Closed Chelsea v Liverpool

[Zoro 151]

If we play attacking football, Liverpool will fuck us at every counter attack. They showed it yesterday against City. John Terry will be butchered by the pace of their attack.

[bushman 2,043]

he cant play pressing football. he proved it at real madrid. he couldnt press well against teams who sat deep and they depended solely on individual class. the task to play good football and be succesfull at the same time was to big of a task for Mourinho. Also he got completely outclassed by Klopp in terms of tactics especially in the first leg. Mourinho is nearly the best DEFENSIVE tactician, but offensively there are quite some people who are better ( Van Gaal, probably Pep, Heynckes, Pellegrini)

Wrong assessment. Jose plays according to his team players & of course the opposition.

[The only place to be 11,313]

he cant play pressing football. he proved it at real madrid. he couldnt press well against teams who sat deep and they depended solely on individual class. the task to play good football and be succesfull at the same time was to big of a task for Mourinho. Also he got completely outclassed by Klopp in terms of tactics especially in the first leg. Mourinho is nearly the best DEFENSIVE tactician, but offensively there are quite some people who are better ( Van Gaal, probably Pep, Heynckes, Pellegrini)

Pellegrini is just Keegan with more money. The guy can't organise a TEAM (teams defend and attack).

John Terry will be butchered by the pace of their attack.

You've won a charming carriage clock for being the one millionth person to say that in the last 12 years. Congrats.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Sunderland cannot beat Barca even if the dwarfs are two men short. Everton played with ten for most of the game, had chances, but....

Now, I must laugh at your comparison of Math to Chemist..LOL.

I see Jose as a manager who can play any type of a game, attacking, defensive...I never said Jose is perfect. No one is. I was the first one to question his summer deals. However, that has nothing to do with game tactics. Just for the last time, before we get into repetitious rounds here. Jose IS THE BEST TACTICIAN, in my opinion. Nobody comes close, I feel.

You are understanding my CRITIC WRONG, like I said being a good tactician is nothing to do with a good ATTACKING STYLE MANAGER. I am not criticizing Jose personally omg, all I am saying is his attacking aspects are not as good as his defending one. You said he could play any type of game, so that mean he is just about perfect then? But I agree we don't need to debate this anymore, the bigger problem atm is our striker who is doing everything in their power to make us not winning games.

[Namika 922]

he cant play pressing football. he proved it at real madrid. he couldnt press well against teams who sat deep and they depended solely on individual class. the task to play good football and be succesfull at the same time was to big of a task for Mourinho. Also he got completely outclassed by Klopp in terms of tactics especially in the first leg. Mourinho is nearly the best DEFENSIVE tactician, but offensively there are quite some people who are better ( Van Gaal, probably Pep, Heynckes, Pellegrini)

Nope, Ronaldo (not tracking back) and individual battles were the things that let Real Madrid down. Lewandowski scored all the half-chances he got, Real Madrid didn't score real chance (at home), that's not down to José or Klopp.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Nope, Ronaldo (not tracking back) and individual battles were the things that let Real Madrid down. Lewandowski scored all the half-chances he got, Real Madrid didn't score real chance (at home), that's not down to José or Klopp.

Dortmund also missed like 2 clear chances of their own in the 2nd leg and overall they deserve to win anyway. They also dominated Madrid in both legs in the group stage.

Pellegrini is just Keegan with more money. The guy can't organise a TEAM (teams defend and attack).

LOL, agreed scoring 6 against both Arsenal, Spurs and beating every single team so far at home this season is down to luck, nothing to do with tactic. Got no idea where you got that from, actually Malaga would have been in the semi last season if not for a last min cock up from ref last season against arguably the best team in CL at the time.

[The only place to be 11,313]

LOL, agreed scoring 6 against both Arsenal, Spurs and beating every single team so far at home this season is down to luck, nothing to do with tactic. Got no idea where you got that from, actually Malaga would have been in the semi last season if not for a last min cock up from ref last season against arguably the best team in CL at the time.

He also conceded 3 at home to Arsenal (should've been more), 2 away to Fulham, 1 away to Southampton, 2 away to West Brom, 3 away to Cardiff, 2 at the Bridge....

He's got a fantastic squad with great strikers who will bail him out. As for Malaga, if they could defend a lead for 5 minutes then they'd have gone through.

So yes, luck.

