porsche is better. Maybe in some tricky circuit like the Circuit de Monaco.PD: I don't have a Porsche, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,985 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Can you guys bum Isco in the Isco thread please. I want to hear how good this Alex Tiexrriridiia guy is! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 This meme really needs to stop.Isco is a meme player.Everything is a meme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Isco is a meme player.Everything is a meme.Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Considering there is no chelsea type number #10 (someone who could score, assist and at same time provide good workrate on consistant basis), we should just move to 4:3:3 with DM, b2b and AM. Would suit us better.I completely agree. Which is why I am moaning about playing Ruben next to Cesc and Matic. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen so an Isco at #10 would be ideal for me. I wouldn't say NO to Teixeira also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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