The Ancelotti Thread

[Jase 43,479]

Don't really understand why, though. Perez's Real is known to impatient with their managers.

Sometimes one do wonder if Perez should be removed from the club instead, rather than the managers.

[Tomo 21,751]

It's clear the thinking behind Rafas appointment.

They see the success Barca have had with Catalans in charge and want similar success with a Madristian.

[Jase 43,479]

It's clear the thinking behind Rafas appointment.

They see the success Barca have had with Catalans in charge and want similar success with a Madristian.

Who they would probably kick out if he doesn't win the La Liga or Champions League next season.

[Tomo 21,751]

He brings trophies. Thats what Real Madrid want. No trophy you are gone. Same with Chelsea. Unlike other teams like Arsenal and Liverpool that are content with 4th place.

Mourinho wins Copa Del Rey in first season, La Liga in second season. Nothing in third season, he is sacked. No trophies, no work. thats the Madrid way.

Actually I don't think it's "like us" at all. All our sackings have ran a lot deeper than failing to win trophies.

And im sure Real would love to reclaim dominance of the domestic league and Rafa and Carlo are not the type of manager's for that, Ancelottis team's have a habit of getting complacent at very inappropriate times and Rafas habit of too much rotation tends to kill off his team's title chances.

[magic weeds 446]

Actually I don't think it's "like us" at all. All our sackings have ran a lot deeper than failing to win trophies.

And im sure Real would love to reclaim dominance of the domestic league and Rafa and Carlo are not the type of manager's for that, Ancelottis team's have a habit of getting complacent at very inappropriate times and Rafas habit of too much rotation tends to kill off his team's title chances.

Tomo, I think since Mourinho left, this has been the trend:

Avram Grant - took us to the final of the champions league, no trophy - consequence SACKED

Luiz Scolari - the worst manager in the Abramovic era, - consequence SACKED

Gus Hiddink - Only at Chelsea from February to May, won FA Cup. end of Contract.

Carlo Ancelotti - Fantastic football in the first year, won the double. Second year was a disaster, no trophy - consequence SACKED

Villas Boas - Tried something new at the club, terrible results - consequence SACKED

Roberto Di Matteo - Stepped in to save our season, won the CL, stayed on. Next season things went terribly wrong - consequence SACKED

Rafa Benitez - Stepped in to save our season, did great despite all the hate he got. Won us the Europa, but due to his unpopularity, compounded with the fact that the SPECIAL ONE was avalible, its a no brainer. He deservedly left.

Offcourse all of you know all these, but I find no difference with what has been happening at Real Madrid, or any other big club.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Who they would probably kick out if he doesn't win the La Liga or Champions League next season.

He won't win Liga. Everybody knows that him and Ancelotti are cup managers. I think, actually, that the last time Rafa won a league title was with Valencia in 2003.

To be fair to Perez, though, Atletico Madrid were only a man missing from the post away from winning the CL. Maybe that was a factor, but I doubt somebody could seriously sack someone over a maybe.

To those drawing the Abra-Perez comparison, it's different. Perez is merely a chairman, while Abramovich fully owns the club, therefore he can do what he wishes.

[Tomo 21,751]

Tomo, I think since Mourinho left, this has been the trend:

Avram Grant - took us to the final of the champions league, no trophy - consequence SACKED

Luiz Scolari - the worst manager in the Abramovic era, - consequence SACKED

Gus Hiddink - Only at Chelsea from February to May, won FA Cup. end of Contract.

Carlo Ancelotti - Fantastic football in the first year, won the double. Second year was a disaster, no trophy - consequence SACKED

Villas Boas - Tried something new at the club, terrible results - consequence SACKED

Roberto Di Matteo - Stepped in to save our season, won the CL, stayed on. Next season things went terribly wrong - consequence SACKED

Rafa Benitez - Stepped in to save our season, did great despite all the hate he got. Won us the Europa, but due to his unpopularity, compounded with the fact that the SPECIAL ONE was avalible, its a no brainer. He deservedly left.

Offcourse all of you know all these, but I find no difference with what has been happening at Real Madrid, or any other big club.

Ok fair enough but this is how I see the sackings.

Grant was gone either way, he has been shown to be clueless at West Ham.

Scolari was sacked because he had one plan and as soon as Rafa set the blueprint on how to stop us he had no plan b and the performances got worse and our top 4 place was at stake, the only mistake Roman made was not doing it at Christmas because with more time aswell games vs United and Liverpool Hiddink might have recovered the title.

Ancelotti it was how we performed in the second season as much as anything for me, we were dreadful, static, turgid, no inspiration, no flair and Carlo sat there and done nothing to turn those displays around.

AVB, Roman didn't want to sack him but the dressing room was so far against him he had little choice.

RDM in his interim spell was amazing but the full time job was a different kettle of fish and in my opinion too much for him.

Trophies won/lost may have some bearing, but I think performances and how the manager is evolving the team is massively the consideration too, in fact wasn't it rumoured Carlo was gone even if we somehow managed to get the title in 2011?

[Madmax 9,219]

I think long timers here may well remember the huge rant I went on after Carlo was sacked but that 10-11 season was just incredibly turgid. I don't ever want to revisit the days of Zhirkov in midfield and Malouda/Anelka/Kalou wide. Literally the only positive of that godforsaken season was Josh ... and even he's in terrible shape right now. Sigh.

