Controversial football opinions

[dUMB 189]

I'm not the kind of person to talk about the impossible, and since changing the past and blending teams isnt part of this reality its pointless to go in that direction, I also can tell you that I dont belive Mourinho could have had the sucess Guardiola had with Barcelona, especially in his first year at the club, but it wont add much to the discussion as we cant know.However, I do agree that the knowlege of Mourinho about the Portuguese league made him an exceptionnal manager in Portugal, way before becoming the superstar at Chelsea, and Guardiola would probably find it difficult to manage a Portuguese team like Leiria or Porto, since his football knowledge is more developped when it comes to spanish teams and spanish football, but its a logical guess, nothing more.In this moment the amount of titles Pep has is near perfection, having won 2 out of 5 Champions League campaigns, 4 out of 5 championships, won 3 out of 5 cups, and a hell lot of supercups, Mourinho, excluding his time at Benfica and Leiria, and only counting from Porto, won very much the same amount of titles after 6 years of coaching, however, with a CL less, and with a style of football less entretaining then the one Guardiola proposed, but I guess this last sentence is relative to the viewer, so thats personal opinion of course.

As for the controversial part, I dont find any kind of controversy when speaking about legendary managers and comparing titles and paths, even if its disscussed in a forum where Mourinho is the main man and Guardiola systematically reduced to a poessession-maniac overated manager, even if none of us have been coached by him.

You and Ibrahimovic think the same way about Pep, not a cunt, a coward is more suitable for the spaniard, meh ! Again same argument, based solely on the fact that Guardiola didnt manage small teams and he is a one way style of football so overrated.Mourinho is a master tactician, and so is Guardiola, dont ever think all those victories in the clasicos were due to luck, and we often forget his amazing work with Barcelona B, that resulted in some talents for the A team, buts thats the hidden part.His first year in Germany is a sucess, and the records he is creating with bayern domestically are remarkable.The black mark will obviously be the defeat against Madrid, that came because of a lack of tactical preparation for Guardiola ( A week after losing Tito Vilanova, an important factor ignored by the majority because its please to say that Pep was "humiliated" )

For the bottom part, ok, its just my opinion, and I cant be objective because I really dont like pep.

For the bolded part, I dont understand. You're counting from Porto then saying with a CL less? wtf?

And to be honest. I dont count 2008/09 CL at all. With (name of the referee I shall not name) on that goddamn evening, (06.05.2009) any 'cunt' would have won CL.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

For the bottom part, ok, its just my opinion, and I cant be objective because I really dont like pep.

For the bolded part, I dont understand. You're counting from Porto then saying with a CL less? wtf?

And to be honest. I dont count 2008/09 CL at all. With (name of the referee I shall not name) on that goddamn evening, (06.05.2009) any 'cunt' would have won CL.

With Porto he won a Champions League, but failed to win us the trophy in three occasions, and with Inter, I counted six years for Mourinho and six years for Guardiola because Guardiola managed six years.

You can be honest, you are still not right.

[dUMB 189]

With Porto he won a Champions League, but failed to win us the trophy in three occasions, and with Inter, I counted six years for Mourinho and six years for Guardiola because Guardiola managed six years.

You can be honest, you are still not right.

So, according to you, after this year they'll be even... and in few more, who knows... but, I already know which one will be remembered as the best manager ever... The Special One.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

So, according to you, after this year they'll be even... and in few more, who knows... but, I already know which one will be remembered as the best manager ever... The Special One.

Mourinho needs a World Cup to be considered as the best ever, he'll probably manage Portugal one day, I just hope the crop of players will worth the management.

[iseah100 5,612]

Kroos is overrated.

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

Mourinho won with Porto, an aging Inter squad, and created the Chelsea team that won the CL. Now he's building us another top team. Guardiola inherited Barca and just picked the players he wanted, and inherited an amazing academy. Now he's at Bayern after inheriting a squad that won the treble and bought their rivals 2 key players.

Just picked the players he wanted? He promoted several young guys (Pedro, Busquets, Roberto, Montoya, Bartra) in his spell in charge and built the team around Messi where as before it had been built around Ronaldinho. He hardly came in to a team that needed changing as I imagine he could of gotten a few years out of Deco and Eto'o and other guys he sold but he sold them and turned Barcelona into the team they were. Hes started to make Bayern his own too, Alaba and Lahm playing inside as central players as opposed to fullbacks like previously.

Mourinho winning the treble with Inter is just as good an achievement as any of Pep's though in my eyes. Inter were an old side and needed rebuilding but he managed to bring the best out of players that many thought had past it helped with the arrivals of Sniejder, Eto'o and also Milito (who wasn't a spring chicken, he was 30 or 31 when he got him). He got them players running through walls for him whereas Pep built a team that played a different brand of football to anyone which was good to watch (until they got boring and far too intense on ball circulation in their own half) but they are achievements that are equal in my eyes because both were difficult to do obviously.

[lionsden 4,689]

Here's another one.

Romario is the most clinical finisher of the last 30 years. More clinically efficient than the original Ronaldo, Messi and Cristiano.

He only needed one chance to score in his prime. Regarding the topic, Van Nistelrooy is very underrated and belongs in the top 6 of the most clinical finishers of the last 30 years.

[Tomo 21,751]

@lionsden sorry for the late reply I didn't get your quote notification.

Basically I'm 23 and Terry in the back to back title years is as good as anyone I've ever seen, he was the one untouchable in the defence yet no matter who was partnering him or at full back our defence was ridiculously solid.

Cech deserves massive credit for that as well.

[Dion 2,476]

Here's another one.

Romario is the most clinical finisher of the last 30 years. More clinically efficient than the original Ronaldo, Messi and Cristiano.

He only needed one chance to score in his prime. Regarding the topic, Van Nistelrooy is very underrated and belongs in the top 6 of the most clinical finishers of the last 30 years.

That's not too controversial in Brazil at least. Romario is regarded here as the "king of the box". Opinions are split about who was the best Brazilian striker, Ronaldo or Romario, but even those who think Ronaldo was better usually consider Romario a better pure finisher of chances. I never liked his overall game too much though.

[lionsden 4,689]

@lionsden sorry for the late reply I didn't get your quote notification.

Basically I'm 23 and Terry in the back to back title years is as good as anyone I've ever seen, he was the one untouchable in the defence yet no matter who was partnering him or at full back our defence was ridiculously solid.

Cech deserves massive credit for that as well.

Imo He was far from flawless even in his prime years that you mentioned and benefited greatly from the partnership of Carvalho, who bailed him out numerous times ( I know football is a team sport, more so defending) and the protection he received from the midfielders namely Makelele and our tactical set up as well. Even if we agree that he was as good as anyone for those back to back title years, that's still only 2 years of perfection.

The concensus all time great defenders performed at absolute elite level for many more years. It's undeniable that JT became increasingly inconsistent and unreliable from 2007 to 2013 before picking it up again after Jose returned. still had moments of world class in between but inconsistent nonetheless.

They are all comfortably ahead of JT on longevity/consistency alone nevermind their impact and legacy on the game itself.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Olivier khan is the best goal keeper I've ever seen. Reflex of a robot.

Pep Guardiola is better than people give him credit for but his tactics depends hugely on an Alonso /Xavi /thiago type of passer to control his midfield.

[Nike 373]

A defender will never win the ballon d'or award ...

[iseah100 5,612]

A defender will never win the ballon d'or award ...

Canavarro won player of the year? Close enough.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Canavarro won player of the year? Close enough.

He probably doesn't even know that.

[chelseafc9010 224]

Pirlo is one of the most overrated footballers I have seen.