[bushman 2,043]

You are understanding my CRITIC WRONG, like I said being a good tactician is nothing to do with a good ATTACKING STYLE MANAGER. I am not criticizing Jose personally omg, all I am saying is his attacking aspects are not as good as his defending one. You said he could play any type of game, so that mean he is just about perfect then? But I agree we don't need to debate this anymore, the bigger problem atm is our striker who is doing everything in their power to make us not winning games.

Who says you criticized Jose personally ? You do not know him, therefore you cannot do that.

Now you are saying his aspect of attack is not as good as his defending one. I never compared the two. All I said, Jose can adapt to any style & play it very well, as seen already, ever the years. After all, Jose won everywhere he has been & he will outsmart any dimwit in UK.

[Toli 977]

Pellegrini is just Keegan with more money. The guy can't organise a TEAM (teams defend and attack).

You've won a charming carriage clock for being the one millionth person to say that in the last 12 years. Congrats.

he cant organise a team? look at villareal. they were brilliant. With Real Madrid he had no faith from Perez and Perez wanted to sack him. he wasnt bad at all, considering he had no say in the transfers and had to build a complete new team.

Pellegrini is a brilliant coach and everbody who followed the Spanish League knows it.

@bushman well look at Madrid...they definetely have the squad to play different than Mou did with them. he couldnt implement any philosophy beside counter-attacking football. he is limited in his tactical approach, as every coach probably is. he is a defensive master and can counter-attack well, but he doesnt knows anything about pressing or organizing an attack when the opponent is sitting deep.

@Namika it aint jut to Ronaldo not tracking back. Klopp perfectly used the weaknesses of Madrid (man targeted Xabi, pressed high and played with no fear). futhermore he beat Mourinho even in the group stage. Dortmund was clearly better all around in this meetings. Mou had no clue how to cope with Dortmunds pressing and their tactical approach.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

He also conceded 3 at home to Arsenal (should've been more), 2 away to Fulham, 1 away to Southampton, 2 away to West Brom, 3 away to Cardiff, 2 at the Bridge....

He's got a fantastic squad with great strikers who will bail him out. As for Malaga, if they could defend a lead for 5 minutes then they'd have gone through.

So yes, luck.

If we scored 5 on our own and conceded 3 every match that would be the best thing that ever happened to Chelsea. I can live with that instead of 1-0 grinding win like yesterday. Yes but like I said Malaga was fucked over by the ref in the last second, unless you are saying that conceding that 1st goal of the 2 goals needed were a mistake?

But anyway at least City beat Liverpool yesterday(through a bit of luck and ref again), can we do it on Sunday?

[The only place to be 11,313]

he cant organise a team? look at villareal. they were brilliant. With Real Madrid he had no faith from Perez and Perez wanted to sack him. he wasnt bad at all, considering he had no say in the transfers and had to build a complete new team.

Pellegrini is a brilliant coach and everbody who followed the Spanish League knows it.

He's 59 and won fuck all. Thank god we didn't end up with him.

If we scored 5 on our own and conceded 3 every match that would be the best thing that ever happened to Chelsea. I can live with that instead of 1-0 grinding win like yesterday.

You're going to have to show me the part of the table where it says how you won a game. You still get 3 points for a win and to be honest I could give a fuck what fans like you want from a team. You bitched and moaned after the Arsenal game when the vast majority of supporters saw what a good point that was in context. Just change your name to BluePellegriniKing and go to Bluemoon.

But anyway at least City beat Liverpool yesterday(through a bit of luck and ref again), can we do it on Sunday?

Of course we can.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Who says you criticized Jose personally ? You do not know him, therefore you cannot do that.

Now you are saying his aspect of attack is not as good as his defending one. I never compared the two. All I said, Jose can adapt to any style & play it very well, as seen already, ever the years. After all, Jose won everywhere he has been & he will outsmart any dimwit in UK.

So now you have turned pro-Jose? So basically for you what is wrong with Jose now? or is he the perfect manager atm and cannot do anything else to improve. Yes he is one of the greatest manager in history but even he has faults, everyone does and everyone can improve.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

He's 59 and won fuck all. Thank god we didn't end up with him.

You're going to have to show me the part of the table where it says how you won a game. You still get 3 points for a win and to be honest I could give a fuck what fans like you want from a team. You bitched and moaned after the Arsenal game when the vast majority of supporters saw what a good point that was in context. Just change your name to BluePellegriniKing and go to Bluemoon.

