Marco van Ginkel

[didierforever 7,349]

Stupidity. So playing in the Dutch league basically means you're injury prone to you then. Great.

what exactly did you read to reach that conclusion?

its getting beyond ridiculous to see what conclusions people reach to just defend their favourites.

i was saying that the dutch league or the dutch reserves and youth league is no where near as physical or physically demanding as the PL.

[robsblubot 3,508]

Get him back and start a long-term strengthening program before it's too late.

He's got too much potential to risk further injuries.

He will only be able to get playing time if he remains injury-free long enough.

[didierforever 7,349]

"Bad tackle? Nah son, he just injury prone that's all" - Didierforever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMBFiMQ4Pg0

not one of them is a bad tackle in there, is it? but how many times has CR or messi or neymar or robben been injured compared to reus.

or wait, do people only tackle reus and mvg in the whole of footballing world?

but no no,reus is not injury prone. he is "just unlucky" with injuries. genius.

[The Skipper 20,593]

what exactly did you read to reach that conclusion?

its getting beyond ridiculous to see what conclusions people reach to just defend their favourites.

i was saying that the dutch league or the dutch reserves and youth league is no where near as physical or physically demanding as the PL.

I'm not defending MVG, just find it stupid that you're trying to use the fact that the Dutch league isn't as physical as the PL as a reason why MVG shouldn't have been signed.

[didierforever 7,349]

I'm not defending MVG, just find it stupid that you're trying to use the fact that the Dutch league isn't as physical as the PL as a reason why MVG shouldn't have been signed.

Sure since he made his debut when he was 16 or 17 years old, he has been injured frequently for maybe a combined total of 7 months out of 5 years? So yeah is he 'injury prone' then, is he really? No he is not. It is a bullshit opinion and I think I also seen you post in the Reus thread that Reus is also injury prone too when in reality he really isn't.

playing in the dutch youth and dutch reserves and the dutch league requires the same level of physicality and rigours as playing in PL? same level of competitiveness? But I won't want to come between your delusions of grandeur!!!

He is not injury prone at all. He is a machine. Infact has he ever got injured? I don't remember!!! Also reus is not at all injury prone, he just "keeps getting injured".

the discussion was about if he is injury prone or not? i really dont know what you are reading?

[The Skipper 20,593]

Sure since he made his debut when he was 16 or 17 years old, he has been injured frequently for maybe a combined total of 7 months out of 5 years? So yeah is he 'injury prone' then, is he really? No he is not. It is a bullshit opinion and I think I also seen you post in the Reus thread that Reus is also injury prone too when in reality he really isn't.

playing in the dutch youth and dutch reserves and the dutch league requires the same level of physicality and rigours as playing in PL? same level of competitiveness? But I won't want to come between your delusions of grandeur!!!

He is not injury prone at all. He is a machine. Infact has he ever got injured? I don't remember!!! Also reus is not at all injury prone, he just "keeps getting injured".

the discussion was about if he is injury prone or not? i really dont know what you are reading?

I've been reading. Your argument was that we shouldn't sign injury prone players, then people mentioned that he wasn't injury prone in NL and then you brought up the stupid physicality thing. It doesn't make sense pal, give up.

[didierforever 7,349]

I've been reading. Your argument was that we shouldn't sign injury prone players, then people mentioned that he wasn't injury prone in NL and then you brought up the stupid physicality thing. It doesn't make sense pal, give up.

http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/16365-marco-van-ginkel/?p=1025616

my first post which actually created all this ruckus. and you can go on and on, and actually see that i stick with the injury prone theme!!! but continue "reading" whatever you are "reading".

infact except for the one post where i replied to iseah about not signing players "who have no future with us" (in which i actually do not include injury prone as an excuse)(http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/16365-marco-van-ginkel/?p=1025746)

also, i actually give up!!!

[The Skipper 20,593]

my problem is that i would like us to stop buying such players who have no future with us and rather give chances to the youth.

secondly, the fuck is your problem? if you have a problem with what i said, then argue about it rather than abusing!!

What were you trying to insinuate with this post then?

