The Mourinho Thread

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Absolutely. No stupid experiments - Scolari and AVB failed miserably. Bring a winner in who the players will respect yet be fearful of.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 10:15, Alex said:

Absolutely. No stupid experiments - Scolari and AVB failed miserably. Bring a winner in who the players will respect yet be fearful of.

When we say we need a manager who the players will respect yet be fearful of, are we talking about any players other than Frank Lampard, John Terry and maybe Ashley Cole?

I fear that we're looking at this problem for the wrong direction - when you have a massive tumour growing in your stomach, you don't buy bigger trousers to fit better....you excise the tumour.

I also don't think there's a player in existence who isn't respectful of Michael Laudrup. He's Michael Laudrup. Do I think he'd be a good choice? I'm not sure. That Swansea job seems to attract intelligent managers who have a good regard for the game and he seems to have continued that tradition. He's articulate, he's certainly learned his trade and he seems ready for the next step.

He'd certainly be a risk, but the Mourinho appointment is risky too. We sing 'We Want Mourinho' but we don't quite want the same Mourino. We want him to play a slightly different brand of football to last time, with different types of players, with different amounts of money to spend and hopefully a different relationship with ownership/the board. I have the same feeling that every other fan seems to have, that he just feels right as Chelsea manager but nostalgia can sometimes blind people to the reality of a situation (and I'm aware he offers more than nostalgia because he's a world class manager).

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  On 28/03/2013 at 12:33, The only place to be said:

When we say we need a manager who the players will respect yet be fearful of, are we talking about any players other than Frank Lampard, John Terry and maybe Ashley Cole?

I fear that we're looking at this problem for the wrong direction - when you have a massive tumour growing in your stomach, you don't buy bigger trousers to fit better....you excise the tumour.

I also don't think there's a player in existence who isn't respectful of Michael Laudrup. He's Michael Laudrup. Do I think he'd be a good choice? I'm not sure. That Swansea job seems to attract intelligent managers who have a good regard for the game and he seems to have continued that tradition. He's articulate, he's certainly learned his trade and he seems ready for the next step.

He'd certainly be a risk, but the Mourinho appointment is risky too. We sing 'We Want Mourinho' but we don't quite want the same Mourino. We want him to play a slightly different brand of football to last time, with different types of players, with different amounts of money to spend and hopefully a different relationship with ownership/the board. I have the same feeling that every other fan seems to have, that he just feels right as Chelsea manager but nostalgia can sometimes blind people to the reality of a situation (and I'm aware he offers more than nostalgia because he's a world class manager).

What's wrong with José Mourinho style of play ?

Seriously I can't understand why bringing back José is risky, he won everywhere with different type of : football, mentalities, players, environment, he had to manage big egos, big talent, small talent, big personalities, different culture of play, against defensive teams, offensive teams, against greatest managers, players and still won, so, why could he fail where he probably belongs and where he'll have all the time to make us Champions of Europe again ? Why ? Why? I see no point of him failing here with these types of players, If Rafa could win games, José could win titles.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 12:40, BlueArmy said:

What's wrong with José Mourinho style of play ?

Seriously I can't understand why bringing back José is risky, he won everywhere with different type of : football, mentalities, players, environment, he had to manage big egos, big talent, small talent, big personalities, different culture of play, against defensive teams, offensive teams, against greatest managers, players and still won, so, why could he fail where he probably belongs and where he'll have all the time to make us Champions of Europe again ? Why ? Why? I see no point of him failing here with these types of players, If Rafa could win games, José could win titles.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, but it's different to what we've been working towards for two years and the personnel we have might not be conducive to what he wants to play - we simply don't know yet.

As for why it's risky, any appointment or signing is risky. But there's history here and that needs to be acknowledged and I couldn't give a flying fuck how many Ferraris and watches Roman sends him. It's very easy to bring up old disagreements the first time you have an argument after getting back together with someone.

And if Rafa can win games, there are other managers in the world who can win titles. Jose isn't the only manager who can take great players and a lot of money and win titles.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 12:45, The only place to be said:

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, but it's different to what we've been working towards for two years and the personnel we have might not be conducive to what he wants to play - we simply don't know yet.

As for why it's risky, any appointment or signing is risky. But there's history here and that needs to be acknowledged and I couldn't give a flying fuck how many Ferraris and watches Roman sends him. It's very easy to bring up old disagreements the first time you have an argument after getting back together with someone.

And if Rafa can win games, there are other managers in the world who can win titles. Jose isn't the only manager who can take great players and a lot of money and win titles.

