Cesc Fàbregas

[the wes 7,212]

I can't see fabregas fitting in this 3-4-3 formation we might be force to sell fabregas in January transfer window 

[BoyBlue96 990]

He's done. Go(o)ner (lol). Too bad. I liked him and his creativity but he doesn't fit in 3-4-3 and if Conte switches to 3-5-2, expect Hazard as CAM on the 10 position behind the 2 strikers.

 

So long, Cesc...

[the wes 7,212]

Fabregas linked with a move away from the bridge in January transfer window 

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/11/01/ib-report-chelsea-willing-to-let-cesc-fabregas-leave-on-loan-in/

[Leif 6,006]

I'm confused. None of us are blind, and we're all good at simplifying players and their strengths/weaknesses. So, why on earth aren't we saying, hey, this guy has the exact same skillset Pirlo had, and the same weaknesses, so let's err, play him in Pirlo's position considering we're essentially using the formation he played in. 

Kante & Matic is ENOUGH defensive power for a midfield. With Fabregas BEHIND them, there is no pressure on him to be some defensive wiz, and he gets complete freedom on the ball with protection all around him, instead of being chased down by anyone with legs and not having the pace to turn away. 

He is still a great player, better than good, and it's silly to suggest he's no longer a main player before trying him in his best position. (This super deep Pirlo position is where he played during his best Arsenal days, no?) 

[Rekin 835]

I think it is for the best. I think he is incredibly talented when it comes to passing and creativity, and could potentially have enjoyed one hell of a career under say Mancini in Yaya's role at Man C. Here though he has been exposed for many, many games. He works hard, but he is just slow and lacks the positional awareness that is essential when you are a central midfielder. I would rather he is shipped away while he can still play, and that we get a hybrid instead of a specialist in the mold of Nainggolan. Matic-Kante has been solid for a few games now, but I still feel a little bit paranoid about Matic dropping off sooner or later. 

[DYC. 7,542]

12 minutes ago, Leif said:

I'm confused. None of us are blind, and we're all good at simplifying players and their strengths/weaknesses. So, why on earth aren't we saying, hey, this guy has the exact same skillset Pirlo had, and the same weaknesses, so let's err, play him in Pirlo's position considering we're essentially using the formation he played in. 

Kante & Matic is ENOUGH defensive power for a midfield. With Fabregas BEHIND them, there is no pressure on him to be some defensive wiz, and he gets complete freedom on the ball with protection all around him, instead of being chased down by anyone with legs and not having the pace to turn away. 

He is still a great player, better than good, and it's silly to suggest he's no longer a main player before trying him in his best position. (This super deep Pirlo position is where he played during his best Arsenal days, no?) 

He played there when he was very young but moved up the pitch as he got older. He played his best season for Arsenal as a #10 in 09/10. Back then Arsenal fans were yelling he's better than Lampard because he also added goals to his game (to be fair, he was truly amazing that season).

As for the Pirlo comparison, if Fabregas truly was a Pirlo clone, you'd think Conte of all managers would see it. And the Serie A isn't the PL, the Pirlo role is probably (far) less effective in English football. Besides, bar being slow and delivering precise long passes, they're not the same.

[Unionjack 7,531]

27 minutes ago, Leif said:

I'm confused. None of us are blind, and we're all good at simplifying players and their strengths/weaknesses. So, why on earth aren't we saying, hey, this guy has the exact same skillset Pirlo had, and the same weaknesses, so let's err, play him in Pirlo's position considering we're essentially using the formation he played in. 

Kante & Matic is ENOUGH defensive power for a midfield. With Fabregas BEHIND them, there is no pressure on him to be some defensive wiz, and he gets complete freedom on the ball with protection all around him, instead of being chased down by anyone with legs and not having the pace to turn away. 

He is still a great player, better than good, and it's silly to suggest he's no longer a main player before trying him in his best position. (This super deep Pirlo position is where he played during his best Arsenal days, no?) 

My thoughts exactly but wouldn't we eed to go 3-5-2?? Or 3-1-4-2?

It breaks my heart that we cant use Cescy. I used to goto Highbury if we was away just to watch him. And when he came with Diego I couldn't believe it. I threw a party. I know hes not fast just like Eden cant defend. But hes our most creative player. Stick him behind N'Golo -Matic/Chalobah and we would own the central midfield. Just like Eden he needs to be given the role hes good in, He cant go from wearing a magic fuckin hat to licking him out on loan in such a short time. Whats gonna happen if we need to alter the 3-4-3 to a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 and we dont have the players to fit it? We NEED these depth options.

I also think Luiz could play as a deep pocket play maker in front of the CBs Also maybe Chalobah..

[sir_volrath 61]

44 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

My thoughts exactly but wouldn't we eed to go 3-5-2?? Or 3-1-4-2?

It breaks my heart that we cant use Cescy. I used to goto Highbury if we was away just to watch him. And when he came with Diego I couldn't believe it. I threw a party. I know hes not fast just like Eden cant defend. But hes our most creative player. Stick him behind N'Golo -Matic/Chalobah and we would own the central midfield. Just like Eden he needs to be given the role hes good in, He cant go from wearing a magic fuckin hat to licking him out on loan in such a short time. Whats gonna happen if we need to alter the 3-4-3 to a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 and we dont have the players to fit it? We NEED these depth options.

I also think Luiz could play as a deep pocket play maker in front of the CBs Also maybe Chalobah..

I don't think Conte is ever going to go back to a 4 man defense.

So if you want to play Fabregas that only leaves the 3-1-4-1-1 with Hazard having a free role behind Costa. But do you really think our general play would improve if we trade Pedro's tireless running/pressing from the front for Cesc's vision and passing? 