[dee25 1,044]

not one of them is a bad tackle in there, is it? but how many times has CR or messi or neymar or robben been injured compared to reus.

or wait, do people only tackle reus and mvg in the whole of footballing world?

but no no,reus is not injury prone. he is "just unlucky" with injuries. genius.

Out for about 2 months.

Missed 8 matches

There was also the injury he sustained against Real Madrid in the Copa Dey final that kept him out for about a month. Even as I type this, he's out injured.

Honestly, the fact that you're using clips of Neymar and Messi, who both endured an injury ridden season last year, as some justification for your argument just signifies that you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. But from what I've seen, you tend to argue about topics that it's CLEAR as day to everyone that you're talking out of your ass. I'll never forget you so confidently declaring that Real Madrid are shit only for them to go and win the Champions League. Like seriously, who are you trying to kid?

If you don't rate MVG then just come right out and say so rather than making nonsensical claims. We both know you're talking bullshit.

[didierforever 7,349]

What were you trying to insinuate with this post then?

i did edit my post. read back!! also, tell me when i used injury prone as an excuse not to buy him?? infact tell me another instance of where i say this since you think main point is not injury prone!!!

[didierforever 7,349]

Out for about 2 months.

Missed 8 matches

There was also the injury he sustained against Real Madrid in the Copa Dey final that kept him out for about a month. Even as I type this, he's out injured.

Honestly, the fact that you're using clips of Neymar and Messi, who both endured an injury ridden season last year, as some justification for your argument just signifies that you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. But from what I've seen, you tend to argue about topics that it's CLEAR as day to everyone that you're talking out of your ass. I'll never forget you so confidently declaring that Real Madrid are shit only for them to go and win the Champions League. Like seriously, who are you trying to kid?

If you don't rate MVG then just come right out and say so rather than making nonsensical claims. We both know you're talking bullshit.

a 31 year old footballer has had a couple of injuries where he missed 8 matches compared to reus who has been more time injured and on the medical table in the last couple of years than on the field is equaivalent? also, how many injuries has messi had compared to rues?

14/15 Torn Ankle Ligament Nov 23, 2014 Jan 19, 2015 57 days 7 14/15 Nov 10, 2014 Nov 18, 2014 8 days - 14/15 Raptured Ankle Ligament Sep 8, 2014 Oct 6, 2014 28 days 7 13/14 Jun 7, 2014 Aug 14, 2014 68 days 1 13/14 muscular problems Mar 8, 2014 Mar 20, 2014 12 days 5 13/14 Feb 8, 2014 Feb 17, 2014 9 days 5 13/14 Bruise on ankle Dec 1, 2013 Dec 6, 2013 5 days 1 13/14 Intraarticular ligament crack initiation in ankle joint Oct 5, 2013 Oct 15, 2013 10 days 2 13/14 Abdominal Influenza Sep 8, 2013 Sep 11, 2013 3 days - 13/14 Aug 12, 2013 Aug 13, 2013 1 days - 12/13 muscular problems Apr 12, 2013 Apr 17, 2013 5 days 1 12/13 Strained Abdominal Muscle Apr 5, 2013 Apr 8, 2013 3 days 1 12/13 tear in the abductor muscle Feb 4, 2013 Feb 8, 2013 4 days - 12/13 Sep 11, 2012 Sep 14, 2012 3 days

this being his injury record in the last 2 seasons.

for someone who think GC is just a squad player, i sure you know more about talking bullshit than anyone on here.

[iseah100 5,612]

a 31 year old footballer has had a couple of injuries where he missed 8 matches compared to reus who has been more time injured and on the medical table in the last couple of years than on the field is equaivalent? also, how many injuries has messi had compared to rues?

