Petr Cech

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Think this is a stupid decision. Lampard has came out and said he wants to support Kepa then takes a guy whos been retired for 2 years in as a emergency GK. Talk about contradiction. Also so naive someone who hasnt played or trained for 2 years even if as an emergency GK, sort of message does this send out to Kepa and Caballero? Completely demoralising.

I hope they can see the funny side of this.

ofc lamps says he wants to support Kepa. But it has been pretty clear that he wants Kepas ass the hell out of the squad.  

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17 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I hope they can see the funny side of this.

ofc lamps says he wants to support Kepa. But it has been pretty clear that he wants Kepas ass the hell out of the squad.  

Well if that's the case just do it. Even if he isn't playing or cant get a move look at what Arteta has done with Ozil, excluding him from Arsenal's PL squad and Europa League squad. And yes Ozil didn't cost 71m but he is on £350,000-400,000 a week and effectively, giving him that contract contributed towards them losing Ramsey on a free who was much more important to them than Ozil had been in about 3 seasons.

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

Ive just thought this must be more than an emergency measure. Had we lost two keepers we'd have been able to register an emergency one like when we signed and registered Hedman in 2006 (when Cech and Carlo got injured).

I think he's getting registered to be the number two.

That's the scary thing, I think Frank has genuinely signed him to be number 2 as well. Which is ridiculous I think considering he's not played football or probably even trained at such a level for 17 months now. Plus as I've said regarding Kepa and Willy - Kepa's confidence is already non existent, this is going to be even more demoralising - what does this mean for them?. Especially if he does go on to be the number 2, its a giant sign he doesn't trust them. I mean there's no way he resigns Cech or the club okays it if he is going to be like 3rd or 4th choice. It makes no sense. 

Wonder if we keep having CB problems is he going to ask JT next? 

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4 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Well if that's the case just do it. Even if he isn't playing or cant get a move look at what Arteta has done with Ozil, excluding him from Arsenal's PL squad and Europa League squad. And yes Ozil didn't cost 71m but he is on £350,000-400,000 a week and effectively, giving him that contract contributed towards them losing Ramsey on a free who was much more important to them than Ozil had been in about 3 seasons.

That's the scary thing, I think Frank has genuinely signed him to be number 2 as well. Which is ridiculous I think considering he's not played football or probably even trained at such a level for 17 months now. Plus as I've said regarding Kepa and Willy - Kepa's confidence is already non existent, this is going to be even more demoralising - what does this mean for them?. Especially if he does go on to be the number 2, its a giant sign he doesn't trust them. I mean there's no way he resigns Cech or the club okays it if he is going to be like 3rd or 4th choice. It makes no sense. 

Wonder if we keep having CB problems is he going to ask JT next? 

In fairness unlike JT Cech can probably still play at a decent level for a #2 as he wasn't exactly bad when he stopped playing which was just over a year ago.

As for Kepa got no sympathy anymore, he's had a gizilion and one chances to avoid this.

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31 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

That's the scary thing, I think Frank has genuinely signed him to be number 2 as well.

Let's see what happens before we start jumping the gun.

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32 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Well if that's the case just do it. Even if he isn't playing or cant get a move look at what Arteta has done with Ozil, excluding him from Arsenal's PL squad and Europa League squad. And yes Ozil didn't cost 71m but he is on £350,000-400,000 a week and effectively, giving him that contract contributed towards them losing Ramsey on a free who was much more important to them than Ozil had been in about 3 seasons.

That's the scary thing, I think Frank has genuinely signed him to be number 2 as well. Which is ridiculous I think considering he's not played football or probably even trained at such a level for 17 months now. Plus as I've said regarding Kepa and Willy - Kepa's confidence is already non existent, this is going to be even more demoralising - what does this mean for them?. Especially if he does go on to be the number 2, its a giant sign he doesn't trust them. I mean there's no way he resigns Cech or the club okays it if he is going to be like 3rd or 4th choice. It makes no sense. 