 

[Unionjack 7,531]

4 minutes ago, sir_volrath said:

I don't think Conte is ever going to go back to a 4 man defense.

So if you want to play Fabregas that only leaves the 3-1-4-1-1 with Hazard having a free role behind Costa. But do you really think our general play would improve if we trade Pedro's tireless running/pressing from the front for Cesc's vision and passing? 

 

Id upgrade Pedro in a heartbeat Never been overly impressed. Hes doing what Oscar has done since we signed ihm.running round like a Jack  Russell with his top thied defending. Oscar gives his moments of genius too.

There will bound to be a time we revert to a back 4. Different formations against diff teams. Cant use same tactics in every game

[Leif 6,006]

If you take current Fabregas and plop him into the starting XI of Juventus, Barcelona or Bayern, the top teams of the moment & the past 5 years, they'd improve. Real are the only team who can't make space for him.

How is it that the best teams on earth, and every other team then surely, would play better with Fabregas onboard? They'd play better on the pitch, which is a +1, and at least maintain their current win/loss rate if not improve.

Because those teams unlike ours, are consistent in identifying who is/isn't starting XI material, an area in which we lack, resulting in Fabregas almost always playing with round blocks in square holes, and other players unperforming with him because of the same drawbacks, which affect each player to a different extent clearly.

He's a great playmaker, and no great playmaker would do well (as we've seen) with the systems we've been deploying.

Here are players who, in my opinion, were known for their passing, or were at least considered to be very solid playmakers, who then declined in that aspect once with us (in some instances to then move on, and explode): Mata, De Bruyne, Hazard (he had outstanding technique at Lille which is evidently limited right now), Salah, Willian, Fabregas. 

All attack-minded players who showed far better playmaking abilities before/after their stint with us. All of those players would be better in those teams I listed, which shows we're behind, and not ready to fully support the developments of such talented individuals (further proven by our loan system; why isn't Musonda here?)

The problem has never been the players, it has always been the systems, the management of the players, and the inconsistent player-manager-owner power.

We do not provide the environment for a player to play at his fullest potential. Fabregas will only make us miss him if he leaves, and no replacement we can bring in would be able to provide consistency better than what he can.

 

Fab for president. 

Edited November 1, 2016 by Leif

[the wes 7,212]

2 hours ago, Leif said:

I'm confused. None of us are blind, and we're all good at simplifying players and their strengths/weaknesses. So, why on earth aren't we saying, hey, this guy has the exact same skillset Pirlo had, and the same weaknesses, so let's err, play him in Pirlo's position considering we're essentially using the formation he played in. 

Kante & Matic is ENOUGH defensive power for a midfield. With Fabregas BEHIND them, there is no pressure on him to be some defensive wiz, and he gets complete freedom on the ball with protection all around him, instead of being chased down by anyone with legs and not having the pace to turn away. 

He is still a great player, better than good, and it's silly to suggest he's no longer a main player before trying him in his best position. (This super deep Pirlo position is where he played during his best Arsenal days, no?) 

I agree what your saying but u would need to change the formation till 3-5-2 to fit fabregas in but we are playing so well playing the 3-4-3 formation a system fabregas would struggle in 

[Leif 6,006]

I'll add, if Messi went to Juventus, Bayern, even Madrid or City, you'd be confident of him producing the Suarez or Aguero-like stats & performances we've seen.

Here at Chelsea? Bahaha. I don't think any of us believe we would properly accomodate him. He would not do too well. So that's my theoretical example that a player isn't necessarily bad, but the club, is actually riddled with even more problems than seems so.

This is worth the wordcount, since once Fabregas moves on, it'll suddenly be 'oh, he's among the top 10 playmakers on earth still, he'd be a bit handy.' We need to appreciate what we've got and use more scrutiny to see the real underperformers. A lot of people need shipped out sooner than Fabregas, and if they were, I doubt he'd be considered as someone we'd want to lose.

[Leif 6,006]

If the foundations of a house are not properly in place, all sorts of mess will happen, windows and doors will start falling off eventually. Do you blame the windows and the doors for being past it? 

[the wes 7,212]

51 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Id upgrade Pedro in a heartbeat Never been overly impressed.

Snap mate Mahrez or Brahimi would nice upgrade from Pedro 

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

2 hours ago, Leif said:

I'm confused. None of us are blind, and we're all good at simplifying players and their strengths/weaknesses. So, why on earth aren't we saying, hey, this guy has the exact same skillset Pirlo had, and the same weaknesses, so let's err, play him in Pirlo's position considering we're essentially using the formation he played in. 

Kante & Matic is ENOUGH defensive power for a midfield. With Fabregas BEHIND them, there is no pressure on him to be some defensive wiz, and he gets complete freedom on the ball with protection all around him, instead of being chased down by anyone with legs and not having the pace to turn away. 

He is still a great player, better than good, and it's silly to suggest he's no longer a main player before trying him in his best position. (This super deep Pirlo position is where he played during his best Arsenal days, no?) 

I've been saying this too.

I'm sure that Conte's thought of it though.  Not sure why he hasn't tried it out.  I would have thought that the League Cup was the place to give it a go.  But, he did not (obviously).

[Captain Ahmed 528]

*CF4

 

[the wes 7,212]

Chelsea want to loan out midfielder Cesc Fabregas, 29, in January. (Times - subscription required)

[Pizy 18,360]

Before its decided that he needs to go, I'd at least like to see him in a midfield 3 with Kante and Matic. Even if it's just against the likes of Hull, West Brom, Sunderland, and the rest of the relegation fodder. Surely he'd have enough protection.

I just can't imagine any of the small teams in the PL would be able to deal with a midfield with he, Kante, and Matic in it. Cesc would almost be completely free to ping it around.

Hopefully he's fully fit soon so we can give it a shot.