14/15 Torn Ankle Ligament Nov 23, 2014 Jan 19, 2015 57 days 7 14/15 Nov 10, 2014 Nov 18, 2014 8 days - 14/15 Raptured Ankle Ligament Sep 8, 2014 Oct 6, 2014 28 days 7 13/14 Jun 7, 2014 Aug 14, 2014 68 days 1 13/14 muscular problems Mar 8, 2014 Mar 20, 2014 12 days 5 13/14 Feb 8, 2014 Feb 17, 2014 9 days 5 13/14 Bruise on ankle Dec 1, 2013 Dec 6, 2013 5 days 1 13/14 Intraarticular ligament crack initiation in ankle joint Oct 5, 2013 Oct 15, 2013 10 days 2 13/14 Abdominal Influenza Sep 8, 2013 Sep 11, 2013 3 days - 13/14 Aug 12, 2013 Aug 13, 2013 1 days - 12/13 muscular problems Apr 12, 2013 Apr 17, 2013 5 days 1 12/13 Strained Abdominal Muscle Apr 5, 2013 Apr 8, 2013 3 days 1 12/13 tear in the abductor muscle Feb 4, 2013 Feb 8, 2013 4 days - 12/13 Sep 11, 2012 Sep 14, 2012 3 days

this being his injury record in the last 2 seasons.

for someone who think GC is just a squad player, i sure you know more about talking bullshit than anyone on here.

Maybe some players wouldn't get hurt from the tackles Reus got, but they were not soft tackles. An ACL tear is unavoidable, players are more susceptible to injuries after an ACL tear because they put more pressure on other muscles. If you're putting MVg and Reus in the same boat as Diaby, Ramsey, Thiago, etc. You're crazy and there is no arguing with you.

[didierforever 7,349]

Maybe some players wouldn't get hurt from the tackles Reus got, but they were not soft tackles. An ACL tear is unavoidable, players are more susceptible to injuries after an ACL tear because they put more pressure on other muscles. If you're putting MVg and Reus in the same boat as Diaby, Ramsey, Thiago, etc. You're crazy and there is no arguing with you.

you do understand that the likes of diaby, wilshere are the extremes when you talk about "injury-prone". but its heart warming to read "players are more susceptible to injuries". see are not u getting there.

[Barbara 15,149]

let's just wish him the best recovery and better luck with tackles in the future?

He IS a Chelsea player after all and he seems just like a nice guy and I see a lot of quality and potential there.

I think that's something we can all agree. Injury prone or not, he's a Chelsea player, so let's just wish him the best.

And I hope it's lesson learned from this. Don't ever loan anyone to the shit that is Milan AC - unless their name is Fernando Torres.

[Viper22 2,418]

Injury prone - simply definition, a player who gets injuredquite frequently. Mvg has been available to play for a whole of what? 10 matches in the last 2 years? He is supposed to be a DM/Cm and susupposed to play I'm the most physical league in the world, and yet he gets injured every second match he plays or every time he comes in physical contact. Yea, it is a bullahit opinion to say that he ia injury prone and fragile. .

oh really? so a player who continously gets injured without playing any sufficient gametime in different areas of his body would not be classified as injury prone? great!! so from now on we ll start calling that plyer an MVG!!

injury prone = often sustaining injuries http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/injury-prone

dont think it has ANYTHING at all related to which part of the body or the same part!!!

but like you said, everyone is entitled to their wrong opinions.

playing in the dutch youth and dutch reserves and the dutch league requires the same level of physicality and rigours as playing in PL? same level of competitiveness? But I won't want to come between your delusions of grandeur!!!

He is not injury prone at all. He is a machine. Infact has he ever got injured? I don't remember!!! Also reus is not at all injury prone, he just "keeps getting injured".

Have I missed something here or are you seriously accusing a player who has been notably injured twice in his 5 year career as injury prone and comparing him to the walking broken body that is Diaby? I really hope i've misinterpreted this...

[didierforever 7,349]

Have I missed something here or are you seriously accusing a player who has been notably injured twice in his 5 year career as injury prone and comparing him to the walking broken body that is Diaby? I really hope i've misinterpreted this...

where have compared him to diaby? saying someone is injury prone = saying he is as bad as diaby?

he has had 3 injuries in the past 1 and a half year and has barely even been available to play football.

[WhatPhilosophy 4]

Video of Marco van Ginkel's most recent appearance for Milan.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,892]

Video of Marco van Ginkel's most recent appearance for Milan.

Quietly effective game by the looks of that. Especially enjoyed some of his first time passes. Not flashy but the correct pass, at the correct time, played with the correct weight. Very efficient.