[magic weeds 446]

Ok fair enough but this is how I see the sackings.

Grant was gone either way, he has been shown to be clueless at West Ham.

Scolari was sacked because he had one plan and as soon as Rafa set the blueprint on how to stop us he had no plan b and the performances got worse and our top 4 place was at stake, the only mistake Roman made was not doing it at Christmas because with more time aswell games vs United and Liverpool Hiddink might have recovered the title.

Ancelotti it was how we performed in the second season as much as anything for me, we were dreadful, static, turgid, no inspiration, no flair and Carlo sat there and done nothing to turn those displays around.

AVB, Roman didn't want to sack him but the dressing room was so far against him he had little choice.

RDM in his interim spell was amazing but the full time job was a different kettle of fish and in my opinion too much for him.

Trophies won/lost may have some bearing, but I think performances and how the manager is evolving the team is massively the consideration too, in fact wasn't it rumoured Carlo was gone even if we somehow managed to get the title in 2011?

+1

But as I said before, its the second season syndrome for Ancelotti. The teams tend to be static, no inspiration and lack focus.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Going to say it now that Ancelotti will not be at Madrid next season, he is getting sacked this season. That team is going to struggle defensively mightly. Early season sturggle, unbalnaced squad and Carlo weak league resume is enough for me make that predicition.

I don't know if it was his decision to allow Alonso, Lopez and Di maria to leave, but having no backbone to stand against Flo is no excuse either.

[Tomo 21,751]

I think long timers here may well remember the huge rant I went on after Carlo was sacked but that 10-11 season was just incredibly turgid. I don't ever want to revisit the days of Zhirkov in midfield and Malouda/Anelka/Kalou wide. Literally the only positive of that godforsaken season was Josh ... and even he's in terrible shape right now. Sigh.

Luiz aswell, after that City game I thought he was going to revolutionise the CB position

Speaking off Malouda I wouldn't mind an 09-10 Malouda in this squad, could have played if Hazard needes rest and give Eden a chance to play on the right, also he can play in CM in a 4-3-3 which would have come in handy.

With Carlo my heart was saying give him another season but my head was saying we need a change (and back then I was more a heart poster which meant I made some long defences for Carlo myself).

[blu35_army 551]

at least roman has changed his habit to sacked manager to stabilized one. i hope the long term project with Mou is really true...

[Tomo 21,751]

at least roman has changed his habit to sacked manager to stabilized one. i hope the long term project with Mou is really true...

Roman quite clearly wanted managerial stability just like the fans, were we (in general) and him were different is we were prepared to give any Tom, Dick or Harry time for the sake of stability whereas Roman wanted it with the right man, which wasn't any of the manager's he sacked.

[Victor Von Doom 258]

Apparently this raised an eyebrow across the world of football.

The way this went straight over @CurlyHairLikeLuiz & @Jason's heads LOL

[Special Juan 28,141]

The way this went straight over @CurlyHairLikeLuiz & @Jason's heads LOL

[lionsden 4,689]

Ok fair enough but this is how I see the sackings.

Grant was gone either way, he has been shown to be clueless at West Ham.

Scolari was sacked because he had one plan and as soon as Rafa set the blueprint on how to stop us he had no plan b and the performances got worse and our top 4 place was at stake, the only mistake Roman made was not doing it at Christmas because with more time aswell games vs United and Liverpool Hiddink might have recovered the title.

Ancelotti it was how we performed in the second season as much as anything for me, we were dreadful, static, turgid, no inspiration, no flair and Carlo sat there and done nothing to turn those displays around.

AVB, Roman didn't want to sack him but the dressing room was so far against him he had little choice.

RDM in his interim spell was amazing but the full time job was a different kettle of fish and in my opinion too much for him.

Trophies won/lost may have some bearing, but I think performances and how the manager is evolving the team is massively the consideration too, in fact wasn't it rumoured Carlo was gone even if we somehow managed to get the title in 2011?

Whatever you think of Avram grant, his performance definitely didn't warrant a dismissal. He reached the UCL final, which we were unlucky not to win and pushed united right down the wire for the title. His contract wasn't renewed because he lacked the personality, aura and appeal of a top manager more than anything imo. But from a purely objective standpoint, he should have been kept on as manager.

[Tomo 21,751]

Whatever you think of Avram grant, his performance definitely didn't warrant a dismissal. He reached the UCL final, which we were unlucky not to win and pushed united right down the wire for the title. His contract wasn't renewed because he lacked the personality, aura and appeal of a top manager more than anything imo. But from a purely objective standpoint, he should have been kept on as manager.

Your right in terms of the results but maybe Roman felt that he had a lot of help with our squad being full off experienced serial winners at a good age and he saw that Avram might struggle when he has to build his own team, like we saw at WHU.

Sometimes manager's don't get sacked because they are doing bad, they get sacked because they don't believe he can evolve the team or there's a better option avaliable, both were the case when Saints replaced Adkins with Poch for example.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

TIME FOR HIM TO RETURN.

[zakhov 253]

TIME FOR HIM TO RETURN.

Then after 2 years or so, the "Bad Moment" will return as well. And we'll be repeating this same vicious cycle.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Then after 2 years or so, the "Bad Moment" will return as well. And we'll be repeating this same vicious cycle.

It is not a cycle it is the norm, no top level manager lasts more than 3 years at a top a club anymore, Wenger is the last man standing and once he retires/leaves it will be over forever.