Sheva. 5,373 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Lol touche. at the end of the day we have an assist engine. falcao has the best aerial threat, iniesta described him in the feature of perfect player here. oscar,mata and hazard will be happy to see a striker scoring there chances and im sure chelsea fans would be too. I want a striker who can score goals. a striker that would put fear in opponents. falcao fits the bill and i hope if he comes chelsea will be a hit. you can give him a sniff and he will find a way to get the ball in the net, he has everything our attack is missing. we dominate but someone misses.If he comes here he will score for sure, that's not even my problem with him. Torres with all his shitty movement has had very very good chances this season and found a way to miss most of them, a player like Falcao is capable of having a better conversion rate.But it might not be as much as he did for Porto and Atletico due to the way we play, we don't deliver enough good crosses to take advantage of his aerial ability.And until Rafa became manager, we don't even look to get the ball to the striker in behind the defence enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Torres was a good team player last season, where he had 15 assists, now he doesn't do anything right.Like what though? i have watched him a lot, for Porto, Colombia and Atletico and the 1 thing i will tell you about him is he's a great finisher. Nothing else stands out.His movement is second to none. He's constantly moving and dragging defenders out of position. You'll rarely ever see him static. Despite being said 'he has no link up play', this is a myth. His link up play is more than good enough for any top level club, he brings other people into the game and because of his outstanding leap he's able to bring balls down and flick them on for other players. His heading? Not much needs to be said, i'm sure we know how good this attribute is. He also has this quality of being able to make a yard of space for himself and scoring chances (very similar to Rvp). However, despite all of this the biggest thing for me about Falcao is that he's a big game player. He doesn't go hiding in the big games and always steps up to the plate when needed. If you really wanted a Drogba replacement, then Falcao would be that man. With the current level of defending in the PL, Falcao would have a field day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 His movement is second to none. He's constantly moving and dragging defenders out of position. You'll rarely ever see him static. Despite being said 'he has no link up play', this is a myth. His link up play is more than good enough for any top level club, he brings other people into the game and because of his outstanding leap he's able to bring balls down and flick them on for other players. His heading? Not much needs to be said, i'm sure we know how good this attribute is. He also has this quality of being able to make a yard of space for himself and scoring chances (very similar to Rvp). However, despite all of this the biggest thing for me about Falcao is that he's a big game player. He doesn't go hiding in the big games and always steps up to the plate when needed. If you really wanted a Drogba replacement, then Falcao would be that man.With the current level of defending in the PL, Falcao would have a field dayI would argue today against Madrid was a massive game and he didn't make a positive contribution. Maybe he's also a confidence player like Torres? because when he started the season so hot he could not stop scoring.Then a couple games he failed to find the back of the net and his influence has been declining, and he's been getting easily frustrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fAnta 107 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I would argue today against Madrid was a massive game and he didn't make a positive contribution.Maybe he's also a confidence player like Torres? because when he started the season so hot he could not stop scoring.Then a couple games he failed to find the back of the net and his influence has been declining, and he's been getting easily frustrated.he is a big game player mate, but i think you should give him benifit of the doubt. atletico were awful today. he did score a pen but i guess not scoring in 3 games is a bad run for falcao P.S its also nice to actually have a discussion with someone who is substantiating his concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 he is a big game player mate, but i think you should give him benifit of the doubt. atletico were awful today. he did score a pen but i guess not scoring in 3 games is a bad run for falcao P.S its also nice to actually have a discussion with someone who is substantiating his concerns.Yeah i know this, i saw the two EL finals and also the super cup game vs us lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I would argue today against Madrid was a massive game and he didn't make a positive contribution.Maybe he's also a confidence player like Torres? because when he started the season so hot he could not stop scoring.Then a couple games he failed to find the back of the net and his influence has been declining, and he's been getting easily frustrated.Drogba didn't always play well in games against United, but he was still regarded as a big game player. And the tag 'big game player' has come from his scoring records in finals. Falcao more often than not plays a part in some way in the big games.I've never had Falcao down as a confidence player either. Even if he misses a chance, you'll still see him getting into goalscoring positions trying to put it in the net. When Torres misses a chance, he'll usually disappear for the next 60 or so minutes. A striker doesn't usually fire for a whole season though, so I'd say it's normal. Rvp had period where he didn't score for 3-5 games last season, but he still came out with 30 goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 What we saw today from Falcao really was that he offers very little unless he's around the opponents penalty box with a soaring cross coming in or if he has the ball at his feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 What we saw today from Falcao really was that he offers very little unless he's around the opponents penalty box with a soaring cross coming in or if he has the ball at his feet.Or an off day where he couldn't get involved in the game........All the best strikers in the world have games like this. Just feel like it's being over analysed just because its Falcao. It's normal. Happens to everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fAnta 107 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Or an off day where he couldn't get involved in the game........All the best strikers in the world have games like this. Just feel like it's being over analysed just because