Wonder if we keep having CB problems is he going to ask JT next? 

If kepas confidence is non existing it can’t get worse can it? You can’t get negative confidence I guess. We really should not care a out what makes Kepa happy. 
Özil is a different case. He just is a phlegmatic, toxic character. Kepa seems an alright lad just a shit goalie. 

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2 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

If kepas confidence is non existing it can’t get worse can it? You can’t get negative confidence I guess. We really should not care a out what makes Kepa happy. 
Özil is a different case. He just is a phlegmatic, toxic character. Kepa seems an alright lad just a shit goalie. 

And as Tomo alluded to above, Kepa has had his chances but he has continued to fuck up those chances every single time. 

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28 minutes ago, Tomo said:

In fairness unlike JT Cech can probably still play at a decent level for a #2 as he wasn't exactly bad when he stopped playing which was just over a year ago.

As for Kepa got no sympathy anymore, he's had a gizilion and one chances to avoid this.

Maybe. Still risky. No sympathy but its clear Frank doesn't rate him and has no confidence in him, so why is he not just getting rid of him? Be it training with the kids, not putting him in 25 man squads etc? Same way Sarri did to Bakayoko straight away, what Frank did to Drinkwater and Moses last season and Drinkwater again this season.

I don't think signing Cech and keeping Kepa in the 25 man squad is exactly great, or exactly looks great for either Kepa, because we've just signed a 38 year old who hasn't played football for like 1.5 seasons who along with having another 37 year old will undoubtedly probably be counted on more by the manager than him, or, for Frank as it looks like it was a very desperate move, I mean we seen the mistakes last season from both GKs or uncertain performances. 

Be interesting to see what the people saying Cech was finished at Arsenal when he was Bernd Leno's back up will think of us getting him in if he is the number 2 though.....

3 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

If kepas confidence is non existing it can’t get worse can it? You can’t get negative confidence I guess. We really should not care a out what makes Kepa happy. 
Özil is a different case. He just is a phlegmatic, toxic character. Kepa seems an alright lad just a shit goalie. 

Is Ozil a toxic character? If so how? I don't see it. He is a lazy bastard (also these sort of languid styled footballers are rare in the top teams now a days also) for someone on 350-400k a week I'll say that but toxic not so much. Same with the whole Willian being a toxic character here in 7 years one rash moment. Just don't see it.

Yes we shouldn't care about what makes Kepa happy but having demoralised players who clearly dont have a clear and obvious future in a squad isn't good. Its not just Kepa, You've got the 3 left back situation, where 2 will certainly enough minutes to keep them satisfied, one wont even make the squad most times and then 5 CBs to pick from including Rudiger who looks completely frozen out and still here. These players might not be knob ends but you've got the potential for 3 or 4 disgruntled players and we already seen Giroud had rumblings last season because he didn't play (and again I think hes probably going to be third in the pecking order with Timo and Werner so keep eyes on). Franks got to think of things from a footballing decision but also see how having 2 or 3 guys not happy can have an effect on guys around the place. That's why I think if he's at the point of no return with Kepa he's got to just get him out of there. Be it bombing him or just saying look you need to look elsewhere it hasn't worked here, your done. At least he'd know where he stands then if he already doesn't (I would imagine he does so being in the squad probably even more a mystery). 

11 minutes ago, Jason said:

Let's see what happens before we start jumping the gun.

Why else would he ask the club to sign Cech though realistically? I mean Mendy if he's out, Kepa if he wasn't the way he was would come in or since the way he is playing, Caballero would come in. No need for 4 GKs even if they are chalking Cech down to an emergency signing. Only way I can see why we would sign him is if he is going to be the back up but even then how many games does a back up GK play on average each season, the FA cup and Carabao Cup? I know Willy's not that good and Kepa's more than done here but surely Willy could cope with those. I know they've cited COVID but what are the chances 3 GKs will go down with COVID at one go? Or 3 with injuries at one go? It will be interesting to see who's on the bench v United for the GK position. 

