🇧🇷 Willian

[Sheva. 5,373]

Manchester City had to let go of 2 of their 4 strikers

Only to buy 2 more.

[Jase 43,479]

Only to buy 2 more.

Don't know why people keep on thinking Jovetic is a striker. He's not. He's more of a player that operates out wide on the LW and coming inside or plays behind the ST. Jovetic is not an out-and-out striker like Dzeko, Aguero and Negredo are at City.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Only to buy 2 more.

Yes, 2 more that will not be as expensive and demand that much attention nor have big egos, because City learned their lesson!!!

Negredo knows he is a backup and Jovetic is actually very versatile and young...

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Rules of work permits are explained here - http://www.internationalworkpermits.com/football-players-work-permits.html

Sounds like he might miss out on one??

[Sheva. 5,373]

Don't know why people keep on thinking Jovetic is a striker. He's not. He's more of a player that operates out wide on the LW and coming inside or plays behind the ST. Jovetic is not an out-and-out striker like Dzeko, Aguero and Negredo are at City.

Because he's a striker, he played every game as that last season with Fiorentina. Man city play 2 strikers, he will have the 'creator' role whenever he plays with Aguero, Dzeko or Negredo. Just like Tevez, literally no difference.

Yes, 2 more that will not be as expensive and demand that much attention nor have big egos, because City learned their lesson!!!

Negredo knows he is a backup and Jovetic is actually very versatile and young...

So they spent 23m on Negredo, a backup, so how exactly is that different from Willian? who will actually start.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Yeah mate. having 4 strikers sure didn't help Man city and United battle for the PL alone for more than half of the season...

Oscar/De Bruyne are versatile and can occupy center midfield. we play 60 games a season. last year we were playing 2 times a week for more than half of the season. we had to play Luiz in CM and Bertrand/Ramires as a left/right wingers ffs...

We're building squad depth here. you really think we would sell our best player/fans favorite Mata? based on what? newsflash mate: we're not a selling club.

The team comes before any players little heart gets hurt for not playing. deal with it.

At most we will play 60 games if we reach the finals of all competitions which we all know is rather unrealistic

[Badboy 1,526]

I think Oscar could be doomed. I know Chelsea football club.... when Chelsea sign a player for 30 million they make sure he gets games no matter how bad he is. Mata and Hazard are on a another planet the only player who I can see being replaced is Oscar....

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

If we are goin to go around spending 30 million for fun why dont we buy a striker like Martinez or an actual defensive mid like Kondogbia, Pogba or even a defender like Mangala all areas which we need improvement and we suffered from last season this area was not our problem at all it was our strong point actually. Also the guy is 25 years and not getting any younger which is a move away from our new policy of recruiting young. lets say we just wanted to troll spurs why did we not move for Lamela instead who is younger and cheaper?? We could have even offered Demba Ba as a sweetener to the deal

[Jase 43,479]

Because he's a striker, he played every game as that last season with Fiorentina. Man city play 2 strikers, he will have the 'creator' role whenever he plays with Aguero, Dzeko or Negredo. Just like Tevez, literally no difference.

Not sure if you have actually watched him closely or just going by classification. Like you alluded to there, he's a creator and not a striker, not like Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo or even Tevez. And that's because Tevez is a striker to begin with and one that can score the goals as well as create.

[Rmpr 8,977]

So they spent 23m on Negredo, a backup, so how exactly is that different from Willian? who will actually start.

How can you not see the difference?

They actually needed another option, even if they overpayed for it. They didnt already had four options for 2 spots and bought a fifth one...

We had a very nice set of attacking players, one that could have cery well taken us to the top of the league. Now, we had 7 players for 3 spots!

My problem is not even Willian, price, time, etc. My problem is the fact we spent the whole season saying how weak our pivot and strike force were and how badly we needed an upgrade, but Chelsea allowed every little option on the market in those positions to pass in front of us. Then, on top of that, we invested 18mi on Schurrle and brought back KDB for what? To have to spend another 30mi on Willian?