I think most of us here are very sentimental towards Jose, since he is the manager that lasted the longest under Roman and have won it all with us. Except the CL.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 12:45, The only place to be said:

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, but it's different to what we've been working towards for two years and the personnel we have might not be conducive to what he wants to play - we simply don't know yet.

As for why it's risky, any appointment or signing is risky. But there's history here and that needs to be acknowledged and I couldn't give a flying fuck how many Ferraris and watches Roman sends him. It's very easy to bring up old disagreements the first time you have an argument after getting back together with someone.

And if Rafa can win games, there are other managers in the world who can win titles. Jose isn't the only manager who can take great players and a lot of money and win titles.

"what we've been working towards for two years and the personnel we have might not be conducive to what he wants to play"

Since the departure of Deco, Ballack, Carvalho and all these players, our style of play is shit compared to others, Carlo was sacked because he finished second, under AVB, six month and he is fired, lets bring the saviour with his defensive style and change the mentality again, after four month, sacked, how could you say that in two years we've produced any type of football or we're working in a direction ? We're just trying to avoid the humiliation, our transfer policy is to bring youth and let them do the rest, that's why we finished sixth last year.

And José will only fix our problem in midfield, and defence, with another striker, we could dominate the league again.The team is good.

Mourinho is risky because he worked with Roman ? Maybe its true, I would say there are 5% chance to see José fired after six month, no, I would say 2%.He brings results, results are the most important thing in Football, if Roman has results, he'll be happy, We'll be Happy, José wil be happy, my cat will be happy and everything will go well for us, and with this team, I have no doubts, you cant stop Mata, Hazard and co, they are too good.

"there are other managers in the world who can win titles"

Of course, but lets be realistic, now, who could win us titles next year and manage us for a time ? Who is available ?

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  On 28/03/2013 at 12:55, BlueArmy said:

"what we've been working towards for two years and the personnel we have might not be conducive to what he wants to play"

Since the departure of Deco, Ballack, Carvalho and all these players, our style of play is shit compared to others, Carlo was sacked because he finished second, under AVB, six month and he is fired, lets bring the saviour with his defensive style and change the mentality again, after four month, sacked, how could you say that in two years we've produced any type of football or we're working in a direction ? We're just trying to avoid the humiliation, our transfer policy is to bring youth and let them do the rest, that's why we finished sixth last year.

Our problems have been long in the making and we've been looking to move to a more sustainable form of success for the last couple of years. That is something Jose has to continue.

Don't call him the saviour either - it's cringeworthy.

  On 28/03/2013 at 12:55, BlueArmy said:

And José will only fix our problem in midfield, and defence, with another striker, we could dominate the league again.The team is good.

Which is why he isn't the only coach in the world who can lead us to success.

  On 28/03/2013 at 12:55, BlueArmy said:

Mourinho is risky because he worked with Roman ?

Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

  On 28/03/2013 at 12:55, BlueArmy said:

Maybe its true, I would say there are 5% chance to see José fired after six month, no, I would say 2%.

There's a 99% chance you're just pulling percentages out of your arse.

  On 28/03/2013 at 12:55, BlueArmy said:

He brings results, results are the most important thing in Football, if Roman has results, he'll be happy, We'll be Happy, José wil be happy, my cat will be happy and everything will go well for us, and with this team, I have no doubts, you cant stop Mata, Hazard and co, they are too good

Put your cat on - let's hear what it thinks.

  On 28/03/2013 at 12:55, BlueArmy said:

"there are other managers in the world who can win titles"

Of course, but lets be realistic, now, who could win us titles next year and manage us for a time ? Who is available ?

That's the problem. Anyone else, be it Laudrup, Poyet, Simeone etc. would be a risk, but this appointment isn't without it's own risks. People are putting a lot of pressure on Mourinho before he's even appointed and it doesn't help the club. People like you are only setting yourself up for disappointment and it's fucking cringeworthy seeing 'fans' of this club thinking that everything will be okay if Jose comes home. There are a lot of questions and a lot of things to overcome in terms of personal relationships, approach to management and simply appointing the guy.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 13:27, The only place to be said:

Our problems have been long in the making and we've been looking to move to a more sustainable form of success for the last couple of years. That is something Jose has to continue.

Don't call him the saviour either - it's cringeworthy : He won us two titles after a shocking season, he saved us.

Which is why he isn't the only coach in the world who can lead us to success : Obviously, no manager now could lead us to success.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. : I answered to your idea.

There's a 99% chance you're just pulling percentages out of your arse : Of course, it is.

Put your cat on - let's hear what it thinks : I don't have a cat, and chill, thank you.