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

Maybe. Still risky. No sympathy but its clear Frank doesn't rate him and has no confidence in him, so why is he not just getting rid of him? Be it training with the kids, not putting him in 25 man squads etc? Same way Sarri did to Bakayoko straight away, what Frank did to Drinkwater and Moses last season and Drinkwater again this season.

I don't think signing Cech and keeping Kepa in the 25 man squad is exactly great, or exactly looks great for either Kepa, because we've just signed a 38 year old who hasn't played football for like 1.5 seasons who along with having another 37 year old will undoubtedly probably be counted on more by the manager than him, or, for Frank as it looks like it was a very desperate move, I mean we seen the mistakes last season from both GKs or uncertain performances. 

Be interesting to see what the people saying Cech was finished at Arsenal when he was Bernd Leno's back up will think of us getting him in if he is the number 2 though.....

Is Ozil a toxic character? If so how? I don't see it. He is a lazy bastard (also these sort of languid styled footballers are rare in the top teams now a days also) for someone on 350-400k a week I'll say that but toxic not so much. Same with the whole Willian being a toxic character here in 7 years one rash moment. Just don't see it.

Yes we shouldn't care about what makes Kepa happy but having demoralised players who clearly dont have a clear and obvious future in a squad isn't good. Its not just Kepa, You've got the 3 left back situation, where 2 will certainly enough minutes to keep them satisfied, one wont even make the squad most times and then 5 CBs to pick from including Rudiger who looks completely frozen out and still here. These players might not be knob ends but you've got the potential for 3 or 4 disgruntled players and we already seen Giroud had rumblings last season because he didn't play (and again I think hes probably going to be third in the pecking order with Timo and Werner so keep eyes on). Franks got to think of things from a footballing decision but also see how having 2 or 3 guys not happy can have an effect on guys around the place. That's why I think if he's at the point of no return with Kepa he's got to just get him out of there. Be it bombing him or just saying look you need to look elsewhere it hasn't worked here, your done. At least he'd know where he stands then if he already doesn't (I would imagine he does so being in the squad probably even more a mystery). 

Why else would he ask the club to sign Cech though realistically? I mean Mendy if he's out, Kepa if he wasn't the way he was would come in or since the way he is playing, Caballero would come in. No need for 4 GKs even if they are chalking Cech down to an emergency signing. Only way I can see why we would sign him is if he is going to be the back up but even then how many games does a back up GK play on average each season, the FA cup and Carabao Cup? I know Willy's not that good and Kepa's more than done here but surely Willy could cope with those. I know they've cited COVID but what are the chances 3 GKs will go down with COVID at one go? Or 3 with injuries at one go? It will be interesting to see who's on the bench v United for the GK position. 

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2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I know they've cited COVID but what are the chances 3 GKs will go down with COVID at one go? Or 3 with injuries at one go? It will be interesting to see who's on the bench v United for the GK position. 

That's because if one goes down to COVID, the rest may have to isolate and miss games. That is why Cech is training separately from the rest of the team to avoid an outbreak affecting all the keepers.

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You just need two GKs to go down due to Covid or one to Covid, one injured to need 4th choice.

Mendy already had injury and he also has int. games just like Kepa. So Petr is definitely 4th choice.

And tbh he has been hockey goalie this past year so that helps. And since he is on the training ground all the time why not? No problem here for me.

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Just now, Jason said:

That's because if one goes down to COVID, the rest may have to isolate and miss games. That is why Cech is training separately from the rest of the team to avoid an outbreak affecting all the keepers.

Still think it will be a rarity but you never know.

I think like Tomo said he's gonna be signed and once fit, be in as the number 2. Based off what we've seen from Kepa and even Willy in the last 6 or 7 months I am not surprised one bit either even if I think its a risky move.

