🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lewis Baker

[supporter 3,088]

Welp, I guess Baker is the next academy player to get lost in the loan system. This will be the first of several loans before he's sold/released. Right now the mood is 'impress here and he will definitely get a chance'. By the 5th or 6th loan it'll be 'well he clearly was never that good'.

And in the meantime there will be other players hyped up as 'THE one to finally break through since John Terry'...and then they'll go through the same process.

The Chelsea way

And how many of these players who have taken on loan have become big players references in the world of football?.

I do not know, but if they are so good I'm sure that Chelsea is not foolish enough to give a player who triumphs on another computer. I've only seen Courtois become a major player in the world of football, and although he returned to us and we had Cech, which is one of the best goalkeepers in the world.

I think you trust too much on young players, but I see none being a world reference of football. Only Courtois and he's here.

I think that mentality only young players of The Academy is a small team mentality, and we are Chelsea and we are one of the best teams in the world. In our team there is no time to give opportunities to anyone, if we do that very soon we would be losers, and I do not want that to happen. I prefer our current winning mentality that has made in the last 10 years we are one of the top 5 teams in the world With Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern and Manchester United.

[Styles 9,790]

Harry Kane had many loans including having to drop down to the Championship after flopping at Norwich now look at him. He could have given up and thought fuck this when Spurs signed Adebayor then Soldado instead of promoting him but he kept going and is now reaping the rewards.

Chalobah, McEachran, Kakuta etc got lost in the loan system because they didn't perform, these managers will only play them if they deserve to play.

Harry Kane got the chance to go back to his parent club and force his way into the team AFTER an unsuccessful loan. Do you honestly believe Harry Kane could come back to Chelsea after a bad loan and get some minutes? It would never happen no matter how talented he is and/or how hard he worked.

Unfortunately for our players an unsuccessful loan is almost a guarantee they have no future at the club. The loans can be bad for a plethora of reasons, but they will still be deemed not good enough and end up going out several more times.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Harry Kane got the chance to go back to his parent club and force his way into the team AFTER an unsuccessful loan. Do you honestly believe Harry Kane could come back to Chelsea after a bad loan and get some minutes? It would never happen no matter how talented he is and/or how hard he worked.

Unfortunately for our players an unsuccessful loan is almost a guarantee they have no future at the club. The loans can be bad for a plethora of reasons, but they will still be deemed not good enough and end up going out several more times.

Because Tottenham are shit.

[lionsden 4,689]

Welp, I guess Baker is the next academy player to get lost in the loan system. This will be the first of several loans before he's sold/released. Right now the mood is 'impress here and he will definitely get a chance'. By the 5th or 6th loan it'll be 'well he clearly was never that good'.

And in the meantime there will be other players hyped up as 'THE one to finally break through since John Terry'...and then they'll go through the same process.

The Chelsea way

It's a vicious and never ending cycle. We reinforce Einstein's definition of insanity on a yearly basis.

It will be RLC, solanke and Boga's turn in 2 season's time to get wasted on loan and just in time for Jay da silva, Tammy abraham and Kyle scott's "academy day"

[mccg 1,528]

Very disapointed Lewis didnt get A) Some game time in 1st half of season Now he has been shipped out and our fixture list is crazy and we need to rotate C) I'd like to see more of the young blues givin a chance ,Capital 1 cup we should have at least 3 on the field and 3 on the bench ,and FA cup games and Champion league games that we should win or dead rubbers. Ake , Ruben, Baker should have been used more in games especially CM to freshen up the midfield

[The Skipper 20,609]

Because Tottenham are shit.

Regardless of whether that is true or not, Kane is a great example as to why you shouldn't write someone off after a bad couple of loan spells.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Regardless of whether that is true or not, Kane is a great example as to why you shouldn't write someone off after a bad couple of loan spells.

They went to Kane after every other striker they had shit the bed repeatedly. If that's what you guys are considering as a legitimate shot at the Prem, well then every youth player we have has got a long wait ahead of them

[The Skipper 20,609]

They went to Kane after every other striker they had shit the bed repeatedly. If that's what you guys are considering as a legitimate shot at the Prem, well then every youth player we have has got a long wait ahead of them

Yup... They went to Kane... Instead of buying another striker.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Yup... They went to Kane... Instead of buying another striker.

They had no choice they couldn't buy another striker in november. Who would want to go there anyway?

[lionsden 4,689]

Regardless of whether that is true or not, Kane is a great example as to why you shouldn't write someone off after a bad couple of loan spells.

Ross Barkely is another one. Even those that are impressing on loan are not getting any look in and that's a big worry. This is attributed to the mentality that the jump from youth to playing first team football is so huge that those that impress in the championship and leagues around Europe are always dismissed with comments like "doing it at a club like Chelsea is a different matter altogether.

What's the point of sending them out on loan if the management have already made up their mind that impressing in a league or level they consider inferior to the premier league counts for absolutely nothing. You are just wasting this youngsters time under such circumstances. close the academy and sell them already.

It's an impossible mission trying to impress or convince someone with a "meh but can you do it at this level, I don't think so" mentality. These youngsters can impress all they want on loan, it won't change a thing.

[Tomo 21,751]

Harry Kane got the chance to go back to his parent club and force his way into the team AFTER an unsuccessful loan. Do you honestly believe Harry Kane could come back to Chelsea after a bad loan and get some minutes? It would never happen no matter how talented he is and/or how hard he worked.