That's the problem. Anyone else, be it Laudrup, Poyet, Simeone etc. would be a risk, but this appointment isn't without it's own risks. People are putting a lot of pressure on Mourinho before he's even appointed and it doesn't help the club. People like you are only setting yourself up for disappointment and it's fucking cringeworthy seeing 'fans' of this club thinking that everything will be okay if Jose comes home. There are a lot of questions and a lot of things to overcome in terms of personal relationships, approach to management and simply appointing the guy. : I'm not putting pressure on José, I just trust him more than any other manager now, I have the full confidence if he comes back we'll win again, nothing more, nothing less.If Poyet, Simeone or any one comes I hope he'll succed, I hope every manager who comes will succeed, but I just dont trust them as much as José, and since he may be available in the summer, i'll do the maximum to convince people that he is the right man.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 13:38, BlueArmy said:

i'll do the maximum to convince people that he is the right man.

Don't. You can't. Let him have time to prove it because that's the only way can know.

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In an ideal world Mourinho would come back as would Peter Kenyon with the dismissal of Gourlay and/or Buck with a suitable replacement being brought in to replace the latter.

I also want Hiddink back on board in some form, perhaps as DoF if we must have one, but that won't be happening, will it?

Back to Football Manager to fulfil my fantasies I go..

[bushman 2,043]

Should anyone ever doubt Jose ?

I do not think so. Currently, the best manager there is, I feel. Well liked among the players & respected too.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 13:38, BlueArmy said:

...and since he may be available in the summer, i'll do the maximum to convince people that he is the right man.

C

If you insist on doing that, could you at least tone it down it a bit?! Some of your posts in this thread are just cringeworthy and embarrassing and lets face it, you'll have fuck all influence on what actually happens.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 14:30, gr123 said:

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If you insist on doing that, could you at least tone it down it a bit?! Some of your posts in this thread are just cringeworthy and embarrassing and lets face it, you'll have fuck all influence on what actually happens.

Thank you for your opinion about me & my contribution to this thread, If you want an autograph, I can send you one.I'm only sharing ideas with mister TOPTB and I respected him, and he respected me, you, talked to say nothing.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 14:26, Leif said:

In an ideal world Mourinho would come back as would Peter Kenyon with the dismissal of Gourlay and/or Buck with a suitable replacement being brought in to replace the latter.

I also want Hiddink back on board in some form, perhaps as DoF if we must have one, but that won't be happening, will it?

Back to Football Manager to fulfil my fantasies I go..

Why do you want Kenyon back?

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  On 28/03/2013 at 14:34, BlueArmy said:

Thank you for your opinion about me & my contribution to this thread, If you want an autograph, I can send you one.I'm only sharing ideas with mister TOPTB and I respected him, and he respected me, you, talked to say nothing.

You are around 13 years old aren't you? Surely? Grow up.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 14:52, gr123 said:

You are around 13 years old aren't you? Surely? Grow up.

If you dont like my posts, tell me where i'm wrong, I will listen you carefully, and we'll share opinions and ideas as adult, If you want to talk about me, its off topic first, and secondly, you can use personal message if there are any problems.Thank you for your understanding sir.

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  On 28/03/2013 at 14:45, The only place to be said:

Why do you want Kenyon back?

I mention him because he has a better track record compared to Gourlay and is actually a semi-realistic option. Although they perform slightly different roles, I felt as if he actually understood football unlike the hacks on the board at the moment. He's also apparently the man responsible for tapping up our greatest ever left-back which deserves a huge amount of credit on it's own.

He also (again, 'apparently') was the man who persuaded Sir. Alex Ferguson to not retire back in '02. This was a man of negotiations, stability & fine man and money management; while Gourlay (on the surface) seems to show the exact opposite of that.

I'm also somehow positive that the fan of ours which has just been banned for 10 years for calling Rio a 'cunt' would have this issue ironed out with the ban reduce/completely removed if Kenyon was on board. He didn't focus all his time to the football side of things, but he sure did have sense when it came to situations like these.

Gourlay however seems like a thug who doesn't give a shit about any fans.

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As we all, Roman will try to sign Jose & rightfully so.

Whether Jose comes on board none of us know it.

Chelsea should not go for second best. Somewhere, I even read about Zola as another choice.

Most likely, Zola is well liked, will be accepted by many fans. However, is he good enough to coach Chelsea ?

Well, if I may. I doubt Zola is ready to take on Chelsea. Roman wants his Chelsea to play an attractive football & win the top trophies too. Personally, Jose is my choice & I do not see any better around.

I even liked Jose´s idea of getting rid of the two bimbos sitting in the office.

One thing I am not sure about though. Will Roman allow Jose to run the club as he pleases ?