Suppose he will bring experience and a bit of the old mentality back to the changing room which may give some of these boys a bit of help. But I do think its a bit of an odd signing. If we wanted a 4th choice GK why not just use one of the young guys? Or one of the many many loan army GKs like Jamal Blackman or something. Although I suppose the circumstances are a bit different with regards to Cech being a non contract player, not fully sure what the fuck that means entirely yet other than he doesn't have a contract but there's bound to be some loophole based on how we've registered him in the 25 man squad. 

4 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Özil publicly supports mass murdering dictators without any regrets

Perhaps but that's a can of worms and you'll find someone who would say person X is this and person Y is that because its all perspective and Ozil, Gundogan, Tosun are all Turkish/of Turkish descent. Plus the whole fallout from there resulting with his retirement, it was even more of a mess and I am sure the German FA came out and said that afterwards in hindsight. I assumed you meant through genuine footballing reasons but yeah 350,000 to sit on his arse though - well whatevers left when he pays for the mascot's weekly wage - and basically play Fortnite 24/7, worse jobs out there. Lampard should follow suit with Kepa though if Cech and Caballero go ahead of him though in his thinking (would say they already are). Just put the guy out of his misery and make it very clear. Same with Emerson. Same with anyone else he doesn't fancy. 

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Think this is a stupid decision. Lampard has came out and said he wants to support Kepa then takes a guy whos been retired for 2 years in as a emergency GK. Talk about contradiction. Also so naive someone who hasnt played or trained for 2 years even if as an emergency GK, sort of message does this send out to Kepa and Caballero? Completely demoralising.

 

1... He has been training and keeping fit.

2... What you expecting Frank to say to the media. No he's pure shit and willy ain't much better?

3...He's not really been signed he's there as a technical director so it makes it easier.

4... It's not like hes some random ex keeper. His Petr fucking Cech lol.

5... Final point, let's be real here. Do we really care the message it sends to kepa or willy. Neither have a future here. Willy is a journeyman who I'm sure will get it. Kepa has had a million chances to have an average game and he can't do it at the moment. It's better for kepa he stays out the limelight.

 

Ive just thought this must be more than an emergency measure. Had we lost two keepers we'd have been able to register an emergency one like when we signed and registered Hedman in 2006 (when Cech and Carlo got injured).

I think he's getting registered to be the number two.

It's been a while since he retired but I'd happily bet he's still better than them 2. That being said I'd rather we didn't see him in goal because mendy is just bossing it. Fingers crossed.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Still think it will be a rarity but you never know.

I think like Tomo said he's gonna be signed and once fit, be in as the number 2. Based off what we've seen from Kepa and even Willy in the last 6 or 7 months I am not surprised one bit either even if I think its a risky move.

Suppose he will bring experience and a bit of the old mentality back to the changing room which may give some of these boys a bit of help. But I do think its a bit of an odd signing. If we wanted a 4th choice GK why not just use one of the young guys? Or one of the many many loan army GKs like Jamal Blackman or something. Although I suppose the circumstances are a bit different with regards to Cech being a non contract player, not fully sure what the fuck that means entirely yet other than he doesn't have a contract but there's bound to be some loophole based on how we've registered him in the 25 man squad. 

Am sure there is one from the long list of U21 players...

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8 minutes ago, Hutcho said:

 

 

 

 

 

1... He has been training and keeping fit.

2... What you expecting Frank to say to the media. No he's pure shit and willy ain't much better?

3...He's not really been signed he's there as a technical director so it makes it easier.

4... It's not like hes some random ex keeper. His Petr fucking Cech lol.

5... Final point, let's be real here. Do we really care the message it sends to kepa or willy. Neither have a future here. Willy is a journeyman who I'm sure will get it. Kepa has had a million chances to have an average game and he can't do it at the moment. It's better for kepa he stays out the limelight.

 

 

It's been a while since he retired but I'd happily bet he's still better than them 2. That being said I'd rather we didn't see him in goal because mendy is just bossing it. Fingers crossed.

 

 

True he has been training and keeping fit but he was out the game for over 12 months. Since May 2019, EL final. I know GKs different position so maybe not as big a risk as I originally thought IF he comes in in the capacity as an emergency option.