its Falcao. It's normal. Happens to everyoneagreed, i think in a game where a striker doesn't score unless your ibrahimovic or drogba your impact will generally be regarded as offering little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 By some of the posts on here, it makes it seem like we shouldn't bother buying a striker at all because their either going to end up playing like Torres or because they're not like Drogba...I mean, I know we've become accustomed to high standards, but come on.I'm pretty sure Falcao will stick the ball in the net wherever he ends up. We've all seen Torres miss some golden chances, including today, and I bet the majority of people here were imagining what if those chances fell to ANY other striker. I'm just worried about paying £50m for a, soon-to-be, 27 year old. The ideal scenario would be a cash + Torres deal. Either way, I'm sure we'd get £15m+ for Torres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I'm just worried about paying £50m for a, soon-to-be, 27 year old. The ideal scenario would be a cash + Torres deal. Either way, I'm sure we'd get £1.5m+ for Torres.OOOH, so much better now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 OOOH, so much better now To be honest, I think that's being more realistic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I just hope someone out there thinks they can revitalize Torres, and take him from us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I just hope someone out there thinks they can revitalize Torres, and take him from us.I can't see any club taking a chance on Torres, if it is for on the pitch purpose. Here is the killer about Torres he is extremely overpaid, he makes over 180,000k per week and only the mega rich clubs can afford him. To put it nicely he is well below the standard of PSG, Madrid, Barca, and City players. I only realistically see a club in China or Russia(less likely) taking a chance on him for off the pitch purpose mainly for Marketing.He has to take a massive pay cut for another club to take a chance on him, at the very least 50% pay cut. Won't speculate if he will or not, if someone like Kaka doesn't do it i have little hope Torres will do it.My guess is that we will most likely loan him out in the summer and pay vast amount of his salary. Expect something like the Adebayor situation, and hope he plays well and all parties agree to a deal after the loan spell. Don't expect a transfer fee, best scenario would be him off our payroll as soon as possible..I know some like to speculate that Alti would agree to Cash+Torres=Falcao. I don't see that happening, it comes down to his wages again and note that Alti payroll is equivalent to a mid table club in PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Why for some reason do people think that there are players who are 100% every game?Get a fucking grip guys.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Mate are you actually serious? Please watch a few games of Falcao. Tbh I can't wait till he comes to the premier league and proves people wrong for saying he's not worth 40-50 million when he's winning trophies and scoring goals for either us or City. He won't win you games by himself? Watch an Atletico game. Ask an Atletico and tell me Falcao has never won a game by himself. This is just as bad as when people describe Drogba as a target manAlmost nobody is worth 40-50M no matter what. There have been 4 players in history who have gone for 50M+. (Ronaldo, Torres, Ibrahimovic, and Kaka) Only 2 other players went between 40-50M (Figo and Zidane) 4 of those 6 players were Real Madrid buys and all 4 of those were previous Ballon D'or winners. Other teams are somehow still able to win trophies and get strikers that score goals without spending that much money on a single player. You can get players that will fit your team and not cost 50M pounds. It's amazing. Chelsea have gone after big-name strikers twice. We bought Shevchenko who was a ballon d'or winner and probably the best striker in the world in a league that's always been difficult to score in. He was almost useless for us. Then, we spent 50M on Torres who had scored 65 goals in just over 100 games in England, the starting striker for the best national team in the world. Utterly useless at Chelsea. (That's without mentioning Chris Sutton who cost a lot of money and was even worse than Torres). You're acting like this is a new situation. Like we've never seen a case where there was a striker that everyone thought was amazing who came to Chelsea and flopped. We don't need to spend 50M on players, especially a player who relies on service to score. (Which he absolutely does).Here are the top goal-scorers in the Premier League and how much they costSuarez-22.8M, Van Persie-24M , Ba-Free, Michu-2M, Defoe-15.75M, Fellaini-15M-Not one costing more than 24M pounds (and Van Persie cost Arsenal about 1M pounds) The five most expensive strikers in Premier League historyTorres, Shevchenko, Aguero, Robinho, Caroll...4 complete and utter flops out of 5. This is why the board needs to be better than fans. They need to actually go out and find players that will fit into the (theoretical) manager's vision of the club, not just splurge on whoever the biggest name is. @FAnta-whoscored.com has very good free access to statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Falcao has scored just 1 goal in the last 5 La Liga games and even that came from the penalty spot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 What we saw today from Falcao really was that he offers very little unless he's around the opponents penalty box with a soaring cross coming in or if he has the ball at his feet.This is where @SeB will say "I told you so!".Despite Falcao's impressive goalscoring form, is he really what we need if he's just a striker that depends on service or otherwise he won't contribute much elsewhere? I'm sure many will use the reason of that shouldn't be a problem when there are Mata, Hazard and Oscar playing behind but in the really big games where chances don't come often, can he offer anything else upfront? I'm not sure personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit 3,176 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Eduardo Lara (U17 coach of Falcao): "Radamel can drop back into midfield and play with players like Eden Hazard, Juan Mata and Oscar." Lara: "I have no doubt at all that Falcao would fit into that team and that Rafa Benítez would get the best out of him."-Twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I actually feel lewandowski will be best suited to us.He wont come in january so we will have to buy a stop gap type of striker(huntelaar,Llorente) till the summer.Also lewandowski will not cost more then 25m and has already said he wants to play in the BPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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