Because he has been managing teams like Malaga, equipvalent of Everton in England. LOL GETTING THEM INTO THE CL is an achievement in the 1st place, let alone winning it. Does everyone have to be winning trophies after trophies like Simione atm to be considered 'good' by you?

Basically you are happy with a win no matter what, so even if we score 1 and limit opponents to like 2 shots for the rest of the match and we just stay 10 men in our own half, that would be fine too. Is that what you called entertainment? And lol at the latter post, typical response that is so predictable, you cannot see anything beyond Chelsea.

[Toli 977]

He's 59 and won fuck all. Thank god we didn't end up with him.

You're going to have to show me the part of the table where it says how you won a game. You still get 3 points for a win and to be honest I could give a fuck what fans like you want from a team. You bitched and moaned after the Arsenal game when the vast majority of supporters saw what a good point that was in context. Just change your name to BluePellegriniKing and go to Bluemoon.

Of course we can.

Yeah because he trained Villareal for a lot of years, like its possible to win with them anything. he got with them to the CL HF and lost only on penalties. you have no clue about him and thats evident.

Well if you dont care about the HOW, than its your thing. I care. change your name to MourinhoIsGodandCandoEverything and go to Mourinho Fanboard. If you only watch football for the winning, well, much fun to you. Of course winning is the most important part, but Abramovich didnt spend tons of millions on players like Hazard and Mata and Co, to park the bus and wait for the coutner-attack. he wanted US to dominate the game. the whole world laughed at our win against Bayern, because they literally raped us in this game and we was lucky not to concede 2 or 3 goals. Of course we as a fans didnt care much, but I think everyone in this board would find it more enjoyable to win the title by playing good and not by mostly luck.

B2t: I would be happy with a point in this game tbh. Pool are better than we are at the moment and without Ramires, I cant see us going to attack them without getting exposed. Should take the Arsenal approach and wait for our chances. A loss has to be prevented at any cost.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Yeah because he trained Villareal for a lot of years, like its possible to win with them anything. he got with them to the CL HF and lost only on penalties. you have no clue about him and thats evident.

Well if you dont care about the HOW, than its your thing. I care. change your name to MourinhoIsGodandCandoEverything and go to Mourinho Fanboard. If you only watch football for the winning, well, much fun to you. Of course winning is the most important part, but Abramovich didnt spend tons of millions on players like Hazard and Mata and Co, to park the bus and wait for the coutner-attack. he wanted US to dominate the game. the whole world laughed at our win against Bayern, because they literally raped us in this game and we was lucky not to concede 2 or 3 goals. Of course we as a fans didnt care much, but I think everyone in this board would find it more enjoyable to win the title by playing good and not by mostly luck.

B2t: I would be happy with a point in this game tbh. Pool are better than we are at the moment and without Ramires, I cant see us going to attack them without getting exposed. Should take the Arsenal approach and wait for our chances. A loss has to be prevented at any cost.

Perfect post, summed up the whole argument in a paragraph.

[bushman 2,043]

So now you have turned pro-Jose? So basically for you what is wrong with Jose now? or is he the perfect manager atm and cannot do anything else to improve. Yes he is one of the greatest manager in history but even he has faults, everyone does and everyone can improve.

Come on Blue...don´t try to twist it around. I never doubted Jose ability to manage teams, it´s impeccable. The only thing I ever questioned was his summer dealings.

Can I blame Jose on his tactics now ? No, I can not & I won´t. His tactics are master pieces. Can he improve ? Perhaps, he can ?

I just do not know how. I am not good enough or should even attempt to do it. Wrong person to ask it here. You will never see any lineups, stats or tactics from me. I am happy to watch Chelsea playing a good football & winning. Most of the times, I had not been happy in certain games. However, it boils down to Chelsea´s jerkiness of not converting on their clear chances. Otherwise, I am fairly happy to see this team two points off the top & playing unconvincingly.

[Cosmin 2,484]

Is this the Chelsea v. Liverpool thread or the Mourinho thread?

[The Skipper 20,609]

You've won a charming carriage clock for being the one millionth person to say that in the last 12 years. Congrats.

The 'JT will get shredded by pace' facade is so stupid. JTs positional play is still world class so it doesn't matter.

[The Skipper 20,609]

We have to play Luiz on Sunday to counter Suarez IMO. If Luiz has a good game Suarez can be controlled. Cahill would get shredded by Suarez due to his nature of backing off.

[haranr 485]

LETS WIN THIS!!!!!!!!!! COMON CHELSEA!!