Unfortunately for our players an unsuccessful loan is almost a guarantee they have no future at the club. The loans can be bad for a plethora of reasons, but they will still be deemed not good enough and end up going out several more times.

Fair enough Harry Kane was a bit of a bad example, however if our player's impress on loan they will keep getting higher loans until they are impossible to ignore, like with Tibo, rightly or wrongly they will need to hit that level out on loan to be a first teamer.

Where I think we could do better is use the decent products as squad player's like say Jack Cork, in fact he should have been one of the one's we promoted in 2010.

However I don't believe Jose is this youth hating maniac he is portrayed to be, the fact he has given a number of player's debuts shows he has an interest, I know on the outside it seems easy to give Solanke 20 minutes when were 5-0 up, but for the immediate interest it would have been easier to bring Salah on to build his fitness. Also in his last spell he had clear intentions to promote Hutch but the unfortunate injuries prevented that, and he started giving gsmes to Scott Sinclair (even threw him on against Arsenal when we needed another goal to stay in the title race) until he broke his metertarsal and by the time he recovered Jose was gone.

[Tomo 21,751]

Ross Barkely is another one. Even those that are impressing on loan are not getting any look in and that's a big worry. This is attributed to the mentality that the jump from youth to playing first team football is so huge that those that impress in the championship and leagues around Europe are always dismissed with comments like "doing it at a club like Chelsea is a different matter altogether.

What's the point of sending them out on loan if the management have already made up their mind that impressing in a league or level they consider inferior to the premier league counts for absolutely nothing. You are just wasting this youngsters time under such circumstances. close the academy and sell them already.

It's an impossible mission trying to impress or convince someone with a "meh but can you do it at this level, I don't think so" mentality. These youngsters can impress all they want on loan, it won't change a thing.

Tibo and even Sturridge to an extent show that great loans will be rewarded.

[Stats 7,142]

Tibo and even Sturridge to an extent show that great loans will be rewarded.

The only problem I have is that we have invested heavily on the youth academy and none of them are making the breakthrough. Courtois and Sturridge are good examples of how the loan system has worked for us but since we have one of the best youth academies in Europe it would be good to see at least one come through and be a major part of the team. This is what has not happened. With some of the talent we have in our youth teams it will be hugely disappointing to not see some of them make it through to the first team. Especially the likes of Boga and RLC.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

The only problem I have is that we have invested heavily on the youth academy and none of them are making the breakthrough. Courtois and Sturridge are good examples of how the loan system has worked for us but since we have one of the best youth academies in Europe it would be good to see at least one come through and be a major part of the team. This is what has not happened. With some of the talent we have in our youth teams it will be hugely disappointing to not see some of them make it through to the first team. Especially the likes of Boga and RLC.

But the club is still profiting overall from the investment.

[Stats 7,142]

But the club is still profiting overall from the investment.

We are but can you have pride in that? All the work our team from the youth set up put in to see these players not make it. Mourinho has even admitted the importance of having players come through.

[Tomo 21,751]

The only problem I have is that we have invested heavily on the youth academy and none of them are making the breakthrough. Courtois and Sturridge are good examples of how the loan system has worked for us but since we have one of the best youth academies in Europe it would be good to see at least one come through and be a major part of the team. This is what has not happened. With some of the talent we have in our youth teams it will be hugely disappointing to not see some of them make it through to the first team. Especially the likes of Boga and RLC.

Yeah but there is only so much the club can do if the player's don't have the commitment long term, this isn't just a problem with Chelsea but football in general.

I mean it's not like we haven't tried to integrate youth, we released experience to make way for youth in 2010, then it was pretty obvious quite early those player's weren't good enough so we had to burn out already ageing first teamers.

Breaking into a top squad isn't easy, you have to go through lots of hurdles to get there and even then it might not be enough.

Do I want a academy player(s) to make it here? Of course, however giving them vital squad places that they haven't proven they can cope with? Sorry we tried that once, and it messed us up to the point we were in transition for 4 years (if it weren't for the miracle of Munich god knows how long it would have took).

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

We are but can you have pride in that? All the work our team from the youth set up put in to see these players not make it. Mourinho has even admitted the importance of having players come through.

If you can come up with the names of three teams that are integrating youth players into their squad and winning trophies I will accept what you're saying.

This is a very high level our youth are trying to crack which is why so much investment is being made.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

'loaned out...' and then they all disappear.

[lionsden 4,689]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2903231/Chelsea-sent-30-players-loan-season-Lewis-Baker-s-switch-Sheffield-Wednesday-making-star-midfielder.html

This is shocking tbh. 30 players that's THIRTY players smh.

We should write a book titled developing youngsters the Chelsea way by Krusty the clown

[Styles 9,790]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2903231/Chelsea-sent-30-players-loan-season-Lewis-Baker-s-switch-Sheffield-Wednesday-making-star-midfielder.html

This is shocking tbh. 30 players that's THIRTY players smh.

We should write a book titled developing youngsters the Chelsea way by Krusty the clown

September 2014:

Lewis Baker is a full-time member of Jose Mourinho’s first team squad for the season ahead.

http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2014/09/academy-graduates-in-first-team-squad.html

0 minutes and then loaned out in January.

Full-time member of the first team squad!