Myself 793 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 As I said in his thread, I don't think JT has enough influence at the club anymore to change anything. Although, change in this matter is now probably much possible with Gourlay gone. Why do you think that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 As I said in his thread, I don't think JT has enough influence at the club anymore to change anything. Although, change in this matter is now probably much possible with Gourlay gone. If anyone does, JT does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManchesterMatt 52 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Football changes. Atmosphere changes.A combination of: - less working class attendees at games- increase in women attending games- full seater stadiums- more 'tourists'- stricter drinking regimes- a lowering in drinking pre-match- ticket pricing- lifestyle changes (people don't spend their whole Saturday revolving around football)The atmosphere at away matches is much better as (in general) more committed fans attend, there is a higher concentration of men, the crowd stands for 90 mins, people drink more before the match and there are no 'tourists'. We can't expect to sell the Premier League to 'the world', attempt to attract money through sponsorship , attempt to attract younger and female fans to the ground and still keep the 'atmosphere'. It's unfortunate but football crowds have evolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Tim Rolls also did a big piece about ticket prices a while ago if anybody is interested in reading it - http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/9/19/6412279/chelsea-fc-the-changing-cost-of-football-atWell the reason why away support is much better it's because the price are cheaper right? So if that's the true then that's your answer. But then again that might be the same issue for a lot of top clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,333 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Would add...No pyro...No standing...Have to book your tickets a month in advance and sit miles away from your mates...Not allowed to swear...Not allowed to drink in the stand...The exact opposite of every stadium in world football where the atmosphere is quality...On the positive, the very fact that the club has to look at this now because the one man who can make people take notice, Jose, has raised it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Fulham will JT be posting his response?Also all agreed with. Standing probably the biggest problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Im 77 I can't shout as loud or sing as long or stand as long as I could 40 years ago .Our fans are older than they were 30 years ago ,,, Why ,, TICKET prices .I wont criticise " Tourists" .. I have been a "Tourist " wherever I have lived or visited .Some members here may visit the Bridge only once in their lifetime .. NEVER insult them .The NUMBER one tourist visited Chelsea about 3 years ago ,, Name Steve ... read his account of his visit . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,333 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Fulham will JT be posting his response?Also all agreed with. Standing probably the biggest problem.Will post his reply if/when he comes back.One way to alleviate the problem would be to put the away fans back in the east lower, fuck it, east upper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Why do you think that?If anyone does, JT does.It's no secret that the club has been trying (and has succeeded) in eliminating any player power within the team since even before the AVB fiasco but especially after. You can clearly see the influence of players, specifically older players, on the whole club decisions and direction have gone down massively since Scholari's for example. (Ashley Cole brought a rifle to training, ffs!) And no one was more powerful than JT himself. If you believe some reports, he would borrow Roman's yacht whenever he wants and bring his family and friends to use the facilities at Cobham regularly...etc. All gone. Biggest evidence maybe was that there was a genuine possibility of him even not being offered a contract.I reckon he probably regained some of it with Jose's return but I highly doubt he still have power to influence executive decisions by the club like the ones being discussed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Will post his reply if/when he comes back.One way to alleviate the problem would be to put the away fans back in the east lower, fuck it, east upper.leave them in Fulham Broadway toilets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Well the reason why away support is much better it's because the price are cheaper right?So if that's the true then that's your answer.But then again that might be the same issue for a lot of top clubs.No, the away support is much better because those who are willing to travel up and down the country/all over Europe are naturally the more hardcore supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Well the reason why away support is much better it's because the price are cheaper right?So if that's the true then that's your answer.But then again that might be the same issue for a lot of top clubs.have you ever travelled in uk .. train fares are about 3 or 4 times that in France and Spain ..It costs away fans a fortune to support the club ,, For games in Europe the airlines usually increase their fares bt the same amount ..I dont understand how a man with a family can afford to go to away games. One reason I was annoyed bt Mourinhos commentsabout home fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 More comments:Reporter: “You spoke last season a few times of the crowd being not as up-for-it as others, and you mentioned it there (in the press conference). Do you think you'll ever get a crowd that really roars from the start and tries to make this an intimidating ground? Is that never going to happen at Stamford bridge?”Mourinho: “I think it’s getting worse.”Reporter: “Really?”Mourinho : “I think so. Comparing to my previous time, I think it’s getting worse. I don’t question the passion and the love - I’m nobody to question that and I know clearly that’s not true."Because Chelsea fans, they show us every day their passion for this club. But there is a certain line of living (way of behaving) at the matches at Stamford Bridge, where I can clearly say that we are the team that gets less support in home matches.”Reporter: “Is that complacency?They come expecting to see the win, and they think it will be