I do think Willian will make us better, that is not what I am questioning. I am tackling other things. It is the same when we discussed over Brazil doing the World Cup, I dont think the event itself is a bad thing, but there should be priorities and the right time to do or invest in certain areas.

Anyways, I am tired of discussing, I already expressed all of my opinions and concerns. All I can do now is wait for us to announce him, laugh at Spuds, hope Mourinho is doing it right and that the lack of a proper DM or ST dont end with our season.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

"I am not drawing comparisons between the two players and their abilities/capacities [...]"

I solely point out some similarities in regard of one aspect of the deal(s). The comparisons end there. The sole parallel between both players is their role in both stories — not regarding their abilities or capacities.

I know, I know, I was just teasing you

[Sheva. 5,373]

Not sure if you have actually watched him closely or just going by classification. Like you alluded to there, he's a creator and not a striker, not like Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo or even Tevez. And that's because Tevez is a striker to begin with and one that can score the goals as well as create.

Jovetic is a striker. The type Mourinho was talking about, that can play between the lines. He scores goals and creates, like Tevez or Rooney.

How can you not see the difference?

They actually needed another option, even if they overpayed for it. They didnt already had four options for 2 spots and bought a fifth one...

My problem is not even Willian, price, time, etc. My problem is the fact I (and everyone) spent the whole season saying how weak our pivot and strike force were and how badly we needed an upgrade, but Chelsea let every little option on the market pass in fron of us. Then, on top of that, we invested 18mi on Schurrle and brought back KDB for what? To have to spend another 30mi on Willian?

I do think Willian will make us better, that is not what I am questioning. It is the same when we discussed over Brazil doing the World Cup, not that the event itself is a bad thing; but there should be priorities and right time to do or invest in certain issues.

Anyways, I am tired of discussing, I already expressed all my opinions and concerns. All I can do now is wait for us to announce him, laugh at Spuds and hope Mourinho is doing it right and the lack of a proper DM or ST dont end with our season.

We bought MVG for 9m, he needs time to get settled, but i believe Pat Nevin it was who said, he will be starting every game in 2 months time. And Mourinho has repeatedly said we will buy a striker, so no need to worry.

[Jase 43,479]

Jovetic is a striker. The type Mourinho was talking about, that can play between the lines. He scores goals and creates, like Tevez or Rooney.

If you look at Jovetic's goalscoring record, it's hardly a lot like you would expect from a typical goalscorer/ST like Tevez or Rooney..

[Sheva. 5,373]

If you look at Jovetic's goalscoring record, it's hardly a lot like you would expect from a typical goalscorer/ST like Tevez or Rooney..

If there's a team who use 4-4-2 with 2 players upfront. There will obviously be one of them who drops off the other like Jovetic does, so isn't that player still a striker?

And Tevez scored 17 goals in that withdrawn role last season, not much different from Jovetic.

[communicate 2,703]

Don't know why people keep on thinking Jovetic is a striker. He's not. He's more of a player that operates out wide on the LW and coming inside or plays behind the ST. Jovetic is not an out-and-out striker like Dzeko, Aguero and Negredo are at City.

He is not really a out and out striker but, he can play as main striker and he is actually a very good option for us.

The only problem with jovetic is that he tends to get injured a lot.

[Jase 43,479]

If there's a team who use 4-4-2 with 2 players upfront. There will obviously be one of them who drops off the other like Jovetic does, so isn't that player still a striker?

Just because Jovetic drops off the other ST in a 4-4-2 for example, it doesn't mean he's actually one. A formation stated is just that, a formation. Teams are always flexible and play differently to what the formation suggests. For instance, Mata played quite close to our ST last season most of the time to create chances for them (and others) and score himself too but would you consider him as a striker? No. He's still a No.10 or CAM playing further forward in the final third.

