Spike 12,049 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Well don't tell me I put words in your mouth...I don't know who said Villa and I don't care I care about Torres fucking off and a REAL Striker coming in...Fair enough on 'twat' but pissed me off being accused of something I didn't do! I didn't say that you did put words in my mouth I was telling you not to. That's the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I didn't say that you did put words in my mouth I was telling you not to. That's the difference.Quote: Don't put words in my mouth...Past tense Anyway, lets just agree to disagree - wanna watch some streams of games now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCount 146 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Alright, no ones saying Falcao is a one trick pony,But we cant just assume he'll play well with a different system, something that happened to Torres here at chelsea aswell...If the stats say crosses/headers or whatever then thats all we got to go on and since thats all we got to go on ATM with our playing style he's not the right man for the job! If he can adapt then thats great. If he's not were left being laughed at again for a big signing flopping.No one here is trying to right him off just that and dont take this the wrong way if Roman wants to splash the cash, if he's happy, im happy, but no one wants for Chelsea to spend another 40odd million on the wrong man, and it dosent matter who you support.I personaly think Cavani anyway but i'd far prefer if we just adapted to playing more crosses and width. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Quote: Don't put words in my mouth...Past tense Anyway, lets just agree to disagree - wanna watch some streams of games now That's not past tense! However the quote is applicable to all three tenses so its easy to understand the misunderstanding.I'm waiting for the London derby to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCount 146 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 That's not past tense! However the quote is applicable to all three tenses so its easy to understand the misunderstanding.I'm waiting for the London derby to start.Think its the only time im ever gunna be shouting for QPR lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Falcao/Cavani/Lewandowski is a need in January. We are doing very well so far, but with good striker, we would be much better. Torres just cant give anything more to us and we should sell him as long he is worth something.A young prospect CB would also be in place since Terry is not going to play regulary because of cards/injuries or bans, Papadopoulos or Subotic might come cheap enough. And a CM like Bender and we have great team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNKS 508 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 We need a striker who isnt afraid of shooting. Stick Sturridge there for now and see how he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuf 1,448 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 so we bought so many wingers this summer to play with only Hazard/Oscar/Mata? Btw. I bet Hazard can't cross for shit and Falcao scored like 50% of his goals through crosses and we have like 7 less crosses per game so he wouldn't know how to score. I remember his game against us when he scored from those beautiful crosses that happened to fall on his head. Stick with Torres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 And at Porto, Falcao got most crosses from Hulk. If we had Hulk now, Falcao would be just perfect here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Benzema is a twat but yeah, that's the thing: he's the kind of striker needed when you've such goalscoring assets behind him.Benzema and Higuain are world class strikers. The fact they have splitted play time at Madrid which means they dont play regulary and alsohave half less games and still score 25-30 goals each per season says all. In any other club theywould play, they would star. And both are just 24, for fact that world class strikers are usualy old at least 26 nowdays; Rvp, Rooney, Villa, Falcao, Cavani (25), Dzeko,...I dont see why is Higuain so underrated, he is not just poacher, he can play at Rw as well, and his recent goals for Argentina and RM were just stunning. Benzema on other hand works world class if he has another top striker along him, because he oftenly returns in midfield to pick up the ball.But for Chelsea, we need Falcao, Cavani or Lewandovski. Benzema wouldnt fit because he just cant stand in penalty area and keeps going back (a problem he has while playing for France), while Higuin is more proper, but a bit inconsistent. If Falcao is realy that good just because of the crosses, we should go for Cavani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I've that as well: 63% of Falcao's goals from crosses comes from crosses above the knee: 37% aerial ones and 26% hip level.Thanks.It means that there is more goals from hard cross where he cuts in and passes in front of the defenders.That means we don't especially need crosses like Gerrard or DeBruyne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCount 146 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Thanks.It means that there is more goals from hard cross where he cuts in and passes in front of the defenders.That means we don't especially need crosses like Gerrard or DeBruyne.Could of used him for this year tho....This could be a good thing tho, if it forces are wingers wide, i still think if they did that now tho torres would score more or at least get more chances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Could of used him for this year tho....This could be a good thing tho, if it forces are wingers wide, i still think if they did that now tho torres would score more or at least get more chancesyes we could use him but what I mean is that it's not necessary to use Falcao.And for Torres I don't know, he doesn't make good moves inside the box. For me he's a counter-attack forward. Even at Liverpool where he was at his best, Liverpool had difficulties to score against opponents who were sitting deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I think you misunderstoot the figures: 37+26=63... 