easy?”Mourinho: “I don’t know. And I will always love them and respect them, but I don't know.”Reporter: “Is that, as Roy Keane says, too many prawn sandwiches?”Mourinho (wryly): “I’m not here to sell books.”Reporter: “There is a feeling in the country that the more money you pay for a ticket, any ground in the country, you are going to expect to be entertained. That's been something that's happened across the last 20 years all over football.”Mourinho: “OK.”Reporter: “Maybe it's more corporate fans than what you might call real fans?”Mourinho: “I don’t know.”Reporter: “Would you like to see people maybe coming in for £10 tickets? Cheaper tickets?” Mourinho (agitated, shakes head): “I don’t know.”At this point the Chelsea press officer ends the discussion.So at best he's unwilling to discuss the factors involved and at worst he's just downright ignorant and criticising the supporters for the sake of it.Well done, Jose. The way he was scowling after the first goal was pretty fucking pathetic. I was wondering at the time what his problem was. Just embarrassing really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidator 5,176 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 New quotes in the telegraph from Jose saying 've receive the least support at home of any team in the league'Ok Jose, ok. Did you not show up at places like Sunderland, Southampton, Newcastle (very overrated), Hull, Arsenal, Fulham last season?Seriously, his comments yesterday were unreasonable but this is just taking the absolute piss. If you publicly criticize our home support which is no worse than the other shite in the league why not praise our away support which is one of if not the best in the country? Not even R**a went this far and he was being called a twat every week. Some people praise Jose like he can do no wrong and will praise him for being a wanker and generalizing the whole home support.He also mentioned how the atmosphere was better in his first spell here. Might have something to do with you moving 3000 vocal fans from a traditional 'hardcore' area so that away fans could go there because he couldn't put up with mean things being said about him by them when they were in the East stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 THANKS for expressing my thoughts so forcefully . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Poor move, if Jose really cares about this he should take it up with Roman and the board privately maybe even speak to some Chelsea fans... but to publicly slate the fans is not on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithette 22 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Football changes. Atmosphere changes.A combination of: - less working class attendees at games- increase in women attending games- full seater stadiums- more 'tourists'- stricter drinking regimes- a lowering in drinking pre-match- ticket pricing- lifestyle changes (people don't spend their whole Saturday revolving around football)The atmosphere at away matches is much better as (in general) more committed fans attend, there is a higher concentration of men, the crowd stands for 90 mins, people drink more before the match and there are no 'tourists'. We can't expect to sell the Premier League to 'the world', attempt to attract money through sponsorship , attempt to attract younger and female fans to the ground and still keep the 'atmosphere'. It's unfortunate but football crowds have evolved.Bit harsh on us female fans that go regularly and sing/chant just as loud as the rest, especially your last sentence. Of course there's some female fans that just get dragged along with boyfriends, husbands, etc, or go because it's 'cool', but in my experience, the fact that it's such a traditionally male crowd means that the women who actively choose to be a part of this aren't the problem. It's easy to group female supporters into a stereotype, but I've noticed just as many men in the crowds doing what the women are criticised for. I got deafened at Palace Away by the two women in front of me!I agree with your other points though.Anyway, I think it's a good thing that Mourinho made these comments, as it's sparked a high-profile discussion that wouldn't have happened otherwise.Also, I wish we could ban photography at the Bridge. The number of people who sit back and watch the match through their phone screens never fails to amaze me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 A Chelsea fan recently contacted JT via Instagram and the legend responded:joecfcdaviesHi JT, I thought I would write to you because I feel you're someone in the club who would understand, because you're a fan like us and many of us believe something needs to be done. As much as we all love Jose, his comments yesterday was not called for and was completely bang out of order for people who pay ridiculous prices each week to watch Chelsea. Here lies the first issue, pricing. It has become so expensive following football now that many proper fans are being priced out of going to Stamford bridge and being replaced by tourists who of course won't be singing or making noise. Another one problem is the stewarding, the problem is as soon as people try to stand up and make an atmosphere (you're obviously not gonna have atmosphere sitting down) we get threatened with ejection if we don't sit down so no one wants to make an atmosphere now in fear of getting chucked out. Another problem is the away fans in the famous shed end. If the away fans were in the west upper or East upper then they wouldn't be heard as much as we have a bigger platform to make noise. There are many solutions to the atmosphere problem like singing sections, safe standing, cheaper tickets but the club has done nothing. As you know John our away support is brilliant, because we are standing all game, not being threatened to be kicked out and tickets are generally cheaper. The whole point i am trying to get across is ths all well and good Jose slagging off our support but will he actually do anything about it? because down thing needs to be done rather than just slagging off people who pay loads of money to be told to sit down or face ejection from the stadium. Sorry to bother you JT but as our greatest ever player and a fan yourself, I feel you have influence and understand what we are feeling.Regards, Joe. johnterry.26JoeI'm just about to go and train but will contact you after training today. Please send your number. JT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I agree with Mourinho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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