All of this is basically just the role or responsibility. It's not necessarily their primary playing position or one of it.

And Tevez scored 17 goals in that withdrawn role last season, not much different from Jovetic.

You are only looking at one season when Tevez has been playing that role for many seasons now and still score the goals over a few seasons.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Just because Jovetic drops off the other ST in a 4-4-2 for example, it doesn't mean he's actually one. A formation stated is just that, a formation. Teams are always flexible and play differently to what the formation suggests. For instance, Mata played quite close to our ST last season most of the time to create chances for them (and others) and score himself too but would you consider him as a striker? No. He's still a No.10 or CAM playing further forward in the final third.

All of this is basically just the role or responsibility. It's not necessarily their primary playing position or one of it.

You are only looking at one season when Tevez has been playing that role for many seasons now and still score the goals over a few seasons.

So is Jovetic a CAM then? This is a pointless argument, he's a striker who's versatile enough to play upfront alone, with another striker, or as an inside forward.

As for Tevez, yeah he's a better goalscorer than Jovetic, but that's an area i'm sure he knows he can improve on.

[Barbara 15,149]

"I am not drawing comparisons between the two players and their abilities/capacities [...]"

I solely point out some similarities in regard of one aspect of the deal(s). The comparisons end there. The sole parallel between both players is their role in both stories — not regarding their abilities or capacities.

which was pretty obvious from your first post, tbh I don't even bother to write certain kind of posts anymore. I also agree with what Muzchap said much earlier in the thread... discussions derail, words are twisted, and the rubbish is growing as well as stupid discussions.

Anyway, I understood your point and I actually agree...

And comparing the amount of matches in Europe with the amount of matches in Brazil is nonsense... maybe that's one of the reasons why teams use reserves (and sometimes even youth players) in the minor competitions in detriment to the final stages of bigger ones, they use the state championships basically as pre-season (we don't have pre-season matches here) and also why the quality is so bad even now that the clubs actually have more money spend, not to mention the high number of injuries... or how much of a joke is comparing the physicality of EPL to the competitions we have here [it's laughable] (not that it had anything to do with your post, but it's among one of the things I've read and wanted to address).

I stopped reading Rooney's thread weeks ago, and although this one is quite new (the thread is old, the discussion is new), I feel like I already read it all. The same petty arguments have been dragged to exhaustion. I'm not taking away anyone's right to agree or disagree with the signing, but the way the same thing is repeated exhaustedly is sort of tiring. You click on the thread hoping to find some discussion about how the player could be used, alternatives, formations, etc... but it's the same discussion again.

I do hope once the deal is confirmed and it becomes a current squad player thread the discussion about why we shouldn't have signed him doesn't carry on. Of course it will though.

[didierforever 7,349]

just one thing - IS THE DEAL DONE?

[Peace. 4,352]

Yeah, but now Rooney wants out.

Rooney is a grumpy person who's acting sulky because things doen't go the way he'd like. And if I'm not mistaken, he is a player who has already held his club to ransom twice. Moreover, we tend to see this issue through the sportive aspect — I believe his unhappiness has deeper roots than just him not having enough playing time.

As I aforementioned, Rooney has twice held Manchester to ransom. Both times Ferguson had to bow before him because he was their most important player and he couldn't afford to let him go. I firmly believe when Ferguson got the dutchman, it was pay-back time. Ferguson promptly gave the main Role to van Persie ; then Ferguson symbolically benched Rooney for their most important match of the season ; finally he gave the last blow by publicly stating that Rooney as handed a trasfer request, which eventually gave birth to that saga.

On the second hand, van Persie, as well as becoming their main asset on the field, became their star. He replaced Rooney both at a sportive level and at a symbolic level. Rooney has been pushed on the side ; and, as the images of him being alone while his team mates were celebrating the goal(s) they scored against Swansea may suggest, he could be ostracised.

It's a tricky and complex affair. We don't have such unrests happening in the backstage.