Marco van Ginkel

[kiwi1691 255]

37 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Jose or not, it would have been great if we had buyback clauses for those two.

Jose clearly did not rate them, did not see them coming back. A buyback clause would lower the sale price of the players, if the manager doesn't want them it could be stupid to sell them cheaper with a buyback clause. 

[the wes 7,212]

7 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

Stop attacking the board to defend your mate Jose. 

its board job to put buyback clause on players not the manager by the way im a chelsea fan has for mourinho i have lost a lot of respect for jose and i hope he fails at utd 

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[Reddish-Blue 2,370]

On 5/29/2016 at 0:34 PM, Blue Armour said:

Jose or not, it would have been great if we had buyback clauses for those two.

Buy back clauses only work if the original transfer fee is low (below 15 million). 

I would much rather see Chelsea start using sell-on clauses with some of these youngsters, that way, we are guaranteed some money if the player lives up to their potential and earns a move to a big club. 

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

18 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Buy back clauses only work if the original transfer fee is low (below 15 million). 

I would much rather see Chelsea start using sell-on clauses with some of these youngsters, that way, we are guaranteed some money if the player lives up to their potential and earns a move to a big club. 

Sell on clauses, as with KDB for example, are exactly what we do because it amounts to pretty much the same thing as a buy back. In the whole history of football how many players can we name between us who have returned to their former club as a result of a buy-back clause being exercised? I say between us but I don't think I'm going to be much help to be honest.

Instead of being exercised, the buy back clause ends up being bought out by the purchasing club in any new move. This is what will happen with Morata if he goes to a third club this summer. Twitter and the media are full of stories of Madrid buying him back then selling him on. That won't happen. Whoever signs the young Spaniard will just pay his former club a fee in return for them waiving their rights.

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Following a disappointing first half of the season at Stoke City, Chelsea midfielder Marco van Ginkel rebounded at full force in the second half after switching his loan to eventual Eredivisie champions PSV Eindhoven. The 23-year-old contributed with eight goals in thirteen matches to the team's 23rd league title.Van Ginkel's contract with Chelsea ends in two years, and he believes it's decision-time at Cobham.

"It is still unclear what I am going to do. I need to report to Chelsea at some point in July and there is [a] new coach there; I need to know what he intends to do.""I am not feeling any pressure, I had a good half season here [in the Netherlands] and I feel fine. If I don't have a future in London, Chelsea would have to sell [me] as I would only have one year left on my contract after next season.""I had a good time at PSV, so a transfer is possible."-Marco van Ginkel; source: De Telegraaf via Inside Futbol

The talented midfielder, who recently made his full debut for the Dutch national team, arrived at Stamford Bridge in the summer of 2013, and looked ready to play a part in the Chelsea first-team. But his year was cut short in September, after an ACL injury suffered in just his fourth appearance.  It's taken him a couple years, but he looks to have fully recovered now and has once again proven to be a standout performer at Eredivisie level.

We once believed on the back of similar performances (at Vitesse) that he could be a part of Chelsea's first-team.  Do we believe that again?

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[ulvhedin 508]

So what is his future? Is there any chance he will replace Mikel as backup for Matic/Kante?

[mccg 1,528]

Should sell him , move on, give his chance to youth

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

On 05/07/2016 at 8:00 AM, ulvhedin said:

So what is his future? Is there any chance he will replace Mikel as backup for Matic/Kante?

I've seen nothing in his game which suggests that he can be a Chelsea player, and I can think of no reason, other than financial, why he should want to be a back up here. He should be allowed to move on as soon as it is sensible to do so.

[robsblubot 3,545]

disagree with the reasons above as I hardly think Mikel is a chelsea or any remotely top club player. However, the problem isn't so much quality, but characteristics. Ginkel looks like a player who does better a bit up in the field, unless he's been doing what asked and can play a more defensive role, in which case then he should def replace mikel.

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47 minutes ago, Robguima said:

disagree with the reasons above as I hardly think Mikel is a chelsea or any remotely top club player. However, the problem isn't so much quality, but characteristics. Ginkel looks like a player who does better a bit up in the field, unless he's been doing what asked and can play a more defensive role, in which case then he should def replace mikel.

If we wanted someone that could play the defensive backup role in midfield, we should have kept Romeu. 

Van Ginkel has quality but he wouldn't be able to cover for Cesc defensively. 

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2 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

If we wanted someone that could play the defensive backup role in midfield, we should have kept Romeu. 

Van Ginkel has quality but he wouldn't be able to cover for Cesc defensively. 

agreed, but we don't do that and haven't had adequate cover forever. The top clubs have no mikels in their rosters: only we, liverpool, and united do.

Matic had a poor season, did mikel provide adequate cover? How did we play? Hazard was subpar, so who stepped up? My point is that if we say we are ok with mikel coming on, and often like last season, then anything goes: ginkel and others could do such a role.

I'd prefer we had 2 similar players for every position (or at least cover) but that's not how the club is run.

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7 hours ago, Robguima said:

agreed, but we don't do that and haven't had adequate cover forever. The top clubs have no mikels in their rosters: only we, liverpool, and united do.

Matic had a poor season, did mikel provide adequate cover? How did we play? Hazard was subpar, so who stepped up? My point is that if we say we are ok with mikel coming on, and often like last season, then anything goes: ginkel and others could do such a role.

I'd prefer we had 2 similar players for every position (or at least cover) but that's not how the club is run.

We used to have cover for defence, midfield and attack (Ferreira could play RB/LB, Ramires was like a jack-of-all-trades midfielder & Kalou played his part as the backup winger/striker) until 2012/2013.

I feel the club was a bit short-sighted with the return of Mourinho.  Most of our potential squad depth was sold off to win one title in 3 seasons and now we're back to square one with another new manager. 

 

[mccg 1,528]

Hasn't travelled with 30 man squad to USA..probly means he is offski no loan ffs

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Problems?!

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On 10/07/2016 at 11:18 AM, Reddish-Blue said:

We used to have cover for defence, midfield and attack (Ferreira could play RB/LB, Ramires was like a jack-of-all-trades midfielder & Kalou played his part as the backup winger/striker) until 2012/2013.

I feel the club was a bit short-sighted with the return of Mourinho.  Most of our potential squad depth was sold off to win one title in 3 seasons and now we're back to square one with another new manager. 

 

I'm not a big lover of utility players.

I'd much rather have a player that has trained al his life for one position and he knows just what he is.

[Special Juan 27,456]

Basically he's fucked.

[mccg 1,528]

On 08/09/2016 at 8:04 PM, Special Juan said:

Basically he's fucked.

Is that a new diagnosis lol , it would be refreshing if every doctor was that blunt n basic. No luck that dude,just hope n pray Zouma dosn't have his karma or we will be even more cfcucked!