No obviously not expecting Frank to say that but saying what he said and now, making this move, "as an emergency option", do you really believe we'd be signing Petr Cech as an emergency 4th choice GK? Even with COVID? After we've just had a minor injury to our main GK and the back up has had another bad game after 6-8 months of them? When we already have what 2 other players who could have filled in for one game if there is an academy player in that 25 man squad too through the u21s (although I do see the complications playing 1 game with the first team then going n returning to the u23s/18s/whatever with COVID but again Caballero could have also played and we aren't going to be down more than 2 GKs at once). I know the squads were just confirmed but if Kepa say started the season well in the games he had played do you think Cech would of been signed as a emergency option or if Caballero had played and done well? I don't think its any real coincidence. Its probably been in the works for weeks as well because there were photos of him with his gloves and cap on involved with training what last month?

Neither have a future here, that's the point, if that's the case just bin them/demote them/do whatever. Put them with the kids or u23s. Willy would of been sufficient as a number 2 anyway I think despite him not being overly convincing and he's not that good but he's surely more likely to be more consistent than Kepa. It is better for Kepa to stay out of the limelight so if Cech comes in and takes the number 2 position and Kepa goes out of the squad for the first few times you think that's going to "keep him out of the limelight" just think... worlds most expensive GK relegated to 3rd/4th choice behind previously retired and current Chelsea technical director Petr Cech.. that's going to make every sports newspaper/website in the country at some point if it happens, so just cut our loss, not embarrassing the guy even more to the point where keeping him around becomes an issue. Demote and try get him a club for January be it a transfer or a loan.

Lampard's persistence playing him when he was underperforming, has contributed towards what he is now a tiny bit as well and I think Caballero probably in hindsight looking back would of been the lesser evil although I will admit, I was of the belief Kepa could have changed it around and I think the fact the club were interested in a new GK coach at some point last season wasn't a coincidence either but probably more of the effort to try see if Kepa could turn the corner with a different coach in the same way some teams change it with new managers also. The persistence in playing him similarly to like Andreas with Conte isn't obviously the main reason why a player loses their confidence or ability but it definitely isn't ideal either. Both were given numerous opportunities but just cannot/couldn't seem to redeem themselves and went backwards. I mean look at what people thought of Christensen after 3 months under Conte to after that Barcelona game he went from "one of the top young CBs in the world" to not good enough after what maybe 3 big mistakes in a run of 5 games. And Conte did keep faith with him, which might work with some players but not always. 

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Lets be honest here, Cech is not GK4. If this was the case and he is there only for injury emergencies i.e. two out of Kepa, Mendy and Willy going down, we could've registered him anyway due to the GK emergency rules. Hence, the club must've done this for him to be GK3 at the very least. In my opinion, Kepa/Willy will continue to ride the bench but if Mendy goes down, but expect some non-specified injuries to afflict Kepa and Willy that same week if it does happen. 

As for Kepa, it is hard not to feel a bit sorry for him, as I do not think he actually has a attitude problem. However, at the same time he is absolute garbage and deserves to be GK4 on form. That is the reality and one that was being pointed out a while ago by a few of us on here. 

As for Cech, his last season at Le Arse made him a better GK than Willy and Kepa, so I am not really worried about using him as that was only 17 months ago. Plenty of GK2's go similar amounts of time without playing or only playing a game or two. Fitness is the only issue here but GK's do not exactly need to get through hard yards and from the looks of it he has been training since the start of the season anyway. 

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15 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Lets be honest here, Cech is not GK4. If this was the case and he is there only for injury emergencies i.e. two out of Kepa, Mendy and Willy going down, we could've registered him anyway due to the GK emergency rules.

Unless the Premier League have made adjustments to the emergency signing rule to cover for COVID-19 cases, that rule only applies if all the keepers are out injured at the same time. So, IF Mendy, Kepa and Caballero are all out due to the virus or isolation, then we can't sign any keeper as emergency and will have take someone up from the academy. 

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