63 percent of crosses are above the kneeHard crosses can be avove the knee level or at hip level. For me it would means there is a collective move on a side, a run from a player that would then unleash a cross in a zone where Falcao would run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 This is the POINT that everybody is missing!If he is only given crosses to work on then guess what!!! He will only score from crosses...!!!He is a goal scorer from anywhere in and around the 18yd box - just go watch him again, against us.Torres has lost his bottle, rarely shoots, is clumsy and spends most of the game on the floor...Falcao >>> Torres & Dzeko...Dzeko is a poor mans signing...Well in my opinion Dzeko wouldn't have been a poor mans signing, if we had signed him in Janaury 2010 instead of Torres he would have been a perfect sub to come on for Didier/Anelka.Why?Hes able to create his own goals, strong, good in the air, good finisher with both feet and his head, good dribbler, good at shooting outside the box, brilliant hold up play and good link up play with the midfielders. Whereas Falcao is a good finisher with both feet and his head and thats it. For scoring a whole load of headers his ability to win headers and knock it down to his teammates are rather poor than what you'd expect too... he solely relies on his teammates for assists too (who basically give up their own qualities just so he can get chances to score) or defensive errors.Nothing else in that particular list of positives I typed for Dzeko would be in Falcao's list of positives. We need a complete striker to play upfront who can link with the midfielders, provide for them as well as score for himself. Do you think you'll see Falcao coming out of the box to link the play with midfielders this season? I think you'll probably find he won't. Falcao is effectively useless with his back to goal, he isn't too slow turning but has rather weak shooting from outside the box. Falcao is a poacher whereas Dzeko is more complete footballer.Another question would Falcao dominate say big strong defenders like Vidic(before injury), Kompany or Lescott? Probably not. Whereas in 2009 (I think), Dzeko played for Wolfsburg in the CL vs United and absolutely dominated Vidic and Ferdinand.... I think he scored at least once or twice too.. also the Manchester derbys Dzeko has been a consistent performer and coped fairly well against Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans etc. each time.Falcao is ideal for a team to be built around but when you have players like Juan Mata and Fernando Torres... you build the team around them (how Robbie sees it imo) by adding players like Oscar and Hazard who can get the best out of Juan and Fernando as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I'm going to write something on Falcao to Chelsea based on figures, I've the detail of every Falcao goal 11/12 (from a youtube video, yay!)Falcao scores 53% of his goals via crosses, Atletico Madrid uses 25 crosses per game and they're the 3rd best team in La Liga for thatChelsea uses 19 crosses per game and is 18th in the Premier League for that19 crosses is more than enough for a world class forward to net one and lets say for argument sake he was struggling with the service, wouldn't he then adapt this game a little to make sure he will get the goals?He is a hungry player looking to improve all the time, didn't he say a few weeks ago he needed to improve his free kicks? not long later he hits one in the last minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igi26 346 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Dzeko is best Bosnian player since Safet Susic (PSG legend and best foreign player of all time in France). He is perfect player for us, good with both feet, great in air, decent pace, complete striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Are you serious when you say that Falcao could not make problems for Vidic and others.He's not a targetman and I'm not sure we need one. I would prefer an all-around like Cavani or the Falcao would make moves.Ok he doesn't play a lot with his back to goal but we don't need him to do it that often. And I'm sure he's capable of doing an enough good job of it when it's needed.And I don't see no reason why oscar and Hazard could not play with him. I even think that Hazard would like to play with a striker like him who would cut, taking the spaces in a good timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Are you serious when you say that Falcao could not make problems for Vidic and others.He's not a targetman and I'm not sure we need one. I would prefer an all-around like Cavani or the Falcao would make moves.Ok he doesn't play a lot with his back to goal but we don't need him to do it that often. And I'm sure he's capable of doing an enough good job of it when it's needed.And I don't see no reason why oscar and Hazard could not play with him. I even think that Hazard would like to play with a striker like him who would cut, taking the spaces in a good timing.I meant like if he was constantly contesting high balls vs Vidic and that he wouldn't win. Hes 5 ft 9 and apart from being good at scoring headers, is poor at winning them to knock down for his teammates. I'm not saying we need a targetman, we need a complete striker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Ok but it would be stupid to play like that.You can do it with Drogba or even Everton with Fellaini but there aren't that many players.Dzeko I don't know what to think, I've not seen him enough. And what I've seen last year or the year before when he arrived in January wasn't that great. I remember him struggling a lot with his first touches, the other players trying to combien with him but he would lost the ball because of his first touch.Perhaps it was only because he had to adapt not having as much space as in the Bundesliga